☮ Social ☮ [PD Social General Talk Thread] Observation Tank for Fractallized Redundancy Modules

[Xorkoth]

Oh man, last night was great. Me and the band with the genius guitar player (Adam) were getting together to practice. They just got back with my bass friend (Robbie, also the bass player of the band) from Hulaween in Florida, a music festival. I wasn't able to go due to short notice but Adam knows a lot of people in that festival scene and got them all free tickets. They went with the intention of playing an informal show in the camping area by plugging into someone's trailer or something, which they did and ended up with like 300 people totally getting down. Afterwards they got all kinds of compliments, one person said it was their favorite set from everyone playing music there for the whole weekend (they played on the last day). Then the booking agent for Dumpstafunk told them that she really wanted to book us to open for them and Booty Band (Yo Mama's Big fat Booty Band) in the next few months. She's supposed to be getting in touch with us. I found that out last night when I met back up with them, pretty fucking cool.

Then we ended up not being able to practice because the bar we have for a practice space (which we're basically the house band for at this point and play shows there regularly, and she lets us practice/do mini informal shows whenever they don't have something else booked) was having open mic night, there was a miscommunication and so we packed all our shit up and went there only to have to turn around. But what we did instead was go play at Tuesday night funk jam. We're playing a day festival on Friday with Telekinetic Walrus and Ryan Barber, and he was there so he got us right up there and even got us introduced as a band (the funk jam is notorious for being hard to get up there for). The house band is led by the keyboard player from The Fritz (link to a Youtube video), who's an inspiration of mine and lives in the town I live in. I went up and had never played on either of his keyboards and he was so cool, he showed me how enough that I could play and was super nice and supportive and told me good luck. We played and it went so well, it reinforces how important it is for me to get a good keyboard with synth and a good organ. My keyboard kinda sucks except the piano sounds good, so I use piano mostly. it actually works in my other band but this band is like hard rock/funk festival music led by a musical phenom, so I desperately need to up my game. At the end of the 2 songs we played (unfortunately not enough time to really jam them out, just short jams), we even got plugged for the day festival on Friday.

Afterwards, we got SO many compliments, particularly Adam which is nothing new, part of playing in this band is accepting that Adam is the star here and I just feel great to be a part of it. I mean people were freaking out, we got a photographer who photographs Grace Potter and others who took photos of us playing offering to give them us for free and asking if we would let him photograph for us sometime. We had people telling us about how they wanted us to play other places. The highlight for me was when a keyboard player from another band, I forget which one but they play around regionally, complimenting me and conversing with me. I told him about myself and that I had classical training when I was younger but didn't play for 12 years and started back up less than a year ago. He had the same path except he got started again a number of years ago from now. He was really impressed and told me to keep at it because I was doing great and I'm gonna "slay" in a while. That's how I feel about it too but it was really nice to hear it from someone else who's been there.

Feeling good about music. The only issue is that I am in 2 bands and I have band practices 6 days a week, not to mention shows (well a show will take the place of a practice so I have band obligations 6 days a week). That leaves 1 single day of the week to spend in other ways, Sundays, which I certainly will always spend with my girlfriend. But things have picked up since she's been out of town. I'm using the opportunity to focus really hard on music since other than my job I have nothing else I care to regularly spend time on except for her. I'm really happy to be spending this much time on it, it doesn't feel like too much to me, and it's how I will keep getting better fast, and how we can keep getting more opportunities. But 1 day a week isn't really enough to see your girlfriend. I mean I can get done with practices at 9 (at least for the other band who is a lot more regimented and less wild) and go home and see her, but that's like, probably not enough for her, I would guess. I dunno, we'll see how it goes when she gets back. I certainly don't want to lose her but I am not going to quit any of my music stuff. Not exactly sure what I'm gonna do about that.

