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Actually it might go very well with salvia. DXM + salvia is a beautiful match, this could translate to similar magic with the Amanita combo. If you can handle the big tokes that is, DXM helps with that in a way the mushroom of course doesn't. Then again, why not throw DXM in the mix anyway, just to maximize the salvia tokes while the shroom explodes the brain anyway already. :)

Haven't tested it out yet, but should be able to give clearance on that formula in the not too distant future.
 
Chris Timothy said:
What sources are you drawing from? I'm open to revising my position, but that means open cards.

Let's unveil this big bean conspiracy shall we?
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Briefly skimmed some coffee research again, been a good amount of years since I looked at it in depth. And just like I learned over a decade ago in a health psychology course, the sources on wikipedia still link it to life extension, provided you don't overdo it and blatantly torture your heart.

So lemme mirror your ad hominem, @Delsyd. I've noticed a pattern among acid heads of putting down coffee, but I've yet to hear compelling reasons for it. It's as if it's just psychedelic elitism that health improvement wouldn't be able to be a thing with the more innocent uppers.

The US food fads probably don't help, coffee inflames, like sugar and carbs. Some sense to heeding that I'm sure, and again, there's no clear distinction between drugs and food so it is interesting to play with the imaginary line and start considering some food as drugs and see to what degree that holds up and influences lifestyle. But even if refined sugar and carbs deserve to be called drugs, that still doesn't warrant demonization, it merely brings us back to the principle of moderation. Utility needs not be downplayed, only put in the context of the downsides with suboptimal dosing.
 
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Thee of 20g. Decarboxylated at 110°C until crips, and sun-dried afterwards to taste. They're totally free to combine with their favourite, if they dare. Or salvia, sure why not lol.
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DXM, Salva? Yee Haw. I would imagine some of those combos are new drug territory. I iwill say never tried DXM alone. Almost did. Couldn't get myself to do it. I love eading the reports though. But I mention Salvia only as a possible plant based dissociative. Different I know but they all seem to be different even as a chemical. But Amanitas have intrigued me'for as long as I studied mushrooms and not many people are knowledgable and post about them, at least lately.
 
Has anyone here undertaken the thumbprint experience with LSD? I was offered one a couple of years ago and turned it down out of fear. They told me I could come back and be dosed when I felt I was ready. I don't think I'm ready yet but I've been flirting with the idea of just going for it. I know a lot of people say the thumbprint doses are bullshit but I find it hard to believe that no one has attempted it. Even if they were initially BS I'm sure those with access to LSD crystal have done it at some point over the years. My main fear with it is I've read you're out of it for so long and need someone to watch over you. I don't want to be a burden on anyone so I've refused for that reason in addition to the general fear of taking that much LSD at one time.

I've also been flirting with the idea of undertaking a heroic dose of mushrooms sometime in the next few months. So far I've only gone up to 4 grams in one session with those. That seems more manageable because I'm not afraid of doing it alone. I'm not a fan of trip sitters but I'm sure they're absolutely required with something like a megadose of LSD. I've also been thinking about attempting DPT again and shooting for another breakthrough dosage. I guess I'm craving an intense trip after so many months away. I don't really find much value in flirting with small doses anymore even in social settings these days.
 
trips above 1000 ug + are pretty much total psychosis for 12 hours. Some chemists have accidently dosed themselves with huge amounts and a trip like that will leave you will ptsd for a while til you intergrate it. Trip sitters on my 1000 ug trips saved my life. Heroic trips of mushrooms are so much safer and easier to handle than the realms of LSD.

1000 ug LSD is as strong as the dmt breakthrough but it lasts many hours instead of 5 minutes and is more than a 25% chance you will wake up in hospital. LSD should really be maxed out at 500 ug as that is a trip that is already blasting you through comso to live many lifetimes and is too much for most people to handle anyway.
 
And a thumbprint is way more than 1000ug. I mean acttually coating your thumb print with crystals of something is going to be at LEAST 10mg, maybe 20+mg.

I have not done anywhere remotely close to that much LSD at once.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Has anyone here undertaken the thumbprint experience with LSD? I was offered one a couple of years ago and turned it down out of fear. They told me I could come back and be dosed when I felt I was ready. I don't think I'm ready yet but I've been flirting with the idea of just going for it. I know a lot of people say the thumbprint doses are bullshit but I find it hard to believe that no one has attempted it. Even if they were initially BS I'm sure those with access to LSD crystal have done it at some point over the years. My main fear with it is I've read you're out of it for so long and need someone to watch over you. I don't want to be a burden on anyone so I've refused for that reason in addition to the general fear of taking that much LSD at one time.
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Saturation of the 5HT2A receptors occurs at or around 1400mcg, if I recall the number. Whatever it is, hippies are definitely taking much higher doses than that from time to time. Anything greater than that you are getting from other receptors and you're not getting a classic LSD experience.

