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I haven't had a weed edible in years. Most times I'm disappointed/just feel tired but sometimes it just straight kicks my ass for hours.
Last night I woke up an hour after falling asleep feeling restless and anxious, with a lot of neck tension and a general sense of physical discomfort. Last sunday night I had exactly the same thing happen. I figured; the only common element in those two events, besides taking place in a sunday night, is that both times I took Phenibut the day before.
I never had this happened from phenibut, but could it be some sort of rebound anxiety? I know this could happen if I was using daily and the stopped. But for only one use ??? Has anyone ever had this happen?
That's great dreamflyer, but I'm wondering how long you have been taking that much ativan? Clonazepam is a good benzo to taper with as it has a long half-life, but if you're dependent on benzos, that is probably way too aggressive of a taper. Though I guess you may be quite experienced and know yourself. In any case be vigilant for signs of seizures and delusional thoughts, as those mean that you're in dangerous territory. And it would just mean to slow down your taper. Usually people go for a very long taper with benzos, reduce by 10% per week basically. But if you haven't been taking these doses for long, it may be that you can get away with a rapid taper. Either way, good luck!
This makes me somewhat less concerned for my own benzo habit of recent, thanks for sharing... I managed to not take any on the weekend although I did take 900mg of pregabalin Saturday and 3g phenibut Sunday - the phenibut definitely did the trick for the day, obviously I have a long term permatolerance by now... Today though Monday morning stress lead me to get back on the clonazepam, I've taken, I think, actually 5mg today... oh no, actually it's 3mg, I took 20mg diazepam in the morning instead... I am really worried about seizing though but I dunno if I'm just massively overthinking it... I just got some gabapentin today so I plan to switch to that while I try to get myself off this god damn GABA wagon...I'm ashamed to admit being this foolish, but in the past I've come off of absolutely inhuman amounts of Ativan (like 30 mg. a day, no exaggeration) cold-turkey and never had any kind of psychosis or seizure activity... knock on wood! This time I've only been taking it on-and-off and not nearly that much, so I think I'll be okay with the Klonopin taper. I'll just take it one day at a time and see how I feel. Thanks so much for your concern. I hope that you're doing well.
Peace, Love and Faith,
Dreamflyer
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Thanks, it actually hasn't happened again. And I haven't taken phenibut since, which further rises my suspicions of it being the culprit. But I just find it so weird that I would get that after only one use. I guess I'll see when I take it again.That happens to me a lot, usually when I'm sleep-deprived and fall asleep quickly. I get startled awake in a panic with an overwhelming sense of impending doom. With me I think it's stress-related. Hope you feel better.
This makes me somewhat less concerned for my own benzo habit of recent, thanks for sharing...
This makes me somewhat less concerned for my own benzo habit of recent, thanks for sharing... I managed to not take any on the weekend although I did take 900mg of pregabalin Saturday and 3g phenibut Sunday - the phenibut definitely did the trick for the day, obviously I have a long term permatolerance by now... Today though Monday morning stress lead me to get back on the clonazepam, I've taken, I think, actually 5mg today... oh no, actually it's 3mg, I took 20mg diazepam in the morning instead... I am really worried about seizing though but I dunno if I'm just massively overthinking it... I just got some gabapentin today so I plan to switch to that while I try to get myself off this god damn GABA wagon...
Don't like to cross post but I made another post in other drugs asking for personal experiences of people coming off high doses of benzos, in characteristic fashion I probably made it too damn neurotically regimented for people to bother replying to but I'd really appreciate if you could share some details of your experience... and anyone else who has struggled with benzos who happens to read this in this thread, of course...It must have been 3 weeks now at least of taking some benzos almost every day... maybe even 4... clonazepam is a really nice clean one I find, though, but, yeah, can't be carrying on with this shit... glad to hear you are on a good path also.
Thanks, it actually hasn't happened again. And I haven't taken phenibut since, which further rises my suspicions of it being the culprit. But I just find it so weird that I would get that after only one use. I guess I'll see when I take it again.
Going to clean myself from all my addictions and start a new chapter in life and move on from old friendships which just revolve around endless drug use. Going to spend the next spare months i have to prep myself to start a post grad diploma in science next year to give me something solid in life to focus on had a rather intense trip on 150 ug spent what felt like countless years inside my own mind critiquing every little situation i have ever put myself. Will never touch ketamine and mdma again and cut out the binge drinking benders where i smash bottles of whiskey each week.
Going to set these plans into motion and use LSD more responsibly to set me on the right track and probably skip over taking any high doses soon.
So delta 8 surprised me. I've always loathed delta 9— it's the most horrible feeling drug I've ever taken, and it destroys my memory for weeks afterwards. You know that time gramma got into your brownies and thought that she was dying? That's me on a single drag off of a joint.
Delta 8, however, is a bit different for me. It still gets me +++ on 2C-E level "can't make sense out of reality" fucked up with intense closed eyes visuals. But it's like there's a demarcation between its headspace and the delta 9 horror hellscape, like I'm in the eye of the storm. It's not a calm or safe place precisely, but I can see the threat is being held back. And my memory isn't terribly affected the next day.
