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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Distancing Talk Thread: Swirly Congregation That's 100% Pandemic-Proof

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Charlie I'm really glad to hear you say that and I'm glad you flushed it. You do have a lot of people who love and need you and you will have another one soon. I knew what was happening, both because I've seen it and because of talking with you on here. I really think you made the right choice. The dissos, especially the 3-MeOs, and ESPECIALLY 3-MeO-PCP, are so insidious, how convince you everything is amazing while you're acting like a fucking loon and basically not in control of yourself much at all.
 
I would imagine people who are on dissos look really nasty "junkie" style of people for sober people, at least more sedative ones. I remember how I couldn't even talk properly on MXE.
 
Cosmic Charlie said:
The stuff is crazy how it makes you think that everything is fine and dandy when it's the exact opposite. Trust and believe I am a hard head as it gets when it comes to Psychs and Dissos and even I know when to throw in the towel. There is something slippery about this drug. If you could use it in controlled amounts and have someone watching you then by all means but if your the type to give into hedonistic please be VERY careful. This is not something to be toyed around with, we all have to look after one another. That is the purpose of Bluelight and the goal of Harm Reduction.

I love all of you <3
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Very glad to have you back man ❤

What a ride, I'll never understand how you were able to cook on large doses of 3-MeO-PCP =D
 
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Just one dish at a time my man :)
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Nice, a great metaphor for just about anything in life. :) The Luke Skywalker of psychs mixed with the Iron chef. lol

Listen to your brothers here that have experience Charlie. Now you have experience. By all means party and party on, but do it wisely and in this instance let the heart balance the mind. Deep down we all know what is good for us or not. And I suspect other BL'ers are like me, find it very hard to be a cop but I can feel the concern out of caring.
 
I love 3-MeO-PCP, but I use it very sparingly, once or twice a month at max. It sure can mislead you though, as I learned early on in my experimentation with it. Back in those days, I ended up going to the birthday party of someone I had just met, after a day of consuming 15 mg space in several doses throughout the day. Oh, I wasn't even in my own country, it was while I was on a job-related trip to the USA back in 2016. I remember as I walked to the party going on manic steps I swore I was almost sober and was wondering if I had developed a tolerance. When I got there if was feeling so talkative, engaging in conversations with everyone there, until at some point someone offered me to smoke from their bong. I hit the bong and dissociation was amplified three-fold. I remember I immediately got very self-conscious and realized I was pretty fucking drugged. I suddenly became very quiet and anxious and began to experience everything as if I was in a movie, or some sort of music video-clip. The lights were so bright and I was using all of my mental capacities in trying to keep my shit together. I became furniture for a good ten minutes. Then I started to slowly come down. I ended up having a good time there, but yeah, 3-MeO-PCP can certainly be sneaky and insidious. Decision making becomes fucked and you dont even tell. I can't imagine what could happen if I dosed on days on end.


Also, I loved this:

Cosmic Charlie said:
Just one dish at a time my man :)
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Cook's wisdom. Love it.
 
I also really enjoy it for certain situations and sparingly. In January I’ve used it twice, both times in low doses.
But I’ve seen it’s dark side and know what it’s capable of so I proceed to use it with extreme caution.
Drugs need to be used with respect for the substance. I don’t believe that a drug can inherently be bad but I do think that abusing drugs will bring out the dark side of the person using it. This goes for stims, opiates, benzos, dissociatives and to a smaller degree, weed and psychedelics. At the same time, used properly, I believe we can benefit from these drugs as well. Habitual use will take away the benefits they offer.
 
That last statement doesn't hold across the board. Habitual stim use in the form of coffee seems to be healthy.

Even if there's perfect tolerance, mere ritual can continue to serve purpose. Which is probably the nastiest component to cigarette smoking. So in that case there's "benefit" (in the short term sense) in submitting to big tobacco, exactly because of habituation. Inhaling a mix of 599 chemicals (skatole even being one of them) isn't pleasant unless you're accustomed to the nicky high.
 