The other thing is that as this band with Adam keeps picking up steam (and it certainly is), me and Robbie may have less time for the other band. Some egos are a little bruised already (well the drummer's anyway) because originally he was told he going to be the drummer of this band and he introduced us to Adam, and now he really hates Adam and that band's drummer because Adam went back on his word to him and he wasn't the drummer after all. But Adam thought his drummer (also his best friend in the world) wasn't coming back when he went to New York, but then he decided to come back. I understand his feelings at the time, but it's been almost a year and it's causing some friction, like he gets all huffy if we even talk about it at all, and if we start regularly cancelling practices because of obligations with that band it is going to be a real issue. And the thing is, I think this band with Adam has the most potential, and also Adam really puts it all out there, every day all he thinks about is music and he plays every chance he can get, whereas with the other band we have played a few shows (we have one on the 9th, it'll be our third) but mostly people just talk about it. Half the members only play during practices and I don't know if they even think about it much outside of that, but me and Robbie and/or the other guys from this band get together whenever we have free time and just jam together and try to play music as much as possible, and play at funk jam, and so on. But, the other band allows me a lot more creative freedom personally, and the styles of music we play are more unique and varied. My favorite things I've done are with that band. In that band I take a big lead a lot of the time and in this band, Adam is always the leader. Over time I'll be able to hang with him a little more but it's always going to be the Adam show to some extent, and that's how that band SHOULD be, IMO. So it's a bit of a quandry. Or, it isn't yet, but I predict it will be. And that band is made up of all my best friends in town so I don't want any decisions that might be made to impact important friendships.

EDIT: You guys should listen to that link to a set by The Fritz in the 2nd paragraph, those guys are amazing.

 

[Bagseed]

I just attended a lecture by Yanis Varoufakis at the University of Economics Vienna. very interesting stuff. I will share the recording when it is online.

 

[SKL]

It seems safe enough when dentists do it, how bad could it really be if you did it right and smart? I personally wouldn't do it unless it was professionally set up, but I could foresee being in that situation some day. Crazier things have happened.

Using a mask is not wise, period.

Well, the dentist, for obvious reasons, doesn't use a mask that covers both the mouth and the nose, they use something like this:

But they still use a mixture of both nitrous oxide and oxygen, notice the blue (N2O) and green (O2) tanks, and the mechanism above them which is used to alter the ratio of one to another, which often has to be done on the fly during the procedure. You won't be able to do this at home, thus running a quite significant risk of lethal hypoxia. Every now and then you hear about people getting killed doing stupid things with nitrous, such as hooking it up pure to a mask, or, notoriously and commonly told, opening a tank in a car, etc.

Spoiler: Technical stuff

In dental anaesthesia with nitrous, as you'll remember if you've ever had it, the patient doesn't go completely under with total amnesia, etc., and in fact is impossible to achieve anaesthesia sufficient for modern expectations of surgical anaesthesia with N2O alone: nitrous oxide has an MAC (minimum alveolar concentration), i.e. the minimal amount of the gas being inhaled needed to induce anaesthesia, of 104%, whereas desflurane, a more modern anaesthetic, is only 6%, but I digress. Inhaling 100% anaesthetic is obviously lethal. Room air has a FiO2 (fraction of inspired oxygen) of about 20%, patients on supplemental oxygen get more. So you need to ensure that you are getting at a minimum 20% oxygen or you will have problems. Indeed, 20% is not going to be enough because nitrous doesn't stick with the air and is heavier, thus it accumulates.

For medical use 50/50 concentration is standard. Even using a dentist-type mask over the nose with pure N2O and relying on mouth-breathing would run a very high risk of hypoxia especially as you go deeper into the effects of the nitrous, so even dentists use a mix of N2O and O2. Using a face-covering mask would guarantee lethality as nitrous oxide accumulates, leading you to breathe pure nitrous oxide, you will be intoxicated enough to notice and die within minutes, and you will not be able to notice what's going on until it's too late.

Use of a nasal cannula may be possible, now that I think about it. it can deliver between 2-6L (FiO2 21-44% ) of oxygen per minute, but as nitrous oxide supplants air, this is still potentially dangerous, even figuring that the dental mask is a 50/50 mix yielding an FiO2 of 50%, again as nitrous is heaver and can accumulate, the risk of hypoxia is still there, although less so than a mask with a higher flow.

So leave the use of masks to the professionals. The risks are too high. Even use under supervision of one of your peers is probably not a good idea.

And, no, the Blue Velvet technique isn't practical either.

He takes the mask on and off to huff a dose, but then what? All the nitrous will rapidly be gone. And the movie shows him ambulating freely, driving, shooting somebdoy, etc. Not very likely.

 

[Kaleida]

I think we're already on the same page here, man. I'm talking about using it with that kind of setup with oxygen and everything under professional supervision. I'm sure I can find the opportunity easily one day if I really want it.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I'm sure I can find the opportunity easily one day if I really want it.

I really don't understand how many people would be sure of this. I certainly find it far fetched.

