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☮ Social ☮ [PD Social General Talk Thread] Observation Tank for Fractallized Redundancy Modules

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...aaaaaand I'm off to that special place :) not really helping all that much with the pain when i move but when lying down totally relieved. taking 1500mg methocarbamol four times a day for muscles, not helping that much either but should help move the process along. hot packs, and I'm probably going to need to go to physical therapy ... also could stand to lose a good few pounds and get in better shape, it's part of the problem I think that I keep getting back injuries. Which like I said is an occupational hazard for me. So it feels kind of inevitable that I'll have another one after this, and they have been progressively worse all the time. I hope I am not on the road to becoming a chronic pain guy. Well, obviously, I have too messy a history with opiates. Sure I am going to abuse the hell out of #30 5/325s but that's not really a lot at all. Call it a little vacation I guess, I'm on leave from work too until this shit clears up. Thank God for the CWE, though, my liver has taken enough abuse.
 
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SKL said:
I hope I am not on the road to becoming a chronic pain guy.
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Only 27 here and I can tell I'll likely be that guy in the future some time thanks to my crushed T5 and everything else that's resulted in over the years.

SKL said:
Thank God for the CWE, though, my liver has taken enough abuse.
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How does the CWE reduce liver strain? Do the pills contain insoluble stuff bad for the liver in elevated doses?
 
^ it's the Tylenol (these pills are 5mg oxycodone/325mg APAP), which is rough on the liver especially if you are a habitual drinker as I am.
 
Oh man SKL, that's rough. I'm glad you seem to be feeling alright about it though. Hope you heal up quickly and don't have lasting pain.

I had a really fun Halloween... went to a local grateful dead cover band show at the coolest venue in town, everyone was chilling extra hard (obviously) and I ended up meeting a lot of people, it was cool. I took some 4-HO-MiPT and at first navigating the social dynamics was difficult but once it settled in it was great.

Then I went back to my friend's house and we stayed up and did some nitrous and smoked and drank. The nitrous was outrageously profound. :) I even remember the gist of it and I've been trying to figure out how to put it into words.
 
Definitely gotta be something broken in my head. Nitrous is another thing I don't seem to experience what others speak of. I just get the echoing distorted sounds and that awesome bodyload. Well, there is a bit more to it, but I guess I don't use it enough to know really.

Might run upstairs and grab a few canisters haha...hmm I did recently buy like 80 for lulz
 
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Definitely gotta be something broken in my head. Nitrous is another thing I don't seem to experience what others speak of. I just get the echoing distorted sounds and that awesome bodyload. Well, there is a bit more to it, but I guess I don't use it enough to know really.

Might run upstairs and grab a few canisters haha...hmm I did recently buy like 80 for lulz
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I used it maybe 6 times before my recent DOET trip where I was able to break through, and I never was able to get past the body effects, even once on a psychedelic (which amplifies it). Now for some reason I can get there, but I seem to require being on another psychedelic for the most part.

3 charges is the key... use one of those whip cream dispensers if possible, much easier than a cracker. It will take 3-4 deep breaths depending on your lung capacity. Do them all as quickly as you can.
 
It's worth repeating that being on a psychedelic greatly amplifies it. It takes me between six and eight charges in a balloon to hit that breakthrough point on no tolerance, on its own.... When I'm already on a psychedelic though, it can happen almost instantly. And then it keeps going for the rest of the balloon too instead of just building up to it. =D

Just saw that you mixed it with 4-HO-MiPT up there, Xorkoth. I'd be interested in what you have to say about that!
 
