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^You're not the only passionless person around xammy.

Yeah, for sure not. But I feel completely different than before that 3meopcp shit. Maybe it's the age. Maybe it's my own fault. But I feel like shit. I can't compare it to how it could be. But I would like to meet disso-lovers if they feel the same.
 
Hi. I am new in this forum and my english is not good but i have a little more experience in the use psychodelics, nootropic drugs, etno plant. I am interested in health and smartdrugs.


btw. i think, that be active in this forum, i will learn english through practice ;p

my first question on this social talk,
is there anyone who can take 2C-P and have no increasing tolerance or very slowly increasing for this substance? A few years ago I took 2C-P for example 7-10 days and worked fine.
 
You took it 7-10 days in a row???

Psychedelics do produce a fast tolerance and in generally require a doubling of dosage. In my experience the 2C series is a little more forgiving in this regard and can at times become "Bingingable".

In a perfect world we would all be spreading out our trips by a month but two weeks seems like a common amount for active tripping psychonauts. But sometimes people go more frequently for periods once a week or less, I've been in one of those for months.

It doesn't surprise me you were still feeling psychedlic effects but im sure you had some type of dimensioning returns?

What kind of doses are we talking?
 
Yes, 7-10 days in a row. It not be microdosing. The dosage was 10-12 (maybe 14, but iam not sure). Every day. But it only work for 2C-P. For LSD i must rest 1-2 week (in accordance with what you wrote). For tryphamines as 4-HO- (MET or MiPT) tolerance increasing slowly, but increasing. Maybe i can take full dose 2 times on week. three days on interval.


What does mean "Bingingable"?

edit: what could be reason for the no tolerance for 2C-P? In general the phenyloethyloamines not normal working for me. Amphetamine calms me down. example 2C-P in 12mg dosage i can normal function, i can work and study (OEV is not problem), it little stimulatin me at the same time calms me down such as: coffie and alprazolam.
 
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When i said bingable i was kinda meaning a drug in which you can take many times in a row without as much of a tolerance issue. With 2C-P there is definetly some type of one forming but it seems like your just pushing past it with big doses. That's a potent and long lasting Phenethylamine.

Generally Psychedlics are self-regulating and eventually you just want to stop because your so exhausted from being in the state so long. I know what the multi-day thing ia like though but its not really advisable harm reduction. Recently I used 4-AcO-DMT for four days straight. And also during that binge id used Amphetamine, 2C-EF and 4-HO-MET on seperate days mixed in.

I love tripping ? ✨
Such an invigorating way to live
 
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Wtf, you took 2C-P 10 days in a row??? It is one of my favorite drugs ever, but even one of its 16 hour lasting trips is exhausting enough for me to not want it again for at least a couple of months.

Very cool, anyway, that you found that somehow it didnt build tolerance (what kind of doses where you taking? Were you upping the dose each consecutive day?), but I still would never think of dosing it two days in a row, lol.
 
That's very unusual that you didn't build tolerance. So it only seems to be 2C-P that does this?

Welcome, by the way. :) Nice to see a new face in the social thread. We have a few members who have greatly improved their English because of posting here so I think you have a pretty solid plan. ;)
 
Wow you guys... last night I played a show with my original band. We lost our bass player on the first of the month, which is a good thing, because he is basically a loser. He never paid rent to my guitar player for 4 months, and for a month he'd been telling him that someone else was moving in and he needed to move out. He even told him he could stay on the couch for free. The dude was like "he's not getting MY fucking room" and stuff like that. Then when the other guy moved in, he flipped his shit, said a bunch of crazy stuff, broke some things, and stole a couple hundred dollars worth of stuff, and claimed it was a total surprise and he had no idea this was going to happen. My friend is thinking of taking him to small claims court over it. Anyway, needless to say, he's out of the band. But, this week we have 2 shows, the one last night, and another Saturday, so it was terrible timing. But a girl that my guitar player works with said her boyfriend is a bass player and he was interested in filling in. So on Tuesday we had him practice with us. Turns out he's amazing, and he also loves our EP and listens to it a lot. We taught him most of the songs, and he picked them up insanely quickly. Also we jammed (full improv) and the jams were so tight, he's a great listener, and in school for music.