As far as the lore of this goes the ChinaCat72 thread on the Shroomery is 100% bullshit inasmuch as it claims doing a thumbprint was some kind of initiation or ritual in the Grateful Dead scene. However as you say people have done it. As mentioned @TripSitterNZ it is very manic/psychotic in character (due to the fact that the dopaminergic character of the experience starts to carry over) and it tends to last rather longer than LSD usually does.

I've not had my thumb caked with crystal as I have no doubt that it's nothing but a waste of LSD, but many of us have had relevant doses. I think everyone who's ever laid blotter has probably consumed a small visible amount of crystal just to say they've done it.
 
I should have clarified that I knew better than to do an actual thumbprint of it. When it was offered to me it was the only time I'd seen crystal and we never went into how much I'd be taking although I was told if I wanted to dip a pinky into it I was more than welcomed to do so. I was happy enough to see it in the vial it was stored in. I don't doubt it was real considering how much was laying around on paper in that particular location. Thanks for the input I doubt I'll ever attempt it. I knew after a certain dose doing more was useless/foolish but I was interested in how the character changed at those doses. The person that offered it to me has claimed to have done it so I'll ask them for details next time I see them.

Are there any verified reports of non-psychotic reactions? I've heard second hand stories of good experiences but they are always very short on the details. I'm also interested in duration because I've heard reports of multiple days with peak effects lasting 24+ hours.
 
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On the subject of LSD I dosed it many times over the last summer and the body load of it just bothers me so much. LSD is manageable but everything that normally hurts (back, knees, shoulders etc.) just hurts so much more after the peak wears off. Even on the peak I find my body feels very tense and makes aches and pains worse. I have less issues with mushrooms and actually feel better after using them as they relax the body and seem to make pain less noticeable for me in the weeks after using them. LSD also leaves me very frazzled afterwards. I try to restrict usage of LSD for days where I'm otherwise active (hiking, swimming, anything outdoors) since if I'm going to be a bit sore I might as well have something to show for that time. I need an outlet for the energy it gives me.

Anyone else getting on in years and finding LSD to be a bit more difficult physically? I've resorted to taking Naproxen with LSD now, if I could trust myself with them I'd probably take opioids every time I took LSD both on the come-up and come down.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
I should have clarified that I knew better than to do an actual thumbprint of it. When it was offered to me it was the only time I'd seen crystal and we never went into how much I'd be taking although I was told if I wanted to dip a pinky into it I was more than welcomed to do so. I was happy enough to see it in the vial it was stored in. I don't doubt it was real considering how much was laying around on paper in that particular location. Thanks for the input I doubt I'll ever attempt it. I knew after a certain dose doing more was useless/foolish but I was interested in how the character changed at those doses. The person that offered it to me has claimed to have done it so I'll ask them for details next time I see them.

Are there any verified reports of non-psychotic reactions? I've heard second hand stories of good experiences but they are always very short on the details. I'm also interested in duration because I've heard reports of multiple days with peak effects lasting 24+ hours.
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A "peak" lasting that long would be psychotic or manic experiences stemming from LSD, which could still be glowing. High doses do seem to last longer as drug experiences, though. But when I ate crystal LSD it was hard to tell as I was doing a shitton of other drugs at the time including repeated LSD experiences and this is probably often the case. I also was pretty manic partly probably due to tripping, partly due to dopamine bleedover at high doses, and partly because I was excited about the whole thing. It was a perfect storm, really. The story is crazy and not one I'm going to share publicly at length because of the self-incrimination and dry-snitching issues it would involve (anyone touching such amounts is definitionally a drug dealer and not a small time one, so there's not a lot of lore about it for obvious reasons), but suffice to say the totality of circumstances had me really in a crazy headspace. I also started tripping in the process of laying blotter. Now, LSD absorbing through the skin is a myth for all intents and purposes, but still, the doses are so tiny it's pretty much bound to happen that you catch a dose one way or another unless you're using PPE.

