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Oxycontin to Heroin - Climbing the Opiate Ladder

jaystyle

jaystyle

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Ahhh... the life of the opiate fiend. First you get some teeth removed and a pack of vicodin... once the pain in gone but the vicodins aren't, you realize when you eat 2-3 you feel warm fuzzy and happy while you watch a movie or play some games...

Then comes the oxycodone... a percocet here and there is mildly more euphoric and enjoyable than hydrocodone, but once you get into sniffing up an OC80 to the dome vicodins become child play.

Now.. OCs price have gone out the effing roof, your physically dependent and your brain has been fuck wired into not being able to function without opiates. Logically you should donate a month of your life to quit, but instead you prolong taking OCs even though its taking 70% of your pay... so what to do?

Heroin... If you are addicted to opiates and struggling to quit, you might as well be getting more bang for your buck, right? That is my theory.... and the story above is the story of my life if you didn't notice. My questions now:

Just how BAD is it making the jump from OC to Heroin (tar for me, i'm west coast)? One part of me tells me I can plug/nasal/smoke some H and feel good and curb my withdrawals cheaper, but the other part makes me feel like H is entirely more addicting than OC with more painful difficult withdrawals, and the potential to SUPER wire fuck my head so I'll never be able to quit.

So what do you guys think? Is it logical to go with the cheaper opiate H? Or is H a road that I can never turn back from and will ruin my life forever? Just how much worse it than OC in turns of physical and mental addiction? I dont want to be a lifelong opiate addict its just so hard for me to quit... for now, I want to know what my best choice is. Expensive OC, or cheaper H (sparingly IVd; maybe on weekends once in awhile. My lifestyle doesn't permit excessive IV use I have too much responsibility and people who care about me...cant be ruiing my veins & getting track marks and risking infections etc).

Let me know what you guys think about switching to dope until I am ready to quit opiates
 
well there are a few was to look at this.........also, i think most can relate to this story.... i went from OC 10s to heroin straight away.....

dope is, way way cheaper, so in terms on the toll an addiction takes on you monetarily, is lowered.

heroin can be horrible in WD, but so can OC..... its all relative, and dependent on ROA...
 
Personally if either way your going to be addicted your better off going with heroin, its so much cheaper
 
I made the jump for economic reasons. I went striaght to the needle. My tolerance has been leveled and not climbing but now I am in the "can't find vein stages" and wondering if this cough I have and phlegm is the result of shooting up got knows what and liquid collecting in my lungs.

I just finsihed off 3 grams of some Bmore raw over he last 4 and a half days and want to go back to oxy for the sake of my health. Was a smart move economically but now I think it's taking a toll on my body after only 4 or 5 months.

Think about the logic in it. I want to go from a pill popper to a heroin user. It's sick. I want out, its just hard to function without the outside artificial endorphins be it heroin, oxy, whatever. Wish I never started but here I am.
 
The thing is... is it really THAT much cheaper? Its got a shorter half life than OC so you need to do more to curb withdrawal, and from what I hear, IV users gain tolernace super rapidly so what starts out cheap gets very expensive later just like oc, right?

Can some of you guys tell me how much weight of H you do a day, and how long you've been doing it, and what your ROA is? I am curious how fast tolerance escalates with H...

Today I did like .5 - .6--- 2 IVs, mixed with water and snorted, plugged, even smoked some. Stayed high and happy all day, I'm guessing serious users are doing like 2 grams a day or more, and a gram a day habit is like 120mg of OC a day habit? What do you guys think... how does it all compare?
 
I think you are already a lifetime opiate addict, you don't need to become one. It's not a question of H or oxy, neither are logical. It never gets easier to quit. The easiest time is right now.

I was never going to iv drugs, but I did. I couldn't have track marks, but I do. I have people who love me and people I need to care for, but I did it anyway. Don't think that you're any different. Keep usings and you will end up in places you would never imagine. These are all your "yets". When in the throes of active addiction and/or dopesickness, you will cross every boundary of your values. It's not if, it's when.
 
I picked up some tar shortly after the OCs disappeared and i cannot believe how much more addictive OC is than heroin. It is like night and day, for me at least. Heroin = yea i want to get high but there is shit I really have to do. OC = more more more all the time!

Crazy, I think OC is insane and I am almost glad it is not so available now because I think tar heroin is safer.
 
jaystyle said:
The thing is... is it really THAT much cheaper? Its got a shorter half life than OC so you need to do more to curb withdrawal, and from what I hear, IV users gain tolernace super rapidly so what starts out cheap gets very expensive later just like oc, right?

Can some of you guys tell me how much weight of H you do a day, and how long you've been doing it, and what your ROA is? I am curious how fast tolerance escalates with H...

Today I did like .5 - .6--- 2 IVs, mixed with water and snorted, plugged, even smoked some. Stayed high and happy all day, I'm guessing serious users are doing like 2 grams a day or more, and a gram a day habit is like 120mg of OC a day habit? What do you guys think... how does it all compare?
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When I want to do a lot I'll do .5g myself, but even a little bit now a days is good for me.

I think it is better, because personally I don't have any withdrawals for a long time. From suboxone to heroin, I'm not one of those people who need a shot every few hours. 1 shot every 36 hours and I'm good without much probllems.
 
interesting

very interesting points gentleman... myself and friends (educated professionals-- CPA / LAWYER) find OC to be the most addicting substance imaginable. The thing that makes it so fucking bad, is when you CAN afford to get OC daily...

I have heard other people say OC is more addictive than Heroin too, and I think I know why....