Anyway we didn't even get a chance to go over all the songs we were gonna play, so I was kind of worried about it. But the show kicked ass! Probably the best we've ever sounded. I couldn't believe we only played together once, he remembered almost every single intricacy we taught him. The booking guy for the venue was there and afterwards he said he loved it and that we need to come back on a Saturday when there would be more people (lots more people there on Saturdays). Another cool thing was that these 2 guys showed up before the show and I was outside smoking a cig, and they asked me if this is where <insert band name> is playing tonight. I was like yeah, that's my band. They started fan boying on me! They said they were from Myrtle Beach and came all the way here to see us, they'd been listening to our CD and soundcloud and were really excited to hear some space funk. I was thinking wow, we haven't even played out a lot, how the fuck did two guys from like 8 hours away become fans? Anyway they were so into it, by the end there weren't a lot of people left but these guys were dancing their asses off and freaking out, and afterwards were totally geeking out about it. They totally made my night, I would have been bummed to play to a nearly empty room except there were people there who were as into it as anyone I've ever seen and who truly appreciated it... it made it worthwhile. :) Really looking for to the show on Saturday, it's gonna be even better and we'll have a larger crowd and be playing in a way nicer venue with an outdoor stage (the place we played last night is indoors and in a concrete room and the acoustics are famously terrible... and we're a loud as fuck band, it's been described as a wall of sound).

And in other music news, with my other band, just like 20 minutes ago, I got a text from the lead guy of a band that we're opening for in 2 weeks (actually we're playing 3 shows in 3 nights, all with them). He said for the last night of the run, his keyboard player has an emergency and can't play and he said he's been listening to our live recordings online and really likes what I play and wanted to know if I could sit in as their keyboard player for that one night. He showed me the music and it reminds me a whole lot of Jamiroquai, who I fucking love. It's kind of intimidating because every song has sheet music, like full, written out parts, and they're not easy. And we will have no chance to rehearse together even once (they're from somewhere not anywhere near where I live). He told me he likes what I play so he's totally down with me going my own way with it and not expecting me to play exactly, and he's sure I'll do a good job. I thought about it a bit because it's pretty intimidating and then I accepted... basically because I keep trying to put myself in intimidating/new musical situations because I always learn a ton and grow as a player. These songs have some jazzy chord progressions that I recognize but am unfamiuliar with playing, but I have been wanting to venture into some other realms like that. Now I'll be forced to. I'm nervous but excited. Feels pretty fucking good that I got requested because they specifically wanted me to do it!

I'm putting more and more time and energy into music. With this new bass player in my original band, he has a ton of connections to venues and wants to book us at more places around town, so I'll probably be playing a lot more shows with them too. It's gonna be crazy but the best kind of crazy. At this point I'm putting at least 30 hours a week into music, if not more. It's a second full-time job, most of my free time is during my actual job because I sit at my computer and generally have a lot of gaps of time with nothing to do. Like almost exclusively I post at Bluelight during work. Fortunately my job lets me work from the road... bring a power inverter and turn on the mobile hotspot and I can work while we're traveling. It's perfect.

Haha oh shit, my guitar player just told me that the guy whose band I'm filling in for is from Brooklyn and he thinking he can use this to get them to bring us up there to play some gigs. Shit's happening man. %) Charlie you might get to come to a show soon!
 
Fuck yeah Bro that is literally what I was thinking the moment I read that. This is the perfect place for you to come play shows. The music scene in Brooklyn's pretty epic and it's a really Psychedelic Sorta Vibe in these parts. Id be there for sure needless to say Tripping Out to some Space Funk on a 2C-Something.