 

[SKL]

OK, cool. Wasn't trying to rant at you or anything, your first post said you'd want to do it smart, but sometimes I like to go into excessive detail on things

Such a set up is probably possible, although you'd need some equipment and biomedical engineering knowledge both going beyond the average layperson, and also need a friend to help and monitor the actual induction and maintenance of the altered state. Item number one, though, maintain pulse oximeter readings throughout. Item two, find a way to have a measurable and adjustable therapeutic mix of N2O/O2, including the ability to administer 100% oxygen. I wouldn't want to go into any detail about how to do such things in a public context, though, as less careful people might be listening.

To everyone, the HR message is to stick to balloons. Large ones if you must. :D

 

[Kaleida]

I really don't understand how many people would be sure of this. I certainly find it far fetched.

Really, it's just that I've already had so many opportunities in life that seemed even more far fetched than getting to use a legal drug in a way it's normally used, even if that requires a professional setup. In the grand scheme of things, it actually seems like it'd be a fairly easy find to me.

OK, cool. Wasn't trying to rant at you or anything, your first post said you'd want to do it smart, but sometimes I like to go into excessive detail on things

Such a set up is probably possible, although you'd need some equipment and biomedical engineering knowledge both going beyond the average layperson, and also need a friend to help and monitor the actual induction and maintenance of the altered state. Item number one, though, maintain pulse oximeter readings throughout. Item two, find a way to have a measurable and adjustable therapeutic mix of N2O/O2, including the ability to administer 100% oxygen. I wouldn't want to go into any detail about how to do such things in a public context, though, as less careful people might be listening.

To everyone, the HR message is to stick to balloons. Large ones if you must. :D

No worries, harm reduction is always welcome.

Yeah, it wouldn't be me who's knowledgable enough to work it, I'd have to make friends in the field. Specifically, I wouldn't even want it from anyone who hasn't already done it in a medical context... so hopefully they'll already know what they're doing by then!

Nothing wrong with balloons though. I personally think even after trying that setup I would still like them better, but that's because the lingering body connection is one of my favorite things about deep nitrous states.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I just attended a lecture by Yanis Varoufakis at the University of Economics Vienna. very interesting stuff. I will share the recording when it is online.

Dude, that's awesome. One of my favorite things about being in one of the better universities for international relations majors was the conferences they had.

Anyway, had 1400mg gabapentin today, followed by herb and cheapass malt liquor (2 cans of 211). I'm feelin' well.

EDIT: You guys should listen to that link to a set by The Fritz in the 2nd paragraph, those guys are amazing.

I concur, they're pretty darned good.

 

[Bagseed]

^ yeah it was pretty cool, mainly because he managed to talk about the debt crisis in the Eurozone in a very straightforward way. I actually don't study at that University, but the lecture was open to the public (but one needed a reservation to attend).

funny morning. missed the first lecture (because of too much kratom last night), rushed on my bike to university, to find out that the second one won't take place and the next lecture would habe been two hours after that. so I went back home, because I wasn't up for waiting that long, and didn't even have something to study with me. ;<

 

[jammin83]

Oh man, last night was great. Me and the band with the genius guitar player (Adam) were getting together to practice. They just got back with my bass friend (Robbie, also the bass player of the band) from Hulaween in Florida, a music festival. I wasn't able to go due to short notice but Adam knows a lot of people in that festival scene and got them all free tickets. They went with the intention of playing an informal show in the camping area by plugging into someone's trailer or something, which they did and ended up with like 300 people totally getting down. Afterwards they got all kinds of compliments, one person said it was their favorite set from everyone playing music there for the whole weekend (they played on the last day). Then the booking agent for Dumpstafunk told them that she really wanted to book us to open for them and Booty Band (Yo Mama's Big fat Booty Band) in the next few months. She's supposed to be getting in touch with us. I found that out last night when I met back up with them, pretty fucking cool.

Then we ended up not being able to practice because the bar we have for a practice space (which we're basically the house band for at this point and play shows there regularly, and she lets us practice/do mini informal shows whenever they don't have something else booked) was having open mic night, there was a miscommunication and so we packed all our shit up and went there only to have to turn around. But what we did instead was go play at Tuesday night funk jam. We're playing a day festival on Friday with Telekinetic Walrus and Ryan Barber, and he was there so he got us right up there and even got us introduced as a band (the funk jam is notorious for being hard to get up there for). The house band is led by the keyboard player from The Fritz (link to a Youtube video), who's an inspiration of mine and lives in the town I live in. I went up and had never played on either of his keyboards and he was so cool, he showed me how enough that I could play and was super nice and supportive and told me good luck. We played and it went so well, it reinforces how important it is for me to get a good keyboard with synth and a good organ. My keyboard kinda sucks except the piano sounds good, so I use piano mostly. it actually works in my other band but this band is like hard rock/funk festival music led by a musical phenom, so I desperately need to up my game. At the end of the 2 songs we played (unfortunately not enough time to really jam them out, just short jams), we even got plugged for the day festival on Friday.

