Oxycontin to Heroin - Climbing the Opiate Ladder

[What was it?]

very interesting points gentleman... myself and friends (educated professionals-- CPA / LAWYER) find OC to be the most addicting substance imaginable. The thing that makes it so fucking bad, is when you CAN afford to get OC daily...

I have heard other people say OC is more addictive than Heroin too, and I think I know why....

OC you can do at any time of the day--- Morning, afternoon, night, and it will give you energy that you can be productive with.

Heroin addicts are often productive with their dose, but Heroin is undoubtedly more sedating and to have a sedating substance like that in your everyday lifestyle is more difficult than OC.

this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO true. Oxys you can fit in....people wont notice if you dont hit them REAL hard. Heroin you're gone......even an idiot would notice ur high and its hard to dose. Hence for professional with some form of selfdiscipline H on the odd Saturday morning is the safer option that OCs ever, as you can jsut do 2 or 3 or 4 of this if you had a stressful day. With H its a much bigger deal and IMHO you need to take time for H....somewhat like an LSD trip....not so with OC.

 

[What was it?]

The economics of H make sense... the $60 of H I bought has lasted far longer than I would have ever imagined it to. My conversion seems to feel that 0.2 of tar is like 40mg of OC to me in terms of its ability to get me high & stave withdrawals. Its SOOO acidic though if I had a nasal or plugging habit i'd probably burn my ass/nose off, and who wants to smoke pure tar everyday? Talk about a one way ticket to emphysema land... It tastes like ass, and kills your veins so you really dont want to shoot it all the time (maybe a micron filter would do something?). You always tend to get what you pay for in this world...

OC's a classier, safer, better drug that supports a more productive lifestyle... The typical ROAs of snorting or oral make it way safer (sure oyu can nasal tar but FUCK.. OW). thats why people are willing to pay so much more for it I guess.

.2 H equals 40mg OC? Gosh tar sucks vs white H......unbelievable.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

.2 H equals 40mg OC? Gosh tar sucks vs white H......unbelievable.

I guess I can sort of believe that, but from what I hear from people I know, white H is incredibly so much more expensive. I'm sure more than $60 a gram.

 

[lozgod]

I guess I can sort of believe that, but from what I hear from people I know, white H is incredibly so much more expensive. I'm sure more than $60 a gram.

I wish I could find a gram of about 70% pure white H for that price. That would be a gift straight from God himself.

Curiosity makes me want to get a scale that weighs milligrams just to see how much is really in a bundle (13 bags) of white H. Rules against price posting but I will say that price is on the mark regarding what I pay for a bundle. I know it's not close to a gram but lasts me a day. A gram of white H would probably last me a good 3 or 4 days. I know what a gram looks like from buying grams of raw Bmore dope and I am guessing a bundle is about a 4th of that eye balling it.

Couldn't find any H today so I bought 11 5mg IR Opanas and am shooting them. Looks like blue kool aid as it enters my vein. A year ago I would of said no way would I be shooting God knows what in to my veins but I'm on my way to the top of the ladder. I think you climb, climb, then you either fall off and get clean or die. The ladder can't have a good thing at the top of it considering what happens on the climb.

I remember it all started with 10mg percs. Now I'm banging pills that are probably killing me. I've been hacking up nasty phlegm for a week, could have pneumonia, who knows but can't go to the hospital out of fear of them seeing the track marks and the hospital is my desperation dealer good for 10 5mg percs if all else fails.

What a life.

 

[Droppersneck]

At least you have the option of H. In nashville it doesnt exist : (

 

[phoenix_risin]

I've been hacking up nasty phlegm for a week, could have pneumonia, who knows but can't go to the hospital out of fear of them seeing the track marks and the hospital is my desperation dealer good for 10 5mg percs if all else fails.

What a life.