Can't wait man, this is exciting :D
 
That's great Xork, looking forward to the eventual EU tour! ;)

Happy 2019 everyone :)
Had a pretty fun NYE with my girl and a couple other friends, took a 3-FEA + 2-FMA combo, which was nice. Kinda similar to 4-FA like I had expected. Went to a nearby city where they have the most awesome new year celebration ever, with thousands of people partying on the streets until the sunrise.
Found this post when searching for info about 3-FEA. I've had it for ages, but only tried it once with very slight effects (70mg iirc). What dosages did you take?
Kinda hesitant on the 2-FMA, but if it really combines well I want to try it.

Most people talk about dosages in the low 100s or even less. I recall that if you really want to roll you should go for 150-200mg at least, but can't find much about it, and about 200mg is all I have left :)
 
I had 3-FEA once, I got a ~200mg sample maybe? Can't remember. I dosed it all in 1 day and it was really nice, relatively mild but very pleasurable and basically no downsides. I dosed like 100mg maybe? And then redosed a couple of times. I can't remember the dosages for sure.
 
Wow Xorkoth, your music career is really starting to bloom, so exciting!

About 3-FEA, I've tried it three times, only once on its own. My GF and I took both 40 mg the first time trying it, and it was warm and kinda sedating, we had sex and then fell asleep roughly four hours after dropping. It was mild but nice still.

For the NYE I was referencing on that post, I took 80 mg + 25 mg of 2-FMA. It was pretty stimulating at that dosage, couldn't sleep for like 24 hours and only did because we took benzos at t+20. It felt much nicer than on its own.

Another time I took it coming down from 4-FA. When the "rolly" part had ended, and the amphetamine stimulation still remained, I took45 mg if I remember correctly. It brought back the euphoria from the 4-FA, but it also caused a cloudier headspace and a weirdly sedating body high, similar to a high dose of MDMA.

I heard 3-FEA really shines as an empathogen at dosages over 100 mg, but haven't been so adventurous with it so far.
 
Cosmic Charlie and dear others. Now I should describe one of my trips on 2C-P. I think that it was unusual incredible.

Once, I decided to consume a large amount of MAOI for 2 weeks to see if phenylethylamine (PEA) really works. When the time came, not knowing the consequences, I decided to take not a PEA, but a very high dose (i dont remember maybe >25mg) of 2C-P - which is phenylethylamine. The effect was amazing. This is not about the psychedelic state, but about its length. 270h kept me on a 12-14h trip basis: up to peak and down to blank, then replay. And so for so many hours. Psychedelic cycle. The question was, did I sleep during this period? Of course. It was impossible to not sleep. However, it was not a dream, or rather an inception, because as soon as I fell asleep, I found myself in a "parallel world" where I spent the whole day and fell asleep in inception, hitting the next inception. In this way I survived much more than 270 hours on psychedelics. For a few days I couldn't tell if what was around me was reality or a projection of my mind. Everything was so intense that I have seen the world differently since then. I notice depth. Anyway, for half a year after this "hyper-trip" I had light hallucinations, HPPD and sharpening of the senses, increased concentration and memory skills, multiple divisions of attention and ... I saw black figures everywhere - shadow people. Maybe not quite everywhere, but in many places especially. At the cemetery too. Was it just an illusion? To be honest, I can't tell but one thing I know. They appeared, evoked a panic fear that I learned to accept. I learned to accept their presence and thus extinguished my fear (since childhood) of darkness. I wonder. Was it a view of parallel worlds? Shadow people seemed intelligent and as if invading the mind. Did you have something similar?
 

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Yeah thanks, it is super exciting. :) I was just doing it because I love music and want to spend my time doing it, and playing with other people. I used to active say I was not interested in going on the road. But little by little there were opportunities and I took them and I love where it's going and I have realized that this is something I really want enough to spend the intense amount of time and energy into it that it requires.

