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Misc Passionflower?

Jabberwocky

Jabberwocky

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Anyone have any experience with passionflower for opioid withdrawal or simply general anxiety/sleep purposes?

It seems promising, a lot of people on reddit are claiming it helps quite a bit for withdrawal.

Just curious if anyone has any experience with it. Definitely not trying to get high here, just looking for relief and sleep.

Studies show it's a lot more promising and active compared to crap like valerian.
 
Never tried it. Do you have any on hand or were just going to get it if people recommended it?

I see from your other posts that you are finally feeling a bit better. Glad to hear it. <3
 
Nurse Ratched said:
Let me know if it helps
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it certainly seems to be taking the edge off, but difficult for me to separate from placebo right now. I'm going to play around with the dose. I do feel a bit sedated, but again could just be lack of sleep.

there is a study that shows it's very effective when combined with clonidine for opiate withdrawal
 
Endopharm said:
It's effective, but I'd look at combining it with a low dose of kava kava
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Endopharm said:
Remember these are legal plants, don't expect too much "drug like effects"
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yeah wasn't expecting much at all, but it does seem to help a little

I tried some kava the other day and it seemed to give me this uncomfortable rush of adrenaline after the initial effects wore off and kept me up all night, but I have some other things going on other than withdrawal which could explain that. Could have been kavain which I believe is a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
 
Interesting. I'd like to hear more about your experiences if you try again. I still haven't experimented with the magnolia bark extract (honokiol & magnolol) that I have, but plan to. I also dug up some old valerian root capsules and was going to try that as a possible booster for benzos, but the smell is so disgusting that I've been reluctant.
 
JTemperance said:
Interesting. I'd like to hear more about your experiences if you try again. I still haven't experimented with the magnolia bark extract (honokiol & magnolol) that I have, but plan to. I also dug up some old valerian root capsules and was going to try that as a possible booster for benzos, but the smell is so disgusting that I've been reluctant.
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I remember the first time I tried valerian root capsules. I was appalled at the smell and literally had to gag them down. They worked for me though and I got some sleep.
 
so, according to this study passionflower's effect comes from increasing GABAergic neuron activity as well as increasing melatonin, and to a much lesser extent serotonin, in the brain. So it's basically like a better version of melatonin pills.

it does have some calming effect but did not help me sleep last night, the withdrawals overpower it

I want to sleep so damn badly >_< only got 1 hour again last night
 
try orexin 1 &2 antagonists for sleeping, my one worked wonders, just beiing tired is great without the benzo fuzz...
 
i think i had Suvorexant. good dose, i really needed to get into bed and even was agitated.
 
Nurse Ratched said:
I remember the first time I tried valerian root capsules. I was appalled at the smell and literally had to gag them down. They worked for me though and I got some sleep.
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Did the taste come back up in your mouth afterwards? That's what I've really been dreading – I think I could face the smell in the name of science, but a taste like that might be too much.
 
i had extract 100/1 from ebay, even snorted it, it was really nice somehow serotonergic, a hydroxylated flavonoid. i believe it was mainly Isovitexin.
 
It's weak, too weak when used in normal concentrations. I once downed 3/4 of a passionflower syrup bottle when normally one'd use one cap full. Gave me similar experience like @izo describes but weaker. So u definitely want the extracts and as potent as possible.

@negrogesic Interesting, didn't know about kava being a NRI. Explains some odd things about it but primarily I am wanting to get rid of that taste. Extraction methods welcome...

Nurse Ratched said:
I remember the first time I tried valerian root capsules. I was appalled at the smell and literally had to gag them down. They worked for me though and I got some sleep.
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Valerian never did nothing for me, again good part of a bottle. Just taste (but this time I actually liked it, different but similar to 2-methyl-2-butanol, the menthe alcohol. Tasty!). Like the 'miracle fruit' noni which even contains a MAOI but it must be only traces.

JTemperance said:
Did the taste come back up in your mouth afterwards? That's what I've really been dreading – I think I could face the smell in the name of science, but a taste like that might be too much.
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Yeah it does.
 
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