BTW re: Chinacat's shroomery bullshittery, I should clarify it is possible that he was involved in a particular weird cult that did thumbprints as a sort of hazing, but it wasn't at all a common practice, as he makes it out to be. LSD crystal is and was just sold as another item of commerce if you are connected well enough.
 
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at 500 ug i will still have strong visuals 14-16 hours in and by 18 hours ill be more baseline and probably have to have some sleep at 24 hours. The visuals usually last for a long time but the headspace comes back faster to baseline. even 1000 ug you will be back at baseline within 24 hours.
 
I had to laugh when I read SKL's post about the whole thumbprint thing beause he is right on by calling BS. First off I was late to the Grateful Dead scene, 1980 was my first show. I was taken by my older brother that had been going for some years in the 70's. I can say as long as I went I never heard of thumbprints until I came to Bluelight or the Shroomery many years later. But I remember that Chinacat dude spouting all that. (I never argued, hey a wise man does not argue) Another thing that irritated me was the best thing about the Grateful Dead scene was everyone that went was in the Heart of Gold band and the last thing this scene needed was an "initiation". (this was not the Manson family) Yup people took many hits, I took many hits, sometimes for a few days in a row, but never heard of thumbprinting. Most new of the saturation point that SKL talks about. I experienced it. One day I took 28 blotters that were 150 mics each and learned of the saturation point first hand. So much acid that it went full circle and I could be totally sober for a few minutes. Yes it was strong, but I remember thinking 6 of the blotters took me further out. It was like Einstein said, go far enough into space and you are back where you started. So someone taking ungodly amounts was a waste. Taking a few days off and taking 500 mics is about as far as I could go. I think one of the most noteworthy things about acid then was how cheap it was. For a small period of time acid was "seeded" and sold to friends who gave a lot away. Profit was not part of it when it came to acid and shows. People sold food, artwork, and shirts for a little profit to make it to the next show.

So the whole thumbprinting and initiation stuff must have been born after Jerry Garcia died and by newer and younger heads that wanted a cool story to tell. (as far as I know at least) And anytime someone says "the family" I laugh too. Everyone was family, and sure a lot of us knew other well known people in the scene, but that word family I had not heard until years later on message boards by people that were too young to have been to shows. Initiation LOL. I still laugh.
 
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JackARoe said:
Noted (hey I can pluck knowledge off a board and store it away)

DXM, Salva? Yee Haw. I would imagine some of those combos are new drug territory. I iwill say never tried DXM alone. Almost did. Couldn't get myself to do it. I love eading the reports though. But I mention Salvia only as a possible plant based dissociative. Different I know but they all seem to be different even as a chemical. But Amanitas have intrigued me'for as long as I studied mushrooms and not many people are knowledgable and post about them, at least lately.
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Best things in life are free. ;) I'm continuing the research behind the scenes, I'm just being careful because there are mental hazards to be found in the plethora of effects it allows. So wanna map those out before I get people too excited. Toasted (afterwards put in the oven until brown) they appear to be super safe though.. at least if you don't proceed to go out partying and combine with everything present, right @Buzz Lightbeer? :P

Even sub-tripping amounts of DXM go well with salvia. Bigger rips when cough is suppressed! :D 👾 🚀
 
So this coming Weekend I have a really big event coming, it is a Wedding and I'm quite nervous to tell the truth. I've never been good at those situations and as you know i can no longer drink Alcohol due to my health problems. But due to the fact that i am a highly experienced tripper I have begun to formulate a new plan for the event. I was planning on taking a single 100ug dose of ALD-52 which for me will have me at a +++ most likely.

But for all intense and purposes I am VERY good at keeping my shit together on Psychs and have no issue being in public on them. When ever I take Acid I have a grin from ear to ear all day and I just love talking to people and laughing. It will make it a memorable experience for me but needless to say I will not be telling anybody else I will be under the influence as they may be concerned I'll act like a weirdo. This is not going to happen and you can be rest assured. You see if I can get some type of downer by then I would opt for that but I'm not sure if it's going to be getting here in time, and I'd rather not mention what it is for personal reasons.

One great thing about the ALD-52 is that if I dose it at 2pm it will carry me through the whole event and into the night. It has a long duration which is exactly what I'm looking for. If I had any DOC left over I would have dosed that in the morning but I am all out sadly and don't know when or if I'm going to be getting more. The negation for it is in the process but the time frame is vague, I really hope it works out because I wanna take a DOx so fucking badly. Not this weekend but the following one when I am given two days off I will be taking 4mgs of DOPr and writing the trip report on it but I still wanna have a nice stash of DOC to keep around hopefully for years to come.