Is it fun? No, not especially. I don't even know if it's all that safe. But I DO know that it helps with my insomnia wonderfully. I don't know if it helps me fall asleep any faster, but I much prefer tripping out to the point of incoherence until consciousness disappears to frustrated tossing and turning for hours. And I wake up refreshed, so that's nice! When paired with some CBD/hemp flower, it's way less psychedelic and more like a sleeping pill
Thanks for the input, yeah, I am very much hoping that my own neurochemistry is somehow seizure resistant too, based on mainly wishful thinking but also that I have no family history of epilepsy or seizures... I feel still that GABAergics seem to treat me fairly well, I can't remember ever suffering greatly after prolonged use of phenibut, for example... at least not overtly, as in, I'm totally cool if I don't have to do anything but I might hate anything that requires effort... Kratom withdrawal even from a relatively short period of use and a relatively average dose of 15gpd was the worst true drug withdrawal I've ever experienced and I find it kinda hard to believe anything could match that. Obviously I'm sure I could get a worse withdrawal if I tried... but I'll try not to.Just be careful though. I've been *extremely* lucky in the sense that I seem to tolerate medication and withdrawal very well. Thinking back on all the stupid things that I've done in the past, I probably should have died 100 times by now. (That's not d---sizing or humblebrag either, believe me. I'm not proud of it; I'm ashamed.)
Peace, Love & Faith,
Dreamflyer
No issue with you harping, you give good advice always and it's always appreciated.My guess would be you're not going to seize, but it's possible you would suffer quite a bit. Taking days off is a very good thing, but another BLer told me that every time she comes off of etizolam periods (like 6+mg a day), she takes gabapentin to mask withdrawal, but without it, it sucks ass.
Personally, I have taken etizolam a lot since GHB, helping me to sleep, filling in the anxiety cracks sometimes. I mean I am not anymore since my detox started, but I would dose it like 4 nights in a row, and then take 1-2 days off. Occasionally during stim binges I would take it 7-9 days in a row, and then take 3-4 days off. I also only ever took it at night, taking gabaergics 24/7 leads much more rapidly to physical dependence. I was beginning to feel rebound anxiety and insomnia, but not full-on withdrawal. I would proceed assuming that this rate of usage, if it has not already led to dependence, will certainly lead to dependence. I hope I'm not harping, I just don't want to see you struggle with benzo addiction.
How do you work out at home, out of interest? Am always interested in other people's home workout routines. I bought myself a cheap adjustable bench and some of those blocky adjustable dumbells, y'know the really compact ones, at the beginning of this pandemic and although I haven't used them nearly as much as I thought I would, I dunno if I will bother going to a real gym just to do weights or basic cardio or something even when they all re-open again. I have a pull up bar also so got all the kit I need. Of course you don't need any kit really, I used to use this app MadBarz which has a ton of bodyweight workouts on it for different body parts from 15 minutes to over an hour, I'd recommend it. If I'm being really good and sensible I'll get out my weights shit the night before and workout first thing in the morning... otherwise if I'm feeling less dedicated I'll try to get in at least some kind of short sequence, like I heard this workout idea recently I think originally from David Goggins, do 10 pushups, 5 pullups per minute, until you have to stop. Usually by minute 5 I'm not doing 5 pullups anymore lol but it's a nice cardio/strength shot at the very least.Thanks man.I am going to try really hard to maintain this after I am done at the cabin. There is no possibility of cheating, here. Well the ONLY way I can see to get high (besides tobacco which I just fully do not want anymore) is propylhexedrine at Walgreens, but my buddy and I have a rule to only go anywhere together and in any case I am not craving that. It's a dry county so no alcohol anywhere. At home, it will be harder, especially when gigging with my band. But I feel so good now, and I figured out how to effectively work out at home without going to a gym, so I am pretty well equipped to succeed, I think.
I think for me klonopin is noticeable because of my general anxiety otherwise. I notice they're working because I'm not so paralysed by indecision and not so prone to procrastination. Really 1mg would probably be enough of a single dose for me a lot of the time but because of the slow onset, perhaps, and impatience about wanting to definitely feel something, I usually end up taking another 1mg within an hour of the first. Later on in the day when I just start feeling a bit worried or stressed again I would take another... or, sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, I'd just think y'know, I know what this feeling is and I don't need another benzo today... and ride it out. But not usually.The one thing that bothers me about Klonopin is that it's *so* subtle, I can never really tell if/when it's working or for how long. Plus they say that the duration can last anywhere from 6-12 hours, which requires a lot of guesswork on my part. If I'm feeling anxious and take an Ativan, I can feel exactly when it kicks in. Not so with Klon.
Also, they say that 1 mg. of Klon is equal to 2 mg. of Ativan, but I've found the opposite to be true. If I took, for example, 16 mg. of Ativan (something that I DO NOT recommend), I'd be a drooling mess and wouldn't remember a thing the next day. But if I took 8 mg. of Klon, I could function perfectly well and have no lapse in memory.
It must have something to do with the delayed reaction and long half-life. It's almost as though it's time-released.
Stay Safe!!!
Dreamflyer
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How do you work out at home, out of interest? Am always interested in other people's home workout routines. I bought myself a cheap adjustable bench and some of those blocky adjustable dumbells, y'know the really compact ones, at the beginning of this pandemic and although I haven't used them nearly as much as I thought I would, I dunno if I will bother going to a real gym just to do weights or basic cardio or something even when they all re-open again. I have a pull up bar also so got all the kit I need. Of course you don't need any kit really, I used to use this app MadBarz which has a ton of bodyweight workouts on it for different body parts from 15 minutes to over an hour, I'd recommend it. If I'm being really good and sensible I'll get out my weights shit the night before and workout first thing in the morning... otherwise if I'm feeling less dedicated I'll try to get in at least some kind of short sequence, like I heard this workout idea recently I think originally from David Goggins, do 10 pushups, 5 pullups per minute, until you have to stop. Usually by minute 5 I'm not doing 5 pullups anymore lol but it's a nice cardio/strength shot at the very least.
I'm hoping 'pentin doesn't turn out too brainfog-inducing like pregabalin is though. I had major brainfog earlier but that was more to do with not sleeping for a night, having stayed up on a minor speed binge.