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How can you can you consider Ket underrated? It's practically worshipped, I'd list any other dissociative besides that as underrated.
Overrated and underrated drugs
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How can you can you consider Ket underrated? It's practically worshipped, I'd list any other dissociative besides that as underrated.
pr0d1gy
Bluelighter
Over rated - Cocaine, Benzos, Ritalin and most ADD meds
Under rated - Kratom, MDE (for me better then MDMA), and oral heroin
Under rated - Kratom, MDE (for me better then MDMA), and oral heroin
burn2shine
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How's oral heroin compare to smoked/snorted heroin? How much do you have to take.
I was tempted to put non iv opiates under my "over rated" category cause Im never happy with my high, unless i take a ridiculous amount I get a slight buzz and ask myself "this is what I spent this weeks gas money on?". I guess I just have a higher tolerance than most, which fucking sucks cause I really like a good opiate buzz, whenever I want to get to where I want to be on opiates I have to spend twice as much money as my friends.
I was tempted to put non iv opiates under my "over rated" category cause Im never happy with my high, unless i take a ridiculous amount I get a slight buzz and ask myself "this is what I spent this weeks gas money on?". I guess I just have a higher tolerance than most, which fucking sucks cause I really like a good opiate buzz, whenever I want to get to where I want to be on opiates I have to spend twice as much money as my friends.
LSDMDMA&
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overrated
alc
buds
underrated
amps
2CB
MDMA
LSD
i just picked mah favorites for underrated lol..
alc
buds
underrated
amps
2CB
MDMA
LSD
i just picked mah favorites for underrated lol..
A_Speedball
Greenlighter
yeah, really. just makes me relaxed as hell without a fucked up drunkish feeling
Overrated: Opiates, Coke, MDMA,
Underrated: Alcohol, Benzos
I supposed its obvious that i like those drugs that affect the GABA receptors. But I seriously think think that people underestimate ethanol's psychoactive effects. Its a pretty heavy drug
Underrated: Alcohol, Benzos
I supposed its obvious that i like those drugs that affect the GABA receptors. But I seriously think think that people underestimate ethanol's psychoactive effects. Its a pretty heavy drug
littlesparkle
Bluelighter
overrated:benzos,weed
underrated:heroin!
rest would be about the same
underrated:heroin!
rest would be about the same
†∆†
Bluelighter
overrated-
1. E pills that you buy on the street. Why even bother you're paying like 20 bucks for a pill full of meth what a ripoff.
2. Coke. I'm very dependent on it and I have to say it's a drug not worth trying. You inevitably feel like shit later in the night, the comedown makes it not even worth it, paying 50 bucks to be high for 20 minutes is SO stupid. Seriously.
3. WEED. i'm going to get shit for this probably but I really don't like buying weed because you never REALLY know what shit the dealer has at the moment. I've had very few positive experiences with weed, i just get really antisocial and want to sleep and that's no fun for me.
Underrated-
1. I totally agree about tramadol.
2. K. shit's CRAZY
1. E pills that you buy on the street. Why even bother you're paying like 20 bucks for a pill full of meth what a ripoff.
2. Coke. I'm very dependent on it and I have to say it's a drug not worth trying. You inevitably feel like shit later in the night, the comedown makes it not even worth it, paying 50 bucks to be high for 20 minutes is SO stupid. Seriously.
3. WEED. i'm going to get shit for this probably but I really don't like buying weed because you never REALLY know what shit the dealer has at the moment. I've had very few positive experiences with weed, i just get really antisocial and want to sleep and that's no fun for me.
Underrated-
1. I totally agree about tramadol.
2. K. shit's CRAZY
TheAetherealMeadow
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Overrated:
Tobacco: I don't even understand why people smoke cigarettes. It's super addictive, damaging to your health, and the buzz is rivaled by a cup of green tea.
Alcohol: It baffles me how this is society's DOC. It makes you act like an idiot, do things you regret, and is addictive, bad for your health, and causes hangovers. I think it's only good in small to moderate amounts with weed, especially a specific combination I will describe in the "underrated" section.
Overrated but deserves its high rating:
Cannabis: It's definitely not underrated since it's very popular but I think it lives up to its overratedness. I think weed is the best drug there is not because it's earth-shattering, but rather because it's not earth-shattering. It's very versatile and you can smoke weed in almost any situation, whether you are just chilling with friends, by yourself, etc. yet you can still function in it and it still gives you a decent buzz, especially if you have little or no tolerance to it. (The CEVs I get when really baked after a T-break are amazing.)
Underrated:
Codeine: I think its relative mildness and lower addiction potential compared to other opiates is a positive quality.