What do you guys think of my plans?
 
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So this coming Weekend I have a really big event coming, it is a Wedding and I'm quite nervous to tell the truth. I've never been good at those situations and as you know i can no longer drink Alcohol due to my health problems. But due to the fact that i am a highly experienced tripper I have begun to formulate a new plan for the event. I was planning on taking a single 100ug dose of ALD-52 which for me will have me at a +++ most likely.

But for all intense and purposes I am VERY good at keeping my shit together on Psychs and have no issue being in public on them. When ever I take Acid I have a grin from ear to ear all day and I just love talking to people and laughing. It will make it a memorable experience for me but needless to say I will not be telling anybody else I will be under the influence as they may be concerned I'll act like a weirdo. This is not going to happen and you can be rest assured. You see if I can get some type of downer by then I would opt for that but I'm not sure if it's going to be getting here in time, and I'd rather not mention what it is for personal reasons.

One great thing about the ALD-52 is that if I dose it at 2pm it will carry me through the whole event and into the night. It has a long duration which is exactly what I'm looking for. If I had any DOC left over I would have dosed that in the morning but I am all out sadly and don't know when or if I'm going to be getting more. The negation for it is in the process but the time frame is vague, I really hope it works out because I wanna take a DOx so fucking badly. Not this weekend but the following one when I am given two days off I will be taking 4mgs of DOPr and writing the trip report on it but I still wanna have a nice stash of DOC to keep around hopefully for years to come.

What do you guys think of my plans?
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I think they will work out great. That is not that high of a dose and even though I have never done ALD-52 knowingly, I find acid easy to handle around other people.
 
@Cosmic Charlie, As long as you are around easygoing people, tripping in crowds can be fun. At 'museum doses' of course, I actually find words start to flow quite freely on most psychedelics.

It's easy to describe what's on my mind, often through unusual metaphors, without having to anxiously search a mental dictionary for the right words and expressions. Makes talking fun at times where I would typically try to limit conversation.

Mushrooms are the only psychedelic where I've experienced considerable difficulty speaking. They can make very simple things seem complex and complex things seem simple.

@somnilicious That's what I got lined up for next weekend. Will be the first time I've had mushrooms and DMT at the same time. Been waiting a while to try and that mix.
 
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@Cosmic Charlie, As long as you are around easygoing people, tripping in crowds can be fun. At 'museum doses' of course, I actually find words start to flow quite freely on most psychedelics.

It's easy to describe what's on my mind, often through unusual metaphors, without having to anxiously search a mental dictionary for the right words and expressions. Makes talking fun at times where I would typically try to limit conversation.

Mushrooms are the only psychedelic where I've experienced considerable difficulty speaking. They can make very simple things seem complex and complex things seem simple.

@somnilicious That's what I got lined up for next weekend. Will be the first time I've had mushrooms and DMT at the same time. Been waiting a while to try and that mix.
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I am not a big fan of shrooms but the combo was out of this world. I was not enjoying the night until I hit the changa however. It is really making me wonder what a DMT blast on LSD would do for me.
 
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I am not a big fan of shrooms but the combo was out of this world. I was not enjoying the night until I hit the changa however. It is really making me wonder what a DMT blast on LSD would do for me.
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I liked the trip report you wrote. Sounds like you didn't really trust the people you were with all that much?

I really like mushrooms, DMT I find quite.. heavy. I'm hoping to find it nicer on mushrooms than on it's own.

Tried it on mescaline a few months ago, very pleasant feeling and sense of tranquility.

Smoked changa on acid once years ago, the heavy DMT feel replaced the good acid vibe, but I've heard other people say they enjoyed it.
 
Another combo you guys should try which is downright breathtaking is Mushrooms and Mescaline. The first trip I'd had on it was one of the most profound journeys I had been on in years. The way I dosed it was like this and I'm pretty sure it's the best way you can. The Mescaline was broken in three equal piles by the way and put into gelcaps.

1st was the Mescaline.

2nd was the Mushrooms and Mescaline 30mins later.

3rd was the last of the Mescaline 30 mins later.

Taking it like this prevente any sort of Nausea and they both peaked at the same time. The OEV's were incredible complex Geometric Patterns covering my entire visual field slow moving and incredibly realistic. This painting by Alex Grey is a perfect example at the beauty unfolding before my eyes. It simply blew my mind and the Mental Trip I went on was another level as well and something i could never forget for the rest of my days.

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