Afterwards, we got SO many compliments, particularly Adam which is nothing new, part of playing in this band is accepting that Adam is the star here and I just feel great to be a part of it. I mean people were freaking out, we got a photographer who photographs Grace Potter and others who took photos of us playing offering to give them us for free and asking if we would let him photograph for us sometime. We had people telling us about how they wanted us to play other places. The highlight for me was when a keyboard player from another band, I forget which one but they play around regionally, complimenting me and conversing with me. I told him about myself and that I had classical training when I was younger but didn't play for 12 years and started back up less than a year ago. He had the same path except he got started again a number of years ago from now. He was really impressed and told me to keep at it because I was doing great and I'm gonna "slay" in a while. That's how I feel about it too but it was really nice to hear it from someone else who's been there.

Feeling good about music. The only issue is that I am in 2 bands and I have band practices 6 days a week, not to mention shows (well a show will take the place of a practice so I have band obligations 6 days a week). That leaves 1 single day of the week to spend in other ways, Sundays, which I certainly will always spend with my girlfriend. But things have picked up since she's been out of town. I'm using the opportunity to focus really hard on music since other than my job I have nothing else I care to regularly spend time on except for her. I'm really happy to be spending this much time on it, it doesn't feel like too much to me, and it's how I will keep getting better fast, and how we can keep getting more opportunities. But 1 day a week isn't really enough to see your girlfriend. I mean I can get done with practices at 9 (at least for the other band who is a lot more regimented and less wild) and go home and see her, but that's like, probably not enough for her, I would guess. I dunno, we'll see how it goes when she gets back. I certainly don't want to lose her but I am not going to quit any of my music stuff. Not exactly sure what I'm gonna do about that.

The other thing is that as this band with Adam keeps picking up steam (and it certainly is), me and Robbie may have less time for the other band. Some egos are a little bruised already (well the drummer's anyway) because originally he was told he going to be the drummer of this band and he introduced us to Adam, and now he really hates Adam and that band's drummer because Adam went back on his word to him and he wasn't the drummer after all. But Adam thought his drummer (also his best friend in the world) wasn't coming back when he went to New York, but then he decided to come back. I understand his feelings at the time, but it's been almost a year and it's causing some friction, like he gets all huffy if we even talk about it at all, and if we start regularly cancelling practices because of obligations with that band it is going to be a real issue. And the thing is, I think this band with Adam has the most potential, and also Adam really puts it all out there, every day all he thinks about is music and he plays every chance he can get, whereas with the other band we have played a few shows (we have one on the 9th, it'll be our third) but mostly people just talk about it. Half the members only play during practices and I don't know if they even think about it much outside of that, but me and Robbie and/or the other guys from this band get together whenever we have free time and just jam together and try to play music as much as possible, and play at funk jam, and so on. But, the other band allows me a lot more creative freedom personally, and the styles of music we play are more unique and varied. My favorite things I've done are with that band. In that band I take a big lead a lot of the time and in this band, Adam is always the leader. Over time I'll be able to hang with him a little more but it's always going to be the Adam show to some extent, and that's how that band SHOULD be, IMO. So it's a bit of a quandry. Or, it isn't yet, but I predict it will be. And that band is made up of all my best friends in town so I don't want any decisions that might be made to impact important friendships.

EDIT: You guys should listen to that link to a set by The Fritz in the 2nd paragraph, those guys are amazing.

That's awesome xorky.

I'd like to hear some recordings of this other band. Not sure if you posted any or not.

Really wanted to do hulaween again this year and bummed that I missed it. It was so cold last year, it was hard to focus on anything besides that. I heard it was beautiful this year and looked like they went all out with the decorations and festive vibes.

Just took 200 mg of TA. Been taking smallish doses. I took 500 mg or so a couple days ago. Nothing overly psychedelic happened. Had some buzzing in my ears, thought about some forgotten memories, felt really calm. Seems like a really gentle and soothing psych. Didn't seem to weird or alien at all. Had some zen like focus and completely cleared my mind. Seems to be helping some with some mental/addictive/spiritual stuff. Not so much with some of the other physical problems I am having from the APs. Seems like it could be an amazing anti-depressant. Very cleansing so far.