Salvia: I haven't "broke through" on salvia unfortunately but I still experienced a pretty fun trip. I also really like the afterglow from salvia. It's emotionally uplifting like a weed high but without the mental fog.
Alcohol and cannabis combined, but only in a certain dose and sequence: Whenever I get drunk and stoned, I find that a specific amount of each taken in a specific order takes me to a really nice "Goldilocks zone" where I feel super relaxed, floaty, very lost in pleasant reverie, with a lot of music enhancement. I've never done DXM, but I've heard people who have mixed alcohol and weed in this way say it's kind of like a 2nd plateau DXM trip. This is what I do to reach this "Goldilocks zone":
- Take two shots, which gives me a BAC of about 0.06.
- About 20 minutes later, as I am starting to feel the alcohol buzz, I crack open a beer and smoke a bowl. When I light up a bowl I feel amazing. When my alcohol and THC levels are on their way up simultaneously, the synergy is so nice.
- I maintain the buzz with another bowl about every 45 minutes and another beer about every 90 minutes.
The range is pretty narrow however, and can be hit or miss. Just a little too little alcohol will result in an underwhelming experience, and a little too much alcohol will result in the sense of altered gravity becoming too strong and resulting in puking. IME the optimal BAC to stay at is around 0.06 to 0.10.
Tobacco: I don't even understand why people smoke cigarettes. It's super addictive, damaging to your health, and the buzz is rivaled by a cup of green tea.
Alcohol: It baffles me how this is society's DOC. It makes you act like an idiot, do things you regret, and is addictive, bad for your health, and causes hangovers. I think it's only good in small to moderate amounts with weed, especially a specific combination I will describe in the "underrated" section.
Overrated but deserves its high rating:
Cannabis: It's definitely not underrated since it's very popular but I think it lives up to its overratedness. I think weed is the best drug there is not because it's earth-shattering, but rather because it's not earth-shattering. It's very versatile and you can smoke weed in almost any situation, whether you are just chilling with friends, by yourself, etc. yet you can still function in it and it still gives you a decent buzz, especially if you have little or no tolerance to it. (The CEVs I get when really baked after a T-break are amazing.)
Underrated:
Codeine: I think its relative mildness and lower addiction potential compared to other opiates is a positive quality.
Salvia: I haven't "broke through" on salvia unfortunately but I still experienced a pretty fun trip. I also really like the afterglow from salvia. It's emotionally uplifting like a weed high but without the mental fog.
Alcohol and cannabis combined, but only in a certain dose and sequence: Whenever I get drunk and stoned, I find that a specific amount of each taken in a specific order takes me to a really nice "Goldilocks zone" where I feel super relaxed, floaty, very lost in pleasant reverie, with a lot of music enhancement. I've never done DXM, but I've heard people who have mixed alcohol and weed in this way say it's kind of like a 2nd plateau DXM trip. This is what I do to reach this "Goldilocks zone":
- Take two shots, which gives me a BAC of about 0.06.
- About 20 minutes later, as I am starting to feel the alcohol buzz, I crack open a beer and smoke a bowl. When I light up a bowl I feel amazing. When my alcohol and THC levels are on their way up simultaneously, the synergy is so nice.
- I maintain the buzz with another bowl about every 45 minutes and another beer about every 90 minutes.
The range is pretty narrow however, and can be hit or miss. Just a little too little alcohol will result in an underwhelming experience, and a little too much alcohol will result in the sense of altered gravity becoming too strong and resulting in puking. IME the optimal BAC to stay at is around 0.06 to 0.10.
Seattle_Stranger
Bluelighter
Overrated:
If all drugs were legal, I think most of the population wouldn't even touch alcohol. I love, love, LOVE it, but still agree it's really over rated.
I also think benzos are over rated (recreationally), but then again, I simply don't think they affect everyone similarly. I know so many people that crumble at the knees when I offer them a valium from my script. I don't even feel that way about opiates...I don't get it... For therapudic value though, they most certainly releive anxiety quite well. However, I think zolpidem does a better job at that than my valium or kpin does, nor did any other benzo I've had.
Zolpidem I rate in the middle. It's overrated by some, while underrated by others. I had a great time my first few times on zolpidem, however after that I simply found myself chasing a high that I never achieved again. Now, all it does is make my vision go double for a while, and then I can't remember anything, and apparently I become completely incapable of holding down a conversation. The lady says i just start saying stuff that doesn't make sense. Every now and again, though, I find myself enjoying the effects. Great for falling asleep to a movie. Again, great therapeutic value, not much recreationally, but still better than benzos.
DXM (1st and 2nd plateaus) - Silly middle-schoolish thing to do, does nothing but mess you up, barely any euphoria, no OEVs, barely any CEVs to speak of, some music enhancement, meh....