Well I wanted to do it on the peak, because it was an unusually psychedelic 4-HO-MiPT trip and I think it would have been glorious. But my friend and I were at a show, and although everyone was extremely cool, I was already having some difficulty with the social dynamics, and I didn't want to start tripping way harder after the nitrous. Plus I felt awkward asking my friend for his car keys and excusing myself. =D So I did it back at his house afterwards, long after the peak (though I will still plateauing/afterglowing). Even then it was great, clear, warm and even more profound than the last time, on DOET. Both times I kept having trips where it was like I was experiencing this chain of events that was leading to something, and the first nitrous blast this last time I didn't quite get to the end but I had a vision of the last step or something. It was like the thing that caught me up made me realize what this was all getting towards; I felt like I had cheated the system and seen ahead. See, I kept feeling with nitrous like I was getting one step farther towards the "end" each time, based on what I learned the previous time, but there's always some other thing that blocks it from me because of my ignorance (or something). This time I saw the last step, the last lesson to learn, and with that "we" (the universe) said to ourselves, "see?" and existence winked out. It felt like the entirety of the experience of the infinity of life is to learn the lesson that we prefer the utter solitude of the formless void, which is why existence happened in the first place, to experience something OTHER than that.

I'm glad I just put words to that, I kept feeling like I could put some words to it but it wasn't easy. :) When I did nitrous on DOET, the way it was presented to me was more jagged, like once the moment that sparked it was of me lying dying from a terrible car crash, jarring stuff like that that would cause an uneasiness. On 4-HO-MiPT, the feeling was loving and ethereal.
 
Thanks for sharing. :) I can relate a lot to what you said in the way your trips on nitrous work, and that's some interesting insight you got out of it. I have never thought about it quite like that, but my nitrous experiences do always have a strong focus on letting go of everything in reality. I believe part of what makes it so special for me is that fact combined with the paradoxical feelings of mental clarity and physical attachment just from having to hold on to the balloon. It basically feels like abandoning all cares whatsoever and stepping into the void and infinity while remaining otherwise unchanged, which I think is why it's so wonderful at maximizing any psychedelic trip it's combined with without even really changing the overall character of the psychedelic experience that much.

It's beautiful stuff really.... I'm glad you're enjoying it so far. :D I also totally get what you're talking about with the comparison to DOET.... I've had very emotionally cold and body heavy trips that when combined with nitrous produced more of a classic near-death scenario out-of-body kind of experience. Most tryptamines, on the other hand, feel very mystical and ecstatic with nitrous. Just the easiest trips I've ever experienced really....
 
Ah, "hippie crack" (i.e. nitrous.) Having to mess with the chargers while in this weird dissociative state was always a major buzzkill for me, although in that dissociative way it started to become semi automatic and like something that was going on outside myself, like I was standing next to an assembly line. A tank, on the other hand, with some friends, taking turns filling up balloons for each other, will take you pretty far out. Unfortunately while you reach these Himalayan heights of interconnected thought, sensation, and breakdown of audio/visual perception, going really alien places, you come down with basically nothing. Reminds me of the famous quote "A SMELL OF ETHER PERVADES ..."

Myself I am feeling loads better today. The muscle relaxants are starting to do their job, so opiates aren't really necessary for pain, so instead I elected to get a nice little nod going. It took only 30mg oxycodone, which would have been inconceivable for me a few years ago when I was into opiates. Have 70mg left to use wisely. I think it's probably better to just go full on binge than to keep it around so I can be preoccupied with it. I've fortunately been able to have the occasional recreational use of opiates in the past 2 years or so, since I went off the bupe. Slippery slope, I know.

As my level of stress in life has significantly decreased lately (I posted about why earlier in this thread) and since I'm on some psych meds which are helping me considerably I'm giving though to trying a light psychedelic, perhaps 5-MeO-MiPT as that is currently circulating again and it's one of my favorites - I don't have any stash anymore, at all. But that too is a slippery slope. Being active on Bluelight, of course, puts my mind to recreational drug use, although I really do think I am past the point in my life in which those activities hold a central place.