Been a few days without a drink, and the iboga is helping a lot with that. Keeping me motivated to not drink. Which is pretty surprising. Aside from maybe thinking about heading to the 711 after work to pick up a couple drinks, hasn't been on my mind. Need a serious break from the booze. Stuff is basically poison. Weed has been much more enjoyably and less anxiogenic too. Weed isn't legal here so I can't pick my strain. Sometimes I get stuff that gets me totally scattered and neurotic. Wish they would stop breeding all the cbd out of the bud.

Still planning on doing a flood, but wanted to test the waters a bit. Need to give myself a little more time to heal naturally first. When I first was getting off zyprexa, at hulaween last year actually, I convinced myself that I was alright for an acid trip. I had no idea that I would be sick for over a year. Trip went pretty normally, had some fun, yada yada. Towards the tail end of the trip I got severe pain on either side of my stomach. To this day, whenever I take a psychedelic, it flares up that pain in my gut for a while. I have that pain pretty consistently and have no clue what it is or what I fucked up. Little apprehensive about a flood, because I really don't want to be dealing with severe stomach pain for three or four days. So Idk, gonna just stick to weed for a while and focus on getting healthy before I go balls deep.

Off to CO in less than two months. Getting pumped. Smoothed out the situation with my girl. She's going to meet me out there when she graduates four months later. Things are good again and we're both excited to build our lives in Denver for a while. Hopefully I will have a place set up for us when she graduates, that's the plan at least. I love her and want to make it work. She's really amazing, I just couldn't live in FL while we both finished school for the next couple years. We've been together for like 7 years, so yeah, she's kind of my girl and I can't live without her. Hopefully gonna be playing some tunes when I get out there. Going to put some effort into getting into a band and playing music again. Staying drug and alcohol free will help me do that, aside from the weed of course.

My sis got a hold of some mescaline hcl that a friend of hers extracted. I was thinking she should plug it to avoid the nausea. Anyone have any experience with this? She got like 700 mg. She can hold her own with psychs. I was thinking she should take 400 mg at least. I've only done the goop one time and that was enough for me. Enjoyable experience, but the nausea, the process, the price, and that fucking taste was enough to keep me from repeating the experience. I couldn't eat green peppers until recently and I did it like 14 years ago, so that taste bothered me. I can pretty much get over the taste of anything but that was the one I couldn't really mess with. ymmv.

Yall have a splendid day.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hey man, thanks. Thing is we never get an opportunity to record with this band, really (which is a damn shame, I wish we had recorded so much stuff we've played). My friend did some iPhone videos and posted them on YouTube but I can't find them, I think I linked to one in a previous post in here a little while ago though but can't find it. One day we'll get recordings done of shows, hopefully soon. We have the opportunity to record everything 9except shows) with the other band though, because our guitar player spent loads of time and money over the past 5 years to build a home recording studio. When we practice or jam with that group, we all connect to nice equipment and play in "headphone world" where we are listening to the mix as it's happening. With this band though, the only practice space we have is the bar we often play at, and no recording equipment.

Nice about the TA, I hope it keeps helping you. Ibogaine is a wonderful medicine. I've only ever taken the flood dose and a follow-up dose equivalent to about 350mg of HCl (500 TA + 100 HCl). So no low doses, though I have been interested in getting some more so I can do that and also try another mid-level dose (which was a glorious trip).

I hear you on the booze, I've been drinking more than I should too. For me, it's like, every time I hang out with my friends or band(s), alcohol is there. I enjoy a few beers before playing/during playing too, it loosens me up. But still, drinking most days isn't a good thing, and I'd save a good bit of money every month if I didn't. I have band stuff almost every day so... yeah. Last night I decided not to drink, and didn't, and it was nice. I realized a lot of the reason I do it is just that it's what I usually do. Whenever I stay home or hang out with my girl I don't drink, it's a situational thing for me. I've never had any issues when I don't drink, which is still true now, so I decided last night to just not do it just because everyone else is, except when I actually want to.

 

[SKL]

Just took 200 mg of TA ... Seems like it could be an amazing anti-depressant.

