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[2c-goinsane]

Letting 15-18mg of magnificent 4-aco-dmt fumarate set in at the moment. i must say i was pretty nervous administering it rectally(this also being my first time to administer a psychedelic that way). i wonder oh this will go compared to orally. i'll see how zeet goes

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^Hope that went well. At almost t+2 for oral 2c-e (no working scale now, much harder to eyeball oral doses than IV given duration and body load concerns...think my breakfast was too large. ) and 120mg dxm. Have another 120mg dxm for when/if I feel like it, I may or may not wish I dosed higher on the psychedelic. Still too come-up-y. Have a bottle of wine on hand, just had a small taste so far.

Am I the only one who always feels dehydrated/desires to drink lots of liquids on this stuff?

 

[Solipsis]

Have you already chosen a new scale?

Hope you have a great trip! 2C-E seems very interesting, I really want to explore it further next year.

I allowed myself to drink again for the first time in 4 months this weekend (planned all along). That has been nice, even though a meet up with a friend fell through... just watched a movie with my housemate, which was also fun. I made us Tom Kha Gai soup. I was looking forward to being able to drink again I must say. The first few gulps were really like lager commercials, like a refreshing relief. And you know how we have awesome beer in Holland.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^Haven't picked one out yet, figure I can put it off, I have about 2 or 3 uses of this material left, then I'll have no more psychs in my possession, and I've been sticking with booze/tobacco/caffeine pretty successfully for a year now anyways (though I have been considering trying to reconnect with the meth scene). So I find it difficult to justify the expenditure.

2C-E seems very interesting, I really want to explore it further next year.

It's a good one, I react very well to it, or find it more innately positive/gentle than the average person.

Hurm, I was too worried about GI discomfort and underdid it, I was planning for a bit more volatility, maybe the DXM is contributing to this lazy, gentle drifting feeling...(not a bad way to spend a day)

 

[Solipsis]

Meth scene? That sounds like a sketchy consideration - what are the pro's and cons ?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Pros - I have no desire to abuse it (if I use more than once in a month I feel like I'm overdoing it), gives me opportunity to socialize, and if I'm going to be around people I don't particularly care for (namely, everyone I know around here), it's more pleasant on stims. And really the tweakers were the most amicable lot of people I knew who engaged in ritual non-sobriety.

Actually let me type up where I am in general vis-a-vis drugs lately, since after my fast and my illness I've had 3-4 months of pretty much continual sobriety to re-evaluate *editing*

*ack* over-introspected, I'll make a longer post about this in the revelations inaction thread perhaps.

if your question was just meant simply, I want something else potent besides booze to mess with, and stimulants are the things I'm least tempted to abuse.

P.S.
This is blowing my mind! Just, gaaaah, listen to that~

 

[2c-goinsane]

^I'm jealous. I'm all out of 2ce, idk if i will be receiving more. i should have saved more of it when i had a good amount, i am a fan of the stuff same for 2ci. I want to try cactus soon its been so long since i have had a pea other than mdma, would also be my first time with mescaline when i go for the cacti.

rectal Acetylpsilocin went very well last night. i decided to take a good 2 hour walk once it started hitting nicely, the stars and moon was glowing like no other. words just doesn't do it justice. I wanted to just stop and stare obliviously but i would have looked like a total mad hatter, i was comfortable but i did think a lot of cars was cop cars then i would see the car clearly and no cop car then i would think shit if i did see a actual cop car i probably wouldn't have even been able to tell, lol. amazing visuals/headspace, this stuff is 1 of my new favs easily.

 

[phenethylo J]

Have a great trip never knows best. 2c-e is a very enjoyable drug been a while since I have done it. I definitely need to grab some more next time it is available.

Planning to mix 4-ho-det+ketamine tomorrow or the next day. I have a feeling this will be an amazing combo due to how well dmt+ketamine mix together. I am still debating the dose of 4-ho-det I should take. I have done it twice at 20mgs and 22mgs both were great doses that produced an amazing strong trip. I am wondering if I should take a little bit less like maybe 15mgs since I don't want to ketamine to get too overpowered by the 4-ho-det. I am considering maybe going for the hole if I am in the mood.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I'm jealous. I'm all out of 2ce, idk if i will be receiving more

Ironically, I've been jonesing for a good tryptamine ass kicking myself (I've said that like 5 times, but whatever). Don't mind putting it off for an indefinite period though. I probably won't be getting any more either, now that it's scheduled.

Have a great trip never knows best. 2c-e is a very enjoyable drug been a while since I have done it. I definitely need to grab some more next time it is available.

