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What happened to the llama?

Dude needs to cool his jets.

Killing the cuddly vibe in ED's cuddle puddle is something I don't like to see, and I think it's in pretty poor taste and a loss for EDers.

And when he has problems with mods he needs to have a civilized, private discussion with an Admin.

All in all, just needs to calm down, respect the lovey vibe in some threads and gain a general respect for other people and not degenerate into flaming when opinions differ.
 
Judging by the comments of a number of users I think it'd be a darn interesting combo to explore (though I myself would be more curious about combining an amp with a 4-sub-tryptamine).
+ Polywhirl's dexedrine+LSD question (which I think can be extended to most 5-HT psychs):

My last deep psychedelic experience was with about 35-40mg of 2C-D and about 15mg of racemic amphetamine. After hearing the speed/2C-D combo was really fun I thought I'd try it. Setting was a place to myself down south, away from home, safe, rather comfy. Set was the sense of a somewhat recent, dramatic loss of very long relationship (reason why I left home and went south). I had a lot on my mind but I'm a generally optimistic person by nature and was just hangin out, in a not unhappy mood.

I thought the trip was going to be a nice amp lift with some psychedelic power being put behind it, getting a good body high, etc.

Well, the trip started like a mushroom trip and all those thoughts just started spinning, digging deep, forcing me to deal with and think about things I didn't want to think about. I let it come, and let the trip happen, it opened me up and made me deal with things, making me feel much better afterwards.

I'd say amps just make psychedelics stronger, they help bring out any tensions or anxieties for the psychedelic to grab onto and start digging. If you're free from anxiety and on top of the world to start with, doing something fun, I would imagine it would make the trip a lot more energetic and fun.
 
whenever i think of the psychedelic+amphetamine combo i remember this erowid trip report i read once upon a time

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34974 "An Appreciation of Retail Therapy," 2C-T-21 + Amphetamine

copied here for your convenience though:

Mantaraydrink said:
0:00 8mg, 2C-T-21, oral
0:00 10mg, amphetamine sulphate, oral
0:30 half a spliff’s worth, cannabis, smoked


I’ve noticed that I do seem to have a habit, once having tried a psychedelic, of exploring how amphetamine taken in conjunction, changes the experience. This stems from a handful of experiences of taking amphetamine with LSD, psilocybin and cannabis in my late teens/early twenties. I’d heard rumours that speed would “straighten your head out” if you were tripping. How far from the truth that was; it actually pushes the psychedelic into a much more bizarre realm (I found amphetamine/psilocybin, when taken in solution – mushroom tea with a bit of speed dissolved in it – is a good preparatory exercise in preparing for a first DMT experience). Anyway, since then, I’ve developed a method for testing the safety of amphetamine in conjunction with a psychedelic. First, have a record of your pulse rate and blood pressure for a fixed, known dose of amphetamine (I use 5mg), taking readings every 15 mins for 2-3 hours. Then (a few days later to prevent tolerance skewing results), try another 5mg with between 5-15% of a mild dose of the psychedelic in question. If your b.p. or pulse rate increases by more than 20%, best to not try any speed with a full dose: other than that, increase cautiously (if no pharmaceutical prep i.e. a known dose, then “street” speed needs to be recrystallized a couple of times before using to give reliable data)

Back with 2C-T-21; on it’s own, 10mg, felt slightly like the effects noticed during first few days of taking an SSRI combined with a non-descript psychedelic feel. I must admit to feeling a slight disappointment after my first experience, so set about investigating if it would be OK with amphetamine. So eventually, the day’s here:

13:00 ( T +0:00 )
Consumed the 2C-T-21 and amphetamine in the same capsule. Had consumed about 200g of yoghurt for breakfast at 09:00, only liquids since then.

T + 1:00
Can feel beginnings of something, but still vague and undefined. At this point, I decided to smoke some bud to pre-empt any nausea that might start.

T + 1:15
Feel very warm and comfortable, and decide to go to supermarket to get a few essentials (bread, milk and the never ending quest for more cat food). Smoke a bit more, then head out. Christ, the sun feels nice, in fact so nice that I have to suppress the urge to keep my eyes closed while walking.