Sure, you can convince yourself habitual caffeine and cigarettes are good for you. It’s not any different than someone saying meth makes them a better student, heroin really takes away the pain and 3 meo pcp makes you a better version of yourself. We tend to believe our own lies if it suits our narrative.
 
I mean, there's science. Enough coffee drinkers around to do longitudinal studies on.

Too much coffee eats creativity, that's the variable unaccounted for. But the rest seems to check out.

Don't forget there's no clear distinction to be drawn between drugs and food. Which is why the term "drugs" is ridiculous, etymologically it just means dry stuff.
 
There are levels of harm, of course. Perhaps one who has no caffeine ever will be slightly healthier (on average) than someone who has a modest amount of caffeine every morning, but certainly someone who does meth every day is doing significantly more harm to themselves. On the other hand, someone prescribed 10mg of Adderall a day who has ADHD may in fact live a better life because of it, if they never begin to abuse it. But as recreational drug users, we should all be extremely careful to not deceive ourselves, and be very skeptical of our own internal narrative regarding any chronic drug usage.
 
Delsyd said:
I don’t believe that a drug can inherently be bad but I do think that abusing drugs will bring out the dark side of the person using it. This goes for stims, opiates, benzos, dissociatives and to a smaller degree, weed and psychedelics. At the same time, used properly, I believe we can benefit from these drugs as well. Habitual use will take away the benefits they offer.
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Right on. There really are no good or bad drugs, it is all a person's relationship with them. I think that goes with anything. People, food, even computers. A computer can be used to invent and share knowledge, or it can be used for some real dark stuff. The computer is neither good or bad. And know I have said this too many times (apologies :)) but I think if a person uses a dissociatve in the same manner as say mescaline, pull out any knowlege they can bring back and enlighten me with then that is a good relationship. My buddy who uses dissociatives every day, has bladder issues, lost his job and wife but thinks he is ok, then that would be what I consider a bad relationship. The substance is neutral. Too bad, he was a good musician who can play nothing now. I lost contact, could not watch. I never knew something could grab a person like that. I mean, yeah sure heroin can do that. But as William S Burroughs would say heroin addicts are drearily sane. Hmmm.

Been married for 16 years, I know all about the ups and downs. I feel like running sometimes, but I Love my wife at the Highest level. She stopped drinking in 2013 when I was going to run. But she is growing. And let's face it, we can fantasize about running, but it is not so easy. Plus we learn unconditional love when we stay and work things out. But there are instances when a person does have to move on. Not so easy to tell how or when. But one thing is for sure, there is no happily ever after, it is growth spurt after growth spurt. :) Life!!
 
Well, depends on whether he thought job and wife were a fit for him, doesn't it? Easy to judge on appearances, but it all depends on his own final judgement.. assuming he can peep past the chemical cloud, like dissociatives typically allow, at least at some point. Even someone irreversibly checking out brings value to the hive, it reminds us that life's not that serious after all, and we're all free to feel as light as we please.
 
^ So very true on perspective, I totally see that. However when I see a drunk lose everthing and hit skid row I feel the persons chosen journey is being tossed aside. Forgoing addressing their little karmas they came here for. :) And yes, if you get far enough out there whatever is IS totally ok. But you know...
 
You totally got me interested in Amanita's Mr. Timothy. I think having the stamp of approval from you will kick up interest. I think I will venture there. It could be an ally I feel. Salvia is already a big ally for me. She seems to like me and treat me well.
 
Just to be clear, this is an idea of the radical kind. Like feeding a glutenous person a monster bucket of fried chicken. It gives the most shattering reality experience ever, everything surreal they could ever hope for chasing that hole.. but only now it's become seamless with reality.

And chances are they won't go back for more.

Thee of 20g. Decarboxylated at 110°C until crips, and sun-dried afterwards to taste. They're totally free to combine with their favourite, if they dare. Or salvia, sure why not lol.
 
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