The trip went well, got some decent mental work done after all, and thankfully it's pretty easy to redirect your trip as you will with that one. I just wish the post trip stimulation wasn't so long lasting, didn't get to sleep until t+14.5 hours.

 

[SONN]

Opening the doors of perception can be extraordinary, forcing them open is dubious, and blowing the doors right of the hinge is a tricky commitment to make.

QFT. Poetic as fuck %) I actually love this


anyone who has experience with IV psyches, I imagine the rush to be rather incredible; quite possibly the most effective way to "blow the doors of the hinge." I understand that seeking out this experience is dubious behavior but when I read certain experience reports it sounds like something so beautifully mindblowing that I don't wanna die without at least trying it once.

for instance, I heard about one guy who IVed 40mg 2c-b and had a ++++ before he even pulled out the needle.

I read about the poeple who've IVed DMT and 4-aco-DMT and have had the most insane breakthroughs you can imagine...

so I guess my question is, when you're IVing psyches your obviously asking for a STRONG experience, is it worth it? would it make sense to start really low and do a few injections? (which would obviously lessen the rush and be less safe)

anyone have a lot of experience with this?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

so I guess my question is, when you're IVing psyches your obviously asking for a STRONG experience, is it worth it? would it make sense to start really low and do a few injections? (which would obviously lessen the rush and be less safe)

IME it's not just a difference in strength, but quality. The altered timeframe really makes it a different kind of trip. I am able to use a psych much more casually and recreationally with intravenous administration than with oral.

There isn't a rush, it just starts affecting you almost instantaneously (now MXE has a rush, but please don't IV that).

for instance, I heard about one guy who IVed 40mg 2c-b and had a ++++ before he even pulled out the needle.

++++ isn't dose determined...and I would not take that much personally.

would it make sense to start really low

Yes.

it sounds like something so beautifully mindblowing that I don't wanna die without at least trying it once.

I don't think it's especially worthwhile vs oral psychs. It's something that would be most appealing if you're in a relatively dark mental place...I don't have the link (someone put it up recently, I think), but there's some guide thing or quote from someone on erowid talking about the value of dosing low with psychs. They said that dosing low is uncomfortable and avoided by many since that's where you really have to deal with The Shadow, and that a lot of users choose to avert (or transcend) this by taking large doses. That's how it works with IVing, the intensity doesn't make a deeper trip, if anything, it is a less psychedelic (that is, mind expanding) experience. It's the entheogenic equivalent of fast food, comforting, convenient and enjoyable perhaps, but certainly not encouraging a healthy pneuma-psyche-soma relationship.

 

[pharmakos]

I don't have the link (someone put it up recently, I think), but there's some guide thing or quote from someone on erowid talking about the value of dosing low with psychs. They said that dosing low is uncomfortable and avoided by many since that's where you really have to deal with The Shadow, and that a lot of users choose to avert (or transcend) this by taking large doses.

that's from an article by Myron Stolaroff i believe. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/writings/stolaroff_using.shtml

Stolaroff was one of Shulgin's regular crew for testing new compounds. some of the stories in PiHKAL are undoubtedly about him. the names were changed in PiHKAL, though, and i haven't as of yet been able to figure out which stories are about him.

Stolaroff has also written two very good books on psychedelics, both of which are available on MAPS' website:

From Thanatos to Eros, 35 Years of Psychedelic Exploration
The Secret Chief: Conversations with a pioneer of the underground psychedelic therapy movement <-- he calls him "Jacob" in this book, but after "Jacob"'s death Stolaroff revealed that the book was about MDMA pioneer Leo Zeff

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^That's the one, I've been meaning to read his stuff properly, thank you.

 

[SONN]

I totally understand that it makes more sense to be as safe as possible when it comes to something as tricky as needles.
obviously a ++++ experience isn't dose dependent but I think most the time you need to be at a decently strong +++ dose.

basically the main reason I'm asking is because when I broke through on 4-aco-DMT it was the most intense thing i've ever done, and every trip report i've read of someone IVing it sounds like my experience x4. I basically want to IV it to 'dive right into the portal' and go back to that place instantaneously rather than take a huge oral dose and hope for the best. (i've taken bigger doses of 4-aco orally since my breakthrough but they were actually less intense, and it was months afterward so tolerance wasn't a factor)

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I basically want to IV it to 'dive right into the portal' and go back to that place instantaneously rather than take a huge oral dose and hope for the best.

It should be effective for that.

 

[effingcustie]

when I broke through on 4-aco-DMT it was the most intense thing i've ever done, and every trip report i've read of someone IVing it sounds like my experience x4

ive never used needles and dunno if i will, but if i did i'd love to try IV 4-aco-dmt, all the reports i've read of it sound pretty amazing

 

[Cyanoide]

Hi everyone, long time no see.