T + 1:30
Get to supermarket, get basket and smile at everyone as I begin to move past shelves full of wonderful things. Even the music they normally play has improved (today’s play list – Kinks; Badfinger; Thunderclap Newman etc), so by now (paraphrasing Hunter S. Thomson, about ether) I’m grinning like the village idiot from some Victorian Irish novel. I am filled with the urge to buy treats for my partner and our cats. The cats get some organic, shrimp flavoured dried biscuits, and some extra virgin olive oil for my wife. I realize I am in a different frame of mind as I spend some 15 mins trying to select the oil I think she would like best (15 seconds is more the norm for me), but feel quite pleased when I eventually decide on one.
The 2C-T-21/amphetamine/cannabis combo is not going to give you any epiphanies, but everything is soooo nice.

T + 2:00
Finish shopping and start good-natured conversation with girl on checkout. This combo has a degree of warm sociability that I have only before encountered from MDMA and the start of AMT. Even so, there is no definite peak to this, just a very broad plateau where it’s difficult to pinpoint any stages normally encountered with psychedelics. I decide to walk back to my house the scenic route (my town has a big park with a river running through it). Colours seem much brighter, but there is no visual distortion other than a slight semblance of trails from objects in motion (it’s more like the thought of trails, rather than actually seeing any)

T + 2:50
Eventually get back home, everything still pretty much the same. Definitely does not lend itself to producing insights, but it does allow me to enjoy all of the little things in life, that normally would have gone by unnoticed. In those terms, it does seem a bit like IAP, but also distinct from it in other ways. I start unpacking, and realize that although I only went for milk, bread etc, that I have managed to spend £27, but it did feel good. At this point I think, “is this the buzz that some people get from going out shopping?”. If it is, I can now understand why it’s called retail therapy.

T + 7:00
It’s now 7pm and I can still feel the initial warm feeling, although it is much weaker now. Eating was exquisite; normally psychedelics destroy my appetite, so this is a bit of a first in that it actually worked with the cannabis in producing a bout of the “munchies”, but with the emphasis is on variety rather than quantity.

I do feel myself agreeing with Shulgin in that it is primarily a mood enhancer, rather than a true psychedelic, but don’t think any less of it for all that. From what I’ve got from it, I would reckon on it being one of the best mood-enhancers as it has a bit of everything, but no one property stands out. As it produced no real body load issues, I would like to try it in the 14-18mg range, only not quite yet; I’m quite happy with how it feels at the moment, and that’s enough for now.
 
Recommend psychedelic for 3 to 5 hour duration ?
Was looking at the 2C's, but some are too stimulating, not interesting enough or rather long duration.
 
look intro tryptamines! they are 3-5 hours long and can be quite wild...


anyone else getting a bit too aften to the server busy error?
 
Recommend psychedelic for 3 to 5 hour duration ?
Was looking at the 2C's, but some are too stimulating, not interesting enough or rather long duration.

If you mean a good solid trip for that time and a few hours around that for coming up/coming down (e.g. dilated pupils aren't an issue) I recommend mushie tea. I find it makes the plateau shorter, but it's still a good ride. Obviously if you start going 3 grams+ I would expect it to last a little longer. I find the main trip lasts about 4-5 hours this way.
 
No, looking for something among the lines of 1 hour come up, 2 tot 3 hour plateau and then comedown + after effects. I'd really like to mushroom, but they're pretty rare here.

I was looking in tryptamines, 4-AcO-DMT seems perfect, but pretty rare available online. Maybe 5-MeO-DiPT is good...
 
just keep looking mate, im sure you ll find what you are looking for. personally im not a fan of 5-meo tryptamines, but thats just my brain and how it reacts... i like all 4-sub tryptamines though...
 
Yay I bought a ticket to the Psychedelics Symposium/Conference by the OPEN foundation, right here in the Netherlands.. in october. :D

Hey prprsox, you mod of Drug Studies? I didn't know that man, awesome congratulations! Also I need to talk to you about something dude, something you need to know. Gonna send you a mail.
 