The French thought so for a couple decades:

It was during this period, in 1939, that a proprietary pharmaceutical preparation called Lambarène in honor of Dr. Schweitzer, was first marketed in France: it was based on a dry pharmaceutical extract of roots of Tabernanthe manii, with a drug content of 0.20 g of extract per tablet (about 8 mg of ibogaine), whose therapeutic action, dosage regimen and effects were, according to package information, as follows: "a neuromuscular stimulant, promoting cell combustions and getting rid of fatigue, indicated in cases of depression, asthenia, in convalescence, infectious diseases, greater than normal physical or mental efforts by healthy individuals. 2-4 Tablets daily. Rapid and prolonged action, not followed by depression. May be administered to hypertensives."

from here (rest of site not necessarily endorsed.)

TA=total alkaloid, right? How much ibogaine is that?

Been a few days without a drink, and the iboga is helping a lot with that. Keeping me motivated to not drink. Which is pretty surprising. Aside from maybe thinking about heading to the 711 after work to pick up a couple drinks, hasn't been on my mind. Need a serious break from the booze. Stuff is basically poison.

Indeed it is. I have gone without maybe a day or two in as many years, though, and get serious withdrawals. A tolerance break is definitely a good thing.

Weed has been much more enjoyably and less anxiogenic too. Weed isn't legal here so I can't pick my strain. Sometimes I get stuff that gets me totally scattered and neurotic. Wish they would stop breeding all the cbd out of the bud.

Thank Prop19 and the assorted fuckery from the legalizers for that. Weed was a better drug and a fairer economy when it was illegal. I used to really enjoy the good old outdoor green weed I grew up with and can't stand the horrible neon looking stuff that circulates today. I don't even know if I could get the oldschool stuff in the city if I tried.

Staying drug and alcohol free will help me do that, aside from the weed of course.

NSFW:

My sis got a hold of some mescaline hcl that a friend of hers extracted. I was thinking she should plug it to avoid the nausea. Anyone have any experience with this? She got like 700 mg. She can hold her own with psychs. I was thinking she should take 400 mg at least. I've only done the goop one time and that was enough for me.

Depending on what she's going for, her weight, and extract purity 400mg is probably shooting low, and might be a bit of a waste because the balance of 300mg would definitely be low and a redose not so effective. Personally I'd take at least 500mg pure synthetic, that being extremely pleasant but not a truly heavy trip, i.e. beautiful colors, emotionality, prosexual, but quite grounded, lucid, ambulatory, etc., ~750mg for a heavy one, but I'm almost certainly a good deal heavier than her and have a significantly more fraught and dented neurochemistry. But 500mg of the same (synthetic) stuff was a good dose for my smallish girlfriend (also a heavy drug user and net.drugs.kid) at the time, too, more or less similar experience to mine, she was having a solid psychedelic experience but definitely not debilitated and was perfectly lucid and functional. If the extract is on the order of 70-80% pure I'd just go with the whole 700mg, if it is on the order of 90+% pure I'd probably, if feeling adventurous and balls-out, take it all, because there are probably not two good doses split any way there.

Yall have a splendid day.

You too.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah TA = total alkaloid extract... in general I hear it's estimated at roughly 50% the potency of HCl, but it has all the alkaloids including some of another major one that's more potent than ibogaine. When I took ibogaine and a booster 6 days later, my experience seemed to support the ~50% potency thing. Of course I don't really have much to compare to. IMO though, it's pretty necessary for the full ibogaine effect. Iboga has several other major alkaloids besides ibogaine HCl... it's not like some other plants where they contain other things but they're inactive on their own.

 

[coelophysis]

So Xorky, basically you're a spider from Mars is what you're trying to say?

 

[Xorkoth]

Is that what I'm trying to say? I didn't think so but now I'm not so sure...

 

[pharmakos]

who would be ziggy, then?

 

[coelophysis]

Is that what I'm trying to say? I didn't think so but now I'm not so sure...

Lol just the whole thing with Adam (who imo would be the ziggy) kind of reminded me of it all..
Hopefully you won't have to break his sweet hands some day.

 

[Just A Guy]

They were several dozen huge yellow chunky slablike somethings, huge as office blocks, silent as birds. They soared with ease, basking in electromagnetic rays from the star Sol, biding their time, grouping, preparing, The planet beneath them was almost perfectly oblivious of their presence, which was just how they wanted it for the moment.

 

[pharmakos]

They were several dozen huge yellow chunky slablike somethings, huge as office blocks, silent as birds. They soared with ease, basking in electromagnetic rays from the star Sol, biding their time, grouping, preparing, The planet beneath them was almost perfectly oblivious of their presence, which was just how they wanted it for the moment.

Meanwhile, several huge yellow bulldozery things were waiting outside of our unlikely hero's house.

 

[Just A Guy]

Did you ever play the Infocom game, pharmakos?