I wish I could remember the dosage of 3-FEA but it was either 70mg or 90mg I think, plus redoses. I remember it felt rolly for sure, but pretty mild. I could see it being lovely at high dosages. As for 4-FEA, I really don't like the stuff. It's the mongiest serotonin releaser I've tried, no dopaminergic component, it makes me feel lazy and kind of stunned, it has a very heavy head presence and always gives me a bad headache later on. I don't feel like talking or anything either. The body high is very strong and it's pleasurable, but that's it, and the crash is awful, the next day my heart will be pounding for hours and hours and I feel like shit. I'll never take it again. It's funny how much different it is from 4-FA and 4-FMA. Also 4-FMA is nowhere near as good as 4-FA, it's like dirtier meth. Whereas 4-FA is beautifully empathogenic and lovely, on par with MDMA in my opinion.
 
Wow blackgoku, you're lucky you didn't get injured or die by combining a high dose of 2C-P with an MAOI. That experience sounds really intense. I've had "inceptions" too (usually without drugs), where I wake up out of multiple levels of dreams and think each one is real at the time, and even once I entered a new dream inside a dream so I went a level deeper. So much so that it sometimes makes me wonder whether I'm currently dreaming and will wake up at some point in my bed. But I never actually think to wonder if I'm dreaming when I'm actually dreaming, I realize the inception that I just woke up from was a dream but I always think I'm awake. I can tell when I'm really awake because I'll wonder whether I am.

Except for one time... I was in a dream I couldn't escape that was an alternate reality where I was insane and my parents had to take care of me... it was horrible, and I figured I was definitely dreaming for a while and gradually came to accept it was real and that I had been dreaming my "real" life all along like my parents were saying, because it seemed 100% real and I wasn't waking up no matter how much I tried to. I had that dream when I was abusing AMT and some nights I would have sleep paralysis and after that would have the most intensely realistic and vivid dreams that were always about something apocalyptic or terrible.
 
I've never taken an MAOI with a psychedelic on top in that fashion or had a single Phenethylamine dose last that long. But I do have HPPD symptoms from heavy use of 2C-E and it's brethren, it's somewhat common for this family of Psychedlics to cause it in people who "abuse" them.

It doesn't bother me to a point it like ruins my day but i have definite visual alterations ans it's been like that over 10 years now since my first big Phenethylamine binges. Concerning Shadow People the times it would take place was during MDPV binges once I'd hit the 4-5 day mark. That was a hell of a Stimulant and it's cheap cost and high potency would be a recipe for Psychosis. Haven't had it happen on a psychedelic before though.
 
hell of stimulants was (for me) 2 and no more times on alpha-PVP ;-) (sound of children crying when they killing, a hair dryer that played rock music, everyone knew what I was taking, even eavesdropping on me through the wall and checking everything for eavesdropping. paranoia) never again.

You write about inception. Maybe you take Amanita muscaria?

Xorkoth I didn't feel that bad. I bent with stimulants many times. e.g. ethylphenidate.,2fma, 4fma 190 pulse . On 2C-P propably i have never got even bodyload. Only mindfck ;-) It is good lesson, that dont take imao with superactive psychodelic PEA's group substances.
 
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Yes, I have experienced the Amanita Muscaria many year's ago in my youth. In fact it was one of earliest Psychedlics i came in contact with. There was one trip in which I ate two Large Caps and went into a deep dissociated trance like state. It felt like time was coming down to a slow crawl and I was sweating quite a bit. Very dreamy like state of mind indeed.

It would be interesting to explore again ?
 
I eventually took 150mg 3-FEA + 50mg insufflated an hour later. It was nice but much more subtle than expected. It has long tails though, still awake desperately in search of a nice afterparty but it probably won't happen.

I brought it to a festival in my tent but never took it, so maybe it lost some potency. I was initially planning on taking 2-FMA with it but I managed to lose it. I should write a report, there's not a lot to tell but there's not much to be found on dosages > 100mg

Anyway, nice experiment, but I shouldn't take serotonergic drugs this much. Going on a break with them, I think I would have just as much fun sober, but I like to take drugs too much.

Mostly looking forward to trying San Pedro for real now, but it has to be the perfect day for it, have a good day/week everybody.
 
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