My experimentation and self-medication with my mental health took a backlash again because of Noopept, after initially lowering my anxiety, raised my anxiety insanely. To the point of me getting some minor panic attacks. The anxiety has been insanely high at times. Basically I'm a kind of guinea pig, testing just about everything besides SSRI's since I don't want to go back to them. Ever. So I started taking Inositol, and it is very effective stuff! I'm now taking 12 g/day split in 3 doses and it is at least, if not even more, effective for anxiety than any SSRI/SNRI/TeCas I've ever used. And the side effects are not bad (high doses are well tolerated by humans), Inositol is quite anxiolytic at high doses and I feel some brain fog and tiredness, feeling almost stoned. But it doesn't feel bad, and those symptoms disappear quite quickly. I definitely recommend trying Inositol if you're suffering from anxiety, depression, panic disorder, GAD or OCD. It has been clinically studied and its effectiveness has been scientifically proven in various tests. Also, no withdrawal like SSRI's have. Plus no dangerous interaction with any drug (I have no idea why there are some who say it causes serotonin syndrome with SSRI's, it's incorrect as Inositol have no effects that could induce it with SSRI's). My only concern in the long run is that such high doses of Inositol puts quite a strain on the kidneys, and there's a risk of getting kidney stones. However in the studies no physically harmful effects have been detected.

I've also discovered the great properties of L-Theanine. High doses feel like a z-drug, and are as effective as benzos for anxiety/fear. And it puts you to a good night's sleep too. As it raised the levels of dopamine, even high doses are not as cloudy and sedating as benzos mentally (as you probably know, a rise in the levels of dopamine increases alertness, focus etc). Physically it's actually hard to say which is more effective. Clonazepam kind of beats all other benzos as it has such powerful anticonvulsive and muscle-relaxing effects. But other benzos, damn, I'd say 1g+ of L-Theanine is physically more relaxing (the GABA levels are increased so much). Speaking of GABA, I've ordered it too. My aim is to quit clonazepam and only use Inositol combined with GABA.

I've tapered from 3 to 2 mg clonazepam. Honestly I haven't had any real bad symptoms. It's the Noopept that made me feel miserable. Benzo WD can be handled quite effectively with slow tapering and if it feels rough, Propranolol and Lyrica are wonderfully effective. Not saying it's easy, far from it, but it hasn't been that bad. But I know how bad it can get as I failed when trying to quit diazepam (too fast tapering) a few years ago. It was unbearable.

I must admit I've taken some stimulants the last days. Or rather a stimulant, I have some EPH again. It helps with some of the mind fog I get from Inositol, but as I have an addictive mind it's not easy to only take small doses for mental focus. Just a little too much and the euphoria comes, and then it's just too hard to not continue. The first time I had EPH I used it 8 days straight, from morning until night. Knocked myself out with Seroquel every night and took EPH all day long, at work, at my parent's place, wherever I was. I lost my sense of smell for a few days, my nose hair was gone and the tissue inside my left nostril had turned white. It's so corrosive but feels so much better snorted than orally. Fortunately my nostrils recovered quite quickly. My hands looked like when it's extremely cold, there was skin cracking and my hands had taken an almost white colour. My hands were freezing although it was warm outside (this must have been due to the continuous vascoconstriction). It's really nasty stuff it if it get out of control, but I need some light stimulation now. The problem is to keep it light and only for mental focus. I had quite much MPA (the best stim for mental focus I've ever tried) too, but gave it away as a part of my decision to leave all stims. But, it seems there are moments I need stims.
 
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I just saw something with a man called alex jones on youtube (you might have heard of him)... He is utterly insane. Really, I'm just baffled over how insane he is
" they are out there" "we will get them" etc. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_diem to want the day, was the "original", there sure is somewhat of a differince between to want and seize something. How does one "want something"
 
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you may wish to re-read that article.....

@cyanoide: i have also been very pleased with L-theanine. i have been taking 200 - 400 mg when i begin to feel overwhelmed with stress
gonna try a high dose for sleeping as you suggest. i can't sleep for shit sometimes. my mind is always racing.
 
The only downside with L-Theanine is you develop a tolerance to it rapidly, especially with high doses. I don't recommend taking it continuously, especially high doses, since it loses it loses its effects quite quickly. If you e.g. take 1 g for sleep, 200-400 mg will have little to no effect the next day.
 
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