I think it is something in the Bmore dope whatever that cut is (even in the so called raw) is messing folks up.
I went off the wagon not long ago and I was so bad i could not breath i ended up on a nebulizer and oxygen. I only rolled for a week
Once I stopped doing the dope (methadone) i cleared up breathing wise no problem. I have a friend that ended up with a infection in his heart sac so I can so relate

The thing is once a Opiate addict and you go there it is hard as heck to come back


@ OP
You are going to do you but believe me when i say as someone said above you are already an opiate addict and believe me it gets harder and harder to get off and you will be battling it for life
So well in all honesty that month out your life Yea that may be a darn good idea
Just saying what i wish someone would have told me 30 years ago

 

[Idiot Stick]

I think it is something in the Bmore dope whatever that cut is (even in the so called raw) is messing folks up.
I went off the wagon not long ago and I was so bad i could not breath i ended up on a nebulizer and oxygen. I only rolled for a week
Once I stopped doing the dope (methadone) i cleared up breathing wise no problem. I have a friend that ended up with a infection in his heart sac so I can so relate

The thing is once a Opiate addict and you go there it is hard as heck to come back


@ OP
You are going to do you but believe me when i say as someone said above you are already an opiate addict and believe me it gets harder and harder to get off and you will be battling it for life
So well in all honesty that month out your life Yea that may be a darn good idea
Just saying what i wish someone would have told me 30 years ago

I've been pondering the same lately OP. I'm a chronic pain patient without insurance so I have to something to help with pain/withdrawls when I run out of my meds. 120 2mg dill & 90 30mg OC - I have great hook ups in Mexico for tar and anything else - but from what I have heard people who have used oxycontin for a long time, is that they aren't really impressed with H. I would smoke it, never shoot it. btw. I know everyone says this, but I'll run this by you pros. A little background:

I do a better job than anyone I know of weaning of my pills to avoid withdrawal. I'm also very used to going through withdrawals as my ex fiance was hooked on my prescriptions and before I cut everything off, I would withdrawal every single month almost for a good 2 years. Not saying it's fun or immune but some people can handle it better than others right? I'm an adult and know my body pretty well and have NEVER had problems craving ANY drug - coke,any pill, meth. For example, when I do feel like doing blow (few times a year) i'll get a ball and just chip away at it when I need a boost no problem. Use it to bring girls back from the bars!I like to think I have great self control and do routinely go on tolerance breaks for 1 to 2 weeks 2/3 times a year probably where I wont even smoke weed.

I am a young adult, 28 that is naturally opiate tolerant too. Would this be something that could hold me over for the 2 weeks or 1 week if i need to? Thoughts?

 

[lman_15]

I have heard other people say OC is more addictive than Heroin too, and I think I know why....

OC you can do at any time of the day--- Morning, afternoon, night, and it will give you energy that you can be productive with.

Heroin addicts are often productive with their dose, but Heroin is undoubtedly more sedating and to have a sedating substance like that in your everyday lifestyle is more difficult than OC.

I agree completely i'm around an 80mg oxy or 60mg morphine and a 40mg oxy a day right now.. the thing is i do half my 40mg over the course of the day go to school do homework shit like that nd the other half at night just to kick it nd relax.. i don't know much about heroin but personally i would never do it.. i like oxy because i can do it when ever i feel like it, it is very discrete and although it is expensive it helps me go to school nd do homework/study

 

[jaystyle]

yea--- I can get through the day with around 30% of my total dose; its the nights that kill me. I need to be opiated to lay down in bed. I've become addicted to that feeling when you are nodding and you lay in bed and you are too high to sleep, so you lay around in bed half-awake drifting around for a few hours. I wake up tired, but I love the feeling.

To the guy who I said .2 tar to 40mg OC---- what I meant was intranasally / plugged tar. Shot, .2 tar feels like 60-80mg oc SNORTED. That is my rough analysis after playing wtih this nasty tar for a week. I ran out and am gonna stay away for a bit... even though I talked shit on it, I am starting to miss it now I must admit...

 

[BIGsherm7272]

man it sucks for you all out in cali that can only get tar.....try some east coast powder and I'm sure you will change your minds.

 

[Idiot Stick]

man it sucks for you all out in cali that can only get tar.....try some east coast powder and I'm sure you will change your minds.

see, that's what I would like to try. It's out here, just not as available as obviously mexican tar is, BUT that's cuz I know nobody that does it and have friends in TJ... But I read the tar here is a lot better than on the east coast. Is that true?