Not to mention my medications don't necessarily agree with recreational drugs:

Wellbutrin - NDRI - doesn't play well with stimulants: mania, psychosis, seizures. I had an odd craving for a little bit of cocaine lately but that would be quite a bad idea. I knew a girl in high school who was on Wellbutrin and did some coke (probably more than "some") and wound up in the psych ward. Not fun.

Lamictal - atypical mood stabilizer - blocks the dissociative effects of ketamine (although a friend also on Lamictal still enjoyed ketamine but in a completely different way than the rest of us did, seemed like he was not intoxicated or had none of the odd physicality that ketamine can give you but experienced some sort of psychedelia. And ketamine is useless as an anaesthetic in people who are on Lamictal. I dunno, this actually makes me curious more than anything else!)

Viibryd - SSRI/5HT1a agonist - This too will be interesting. SSRIs as we all know attenuate the effects of psychedelics and MDMA, although by adjusting the dose you can probably get to the same place. The 5HT1A piece is interesting as psychedelics with higher 5HT1A affinity tend to (a) be less anxiogenic, see Buspar and (b) have an erotic tinge, see flibanserin, and also 5-MeO-MiPT, with very high 5HT1A affinity.

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That is strange SKL, I have never heard of Lamictal blocking dissociative effects of any drug. I have been taking Lamictal for a few years now at a dose of 100 mgs, and have always enjoyed DXM and MXE. Makes me wonder if I have been unable to fully enjoy the effects now upon reading this?

Just today I have taken a low dose of MXE orally and am feeling a nice, positive glow. About to play frisbee with the dogs, then maybe take them on a walk with the lady :) What a beautiful day.
 
The Lamictal thing I learned anecdotally from a friend who trouble describing exactly what the differences were as he lacked a frame of reference having not tried ketamine off Lamictal. But he described as being less intoxicated, dissociated, and just generally "fucked up" than others on ketamine seemed to be to him.

The interaction of these two drugs is known but rather obscure in the medical community. A few citations:

Attenuation of the Neuropsychiatric Effects of Ketamine With Lamotrigine
Glutamate and the Neural Basis of the Subjective Effects of Ketamine
Lamotrigine prevents ketamine but not amphetamine-induced deficits in prepulse inhibition in mice.
Failure of Ketamine Anesthesia in a Patient with Lamotrigine Overdose

Here is a case report in a doctor's blog, which, rather hilariously, quotes from someone on drugs-forum and calls them "people of low moral fiber" and expresses perplexity at their SWIM/pet monkey nonsense.
 
I've only ever used one charger at a time and fill a balloon using the cream dispenser (well actually, there's been maybe 5 occasions I've dumped 2 into the dispenser). I can generally get the entire 8g charger down in a single lungful.

So far the only effects beyond that I described earlier have come from hypoxia lol....oops.
 
Ah fuck I'm nodding like crazy! In a half hour or so, it'll be time to really get down! A touch of 4-HO-MiPT with about 20-40mgs of DPT. A my or two of 3-MeO-PCP... Then once it's going down, getting stoned as fuck. Ahh hedonism, carry me away down that river of mindless self indulgence! :)

When I'm really in it, I'll slam down five chargers. It takes some time, but eventually I can do it. That's defintely the limit though... It's the line where it feels like it I tried more my lungs may pop!8

So sad I have no MXE, but 3-MeO-PCP shall suffice for now!
 
I haven't had nitrous in months because of the price per charger, even when bought in bulk... it's a luxury I can't afford at the moment. Man, it boggles my mind though, that people have access to tanks for recreational use at all. I've never seen it in person but people talk about it often... where on Earth do people get tanks of the stuff? Is everyone who loves nitrous also a dentist and brings their tanks from work??
 
No, in certain states (PA being the most notorious) you can obtain a permit for a nominal fee, which allows you to buy and fill food grade nitrous tanks. In other states I think you have to prove that you are a legitimate food service business. The tank deposit is pretty cheap and the refills are very cheap. This is how the nitrous oxide that is sold at festivals, etc. is procured.
 
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