I've been a benzo addict for 9 years. I started tapering from 3 mg clonazepam / day this summer. The tapering went quite well until I started using alcohol and to a lesser degree stimulants. After a nasty Ethylphenidate comedown I started drinking and unfortunately couldn't stop. First I drank beer 24/7 but as tolerance grew I had to switch to vodka. I was even drunk at work and at some point my co-workers and clients started suspecting me. So my boss sent me to a doctor for evaluation. My blood alcohol level at work was 2%, but 4% when I drank at home.

In the short time I drank I managed to:
- Lose my job
- Lose my flat
- Lose my partner
- Destroy my benzo tapering

The doctor I first saw sent me to a detox center for alcohol. I was there for 3 days until I got sent to a hospital (the only hospital in this country exclusively for addicts) for benzo detox. I was in hospital for 7 weeks and got through benzo withdrawal, which was hell on earth. Several times I thought I'd quit.

Last sunday I got out of hospital. It was scary because it was comforting being in hospital. So 3 hours after I got out I drank 2 bottles of vodka. I had been at my parents place because I didn't wan't to be alone right now. I found 2 bottles of vodka that belonged to my dad and drank them. And got caught. I sweared I never do it again.

And so on Tuesday I again used Ethylphenidate and took 5 mg clonazepam for the comedown. I'd also taken 350 mg quetiapine. Stumbling around on 5 mg clonazepam (with no tolerance anymore) and 350 mg quetiapine was hard, I couldn't walk straight, stumbled into walls and had problems speaking. So, I got caught again after my mother saw me in that shape. She also found my bag with Ethylphenidate.

So I managed to relapse 2 times in 3 days after getting out of hospital. And now I have to go to detox again next week because my relapses.

How fucking stupid can a human be?

 

[2002Tii]

How fucking stupid can a human be?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."-Albert Einstein

For what it's worth, I wish you the best of luck and hope that everything goes well.

 

[iwish]

Hi everyone, long time no see.

I've been a benzo addict for 9 years. I started tapering from 3 mg clonazepam / day this summer. The tapering went quite well until I started using alcohol and to a lesser degree stimulants. After a nasty Ethylphenidate comedown I started drinking and unfortunately couldn't stop. First I drank beer 24/7 but as tolerance grew I had to switch to vodka. I was even drunk at work and at some point my co-workers and clients started suspecting me. So my boss sent me to a doctor for evaluation. My blood alcohol level at work was 2%, but 4% when I drank at home.

In the short time I drank I managed to:
- Lose my job
- Lose my flat
- Lose my partner
- Destroy my benzo tapering

The doctor I first saw sent me to a detox center for alcohol. I was there for 3 days until I got sent to a hospital (the only hospital in this country exclusively for addicts) for benzo detox. I was in hospital for 7 weeks and got through benzo withdrawal, which was hell on earth. Several times I thought I'd quit.

Last sunday I got out of hospital. It was scary because it was comforting being in hospital. So 3 hours after I got out I drank 2 bottles of vodka. I had been at my parents place because I didn't wan't to be alone right now. I found 2 bottles of vodka that belonged to my dad and drank them. And got caught. I sweared I never do it again.

And so on Tuesday I again used Ethylphenidate and took 5 mg clonazepam for the comedown. I'd also taken 350 mg quetiapine. Stumbling around on 5 mg clonazepam (with no tolerance anymore) and 350 mg quetiapine was hard, I couldn't walk straight, stumbled into walls and had problems speaking. So, I got caught again after my mother saw me in that shape. She also found my bag with Ethylphenidate.

So I managed to relapse 2 times in 3 days after getting out of hospital. And now I have to go to detox again next week because my relapses.

How fucking stupid can a human be?

One morning you will wake up and realise you're sick of suffering. After that it will be easy.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

stuff

That sucks, but don't beat yourself up over it (it's easier to justify chemical solace when in a miserable, self-loathing state of mind). After using for 9 years you shouldn't expect to get on track right away, the benzos had become a part of psychological/physiological make up, and it will take time to repair the void in your infrastructure left by them. You can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs, as they say.

If you'll forgive me for stating the obvious:

Are you seeing a psychiatrist or anything concurrently with the detox? If not it might be helpful.. It's not stupidity, we do these things for a reason. Also, if stims trigger GABAergic abuse, you need to stop using them too. We have a few former benzo addicts 'round these parts who can probably give more useful advice.

Hang in there man, and try to take some you time (I was going to say outside in the sun, but you're in Northern Europe, right? So that's out).