 

[jaystyle]

The tar in SO cal is probably better than Nor Cal because it is closer to the border--- thus less stepping on.

Sometimes there is like some 80% pure tar that comes around I heard and kills unsuspecting junkies who take a huge shot without testing it first. Also, another cool thing about tar, is that it has additional alkaloids in it besides heroin so you get a more broad spectrum of effects.

I wouldn't be surprised if East Coast H has a bigger rush since Tar water is thicker and moves through your veins slowly, and some gets trapped in the sappy tar and isn't readily absorbable like east coast. What do you guys thik of this theory?

 

[Dr Pepper]

I get .5's of tar and i would say .2 is equivalent to at least 100mg of oxy. Your tar sucks.

 

[phoenix_risin]

I have to admit i sometimes wish we had Tar on the East Coast.
I would so love to try smoking it. I love the high of H I no longer do it mostly because well i have no darn veins left to do it with and sniffing just does not offer that rush.

On the real though i guess it is good i am on East coast and we have none cause i could so see me falling hard and hitting bottom and well i really do not want to do that again but i know he addict in me would not let me have brains like that

I so hate the day I first IV'd anything Had i stayed with sniffing i would have been a heck of a lot better off. 8)

 

[.Lucid.]

i dont know what the big deal is really.. if youre addicted to ocs youre addicted to heroin. people rationalize their use of ocs by telling themselves its less addictive, or not as bad as dope because its cleaner or something. whatever. 8) its retarded.

personally i find the high of heroin to be much more euphoric and, strangely, i find the withdrawal symptoms pass more quickly than oxy withdrawal. those two reasons alone are good enough to switch to dope but then you realize its half the price and twice the strength.. well, the shit just sells itself.

but honestly do yourself a favor and dont even make that leap.. just quit now. and dont start shooting up! once you get addicted to the rush of shooting youre basically broken for life.

 

[phoenix_risin]

^^ Very good points

Another it is a lot easier to go to jail when chasing heroin than it is pills.
At least in my area

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Heroin is simply more addictive if you use it intravenously. Its that intense rush. I personally found OxyContin more addictive versus snorting or smoking smack, much more. I had tried Heroin before making the switch from OC to Heroin but I smoked my dope, I didn't IV. The simple reason though why I switched was due to cost. I'd say that a gram of Heroin was equivalent to my 320mg/daily OxyContin habit (0.25 H = 80mg Oxy) so I saved $100 a day making the switch. Its easy though to quickly increase your habit of Heroin because eventually I was shooting 2 grams a day. Still cheaper. After all, tar heroin is dirt cheap where I live...right next to the border.

 

[lozgod]

Heroin is simply more addictive if you use it intravenously. Its that intense rush. I personally found OxyContin more addictive versus snorting or smoking smack, much more. I had tried Heroin before making the switch from OC to Heroin but I smoked my dope, I didn't IV. The simple reason though why I switched was due to cost. I'd say that a gram of Heroin was equivalent to my 320mg/daily OxyContin habit (0.25 H = 80mg Oxy) so I saved $100 a day making the switch. Its easy though to quickly increase your habit of Heroin because eventually I was shooting 2 grams a day. Still cheaper. After all, tar heroin is dirt cheap where I live...right next to the border.

If you shot the dope you'd be saving even more money. I didn't know you could snort tar. Being on the East Coast I never seen it. I heard if you live in the Pheonix area and got the right connect you can get tar that's just as good as the white powder out here.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

If you shot the dope you'd be saving even more money. I didn't know you could snort tar. Being on the East Coast I never seen it. I heard if you live in the Pheonix area and got the right connect you can get tar that's just as good as the white powder out here.

Its called "mud". You mix in some water and then snort it.

Yes, the tar down here is really good, I read from the DEA sites somewhere that's it somewhere from 60-70%. So not quite as potent but its up there. dirt cheap.

 

[lozgod]

Its called "mud". You mix in some water and then snort it.

Yes, the tar down here is really good, I read from the DEA sites somewhere that's it somewhere from 60-70%. So not quite as potent but its up there. dirt cheap.

From the prices I hear it goes for I dont care if its tar or powder. 60-70% at those prices is a helluva deal.