OC you can do at any time of the day--- Morning, afternoon, night, and it will give you energy that you can be productive with.

Heroin addicts are often productive with their dose, but Heroin is undoubtedly more sedating and to have a sedating substance like that in your everyday lifestyle is more difficult than OC.
 
I went from OC10s to snorting and then shooting dope. The dope was cheaper by far than my pill habit. I didn't do tar, powder was common at the time. Took a few bags cut with fent to stop me from using opiates, my friend and I got this H and she died.
 
I personally found heroin to be more mentally addictive, however yes, it is definitely cheaper than OC. I don't think there is a one right answer to your question though. Sorry.
 
After using H for 2-3 days now, I appreciate its ability to give a potent inexpensive high. I got so high I couldn't keep my eyes open.

Oxycontin, however, is a superior drug and is more addictive IMO. The purity is always known and precise, the taste is great, and what I like best about OC is that the high is more of a "functional" high than H. H is overwhelming-- it makes me delirious, confused, and out of it. I'm pretty sure that if I continue doing H, everyone will seriously suspect something is TERRIBLY wrong with me. I dont know how anyone functions on this crap--- its really a doped up mindfuck. OC I do work on, go to social events, help my family, do my job, etc-- its more of an upper than H and gives me more clarity of mind, and a special kind of euphoria that isn't as high of magnitude as H, but hits the spot just right.

Oxycodone FTW for me--- even though i'm doing tar, I did enough to get a full H experience and although I appreciate it for the powerful opiate it is, I could never imagine switching from oxy to H =-\

The good news is the new OPS are SUPER cheap on the streets now... cheaper than your wildest imaginations (I swear--- whatever you guess the price is, what I paid today is probably HALF. I can get 5 OPS for the price of an OC now a days. Wish there was a price thread to brag but oh well =P
 
jaystyle said:
After using H for 2-3 days now, I appreciate its ability to give a potent inexpensive high. I got so high I couldn't keep my eyes open.

Oxycontin, however, is a superior drug and is more addictive IMO. The purity is always known and precise, the taste is great, and what I like best about OC is that the high is more of a "functional" high than H. H is overwhelming-- it makes me delirious, confused, and out of it. I'm pretty sure that if I continue doing H, everyone will seriously suspect something is TERRIBLY wrong with me. I dont know how anyone functions on this crap--- its really a doped up mindfuck. OC I do work on, go to social events, help my family, do my job, etc-- its more of an upper than H and gives me more clarity of mind, and a special kind of euphoria that isn't as high of magnitude as H, but hits the spot just right.

Oxycodone FTW for me--- even though i'm doing tar, I did enough to get a full H experience and although I appreciate it for the powerful opiate it is, I could never imagine switching from oxy to H =-\

The good news is the new OPS are SUPER cheap on the streets now... cheaper than your wildest imaginations (I swear--- whatever you guess the price is, what I paid today is probably HALF. I can get 5 OPS for the price of an OC now a days. Wish there was a price thread to brag but oh well =P
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Totally agree with the 2nd paragraph. I was kind of disappointed with the missing "zip" that H lacks compared to OC. I can work for hours and never feel pain in my back on OC, while H kills the pain and most other functions.

OC is some kind of nazi Uber-drug. I'm glad I got experienced with that, also fentanyl and methadone before ever doing H because I think all 3 of those are more addictive and harder to kick.
 
As you gain a tolerance to h you'll find you can function properly whilst under the influence, unless you have a massive shot! The only problem is after a while you won't be able to function without it!
 
I love the feeling of OC better. Tar is euphoric, but very morish. I've only smoked it, but I felt the need to keep smoking until I was really high. Also the next day is full of craving. After an OC binge, I could kinda slug it off. I'm Content to take 20mg of OC and just chill around and feel really good and save the rest of the 80 for another time. Ditto to the productivity and energy.

A strong opiate is a strong opiate, but there's something about Heroin...
 
I switched to tar from OC also because it was so much cheaper. 3 80mg OC = $120/daily or 1g Heroin $60/daily. I also saved money by shooting tar because lower doses were required. It was all economics. I really liked the pleasant sedation heroin provided and the nod was VERY nice but I wasn't able to function like I could on OxyContin. Oxycodone produced great euphoric energy that made the daily "have to's" to "want to's". Heroin couldn't give me that. I craved OxyContin when I turned to H still. Old habits died hard.
 
Acidtek said:
As you gain a tolerance to h you'll find you can function properly whilst under the influence, unless you have a massive shot! The only problem is after a while you won't be able to function without it!
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Well said.
 
The economics of H make sense... the $60 of H I bought has lasted far longer than I would have ever imagined it to. My conversion seems to feel that 0.2 of tar is like 40mg of OC to me in terms of its ability to get me high & stave withdrawals. Its SOOO acidic though if I had a nasal or plugging habit i'd probably burn my ass/nose off, and who wants to smoke pure tar everyday? Talk about a one way ticket to emphysema land... It tastes like ass, and kills your veins so you really dont want to shoot it all the time (maybe a micron filter would do something?). You always tend to get what you pay for in this world...

OC's a classier, safer, better drug that supports a more productive lifestyle... The typical ROAs of snorting or oral make it way safer (sure oyu can nasal tar but FUCK.. OW). thats why people are willing to pay so much more for it I guess.
 
Today instead of getting OC's as usual my friend brought me back 1/3 of an 80 and some black tar. Curiosity killed that cat..DO NOT want to make this a habit
 
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