Oxy/hydrocodone - I say overrated because of the price. Feels great and all, but for the price of a decent ~4 hour oxy high, I can get kratom and have enough for several equivalent highs, longer lasting, legal and delivered to my door. Same with poppy pods. For HALF the price of one decent dose of oxy (not a lot either, I'm talking 20-25mg), I had myself and four other friends floored on pods, with pods to spare.
Underrated:
Kratom, so underrated. I've had my share of opiates, I'm no veteran that's for sure but still, I have enough experience to know what's up, and man kratom is so amazing!! For something legal and cheap, it's one of the most underrated drugs out there. It's 100% organic too....which is ALWAYS a plus.
I don't know if I should call cannabis underrated, because I'd say it's pretty damn popular, however I'm not sure it will ever get the credit it deserves. All factors considered, it's the perfect drug. I mean c'mon, our bodies have a natural OD protection to it, it's natural, promotes peace and stimulates the social senses. It's not physically addictive, smells and tastes great, has nearly no adverse health risks, and is almost legal! It's also much more accepted by society than anything else. I work at a major corporation in a fairly responsibility-intensive position, where you would think everything is strictly business, and I smoke weed REGULARLY with nearly all my coworkers, even a few 50+ers.
DXM (3rd+ plateau) - A whole new drug from the 1st and 2nd plateaus. Perfect for laying in bed, under the covers, dark room, eyes closed, headphones on. Be ready for an adventure!! not a party drug at all at this point, but a hell of a CEV experience. I feel it's pretty euphoric at this level too inspite of what i read of euphoria diminishing once past the 2nd plateau. Feels taxing on the body, brain and heart though.
There's a few others...
If all drugs were legal, I think most of the population wouldn't even touch alcohol. I love, love, LOVE it, but still agree it's really over rated.
I also think benzos are over rated (recreationally), but then again, I simply don't think they affect everyone similarly. I know so many people that crumble at the knees when I offer them a valium from my script. I don't even feel that way about opiates...I don't get it... For therapudic value though, they most certainly releive anxiety quite well. However, I think zolpidem does a better job at that than my valium or kpin does, nor did any other benzo I've had.
Zolpidem I rate in the middle. It's overrated by some, while underrated by others. I had a great time my first few times on zolpidem, however after that I simply found myself chasing a high that I never achieved again. Now, all it does is make my vision go double for a while, and then I can't remember anything, and apparently I become completely incapable of holding down a conversation. The lady says i just start saying stuff that doesn't make sense. Every now and again, though, I find myself enjoying the effects. Great for falling asleep to a movie. Again, great therapeutic value, not much recreationally, but still better than benzos.
DXM (1st and 2nd plateaus) - Silly middle-schoolish thing to do, does nothing but mess you up, barely any euphoria, no OEVs, barely any CEVs to speak of, some music enhancement, meh....
Oxy/hydrocodone - I say overrated because of the price. Feels great and all, but for the price of a decent ~4 hour oxy high, I can get kratom and have enough for several equivalent highs, longer lasting, legal and delivered to my door. Same with poppy pods. For HALF the price of one decent dose of oxy (not a lot either, I'm talking 20-25mg), I had myself and four other friends floored on pods, with pods to spare.
Underrated:
Kratom, so underrated. I've had my share of opiates, I'm no veteran that's for sure but still, I have enough experience to know what's up, and man kratom is so amazing!! For something legal and cheap, it's one of the most underrated drugs out there. It's 100% organic too....which is ALWAYS a plus.
I don't know if I should call cannabis underrated, because I'd say it's pretty damn popular, however I'm not sure it will ever get the credit it deserves. All factors considered, it's the perfect drug. I mean c'mon, our bodies have a natural OD protection to it, it's natural, promotes peace and stimulates the social senses. It's not physically addictive, smells and tastes great, has nearly no adverse health risks, and is almost legal! It's also much more accepted by society than anything else. I work at a major corporation in a fairly responsibility-intensive position, where you would think everything is strictly business, and I smoke weed REGULARLY with nearly all my coworkers, even a few 50+ers.
DXM (3rd+ plateau) - A whole new drug from the 1st and 2nd plateaus. Perfect for laying in bed, under the covers, dark room, eyes closed, headphones on. Be ready for an adventure!! not a party drug at all at this point, but a hell of a CEV experience. I feel it's pretty euphoric at this level too inspite of what i read of euphoria diminishing once past the 2nd plateau. Feels taxing on the body, brain and heart though.
There's a few others...
Pegasus
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You can't maintain a habit with kratom like you can with oxycodone. I love kratom and all, and picked it as my #1 underrated drug, too, but oxycodone is another animal entirely, IMO. If you use regularly enough (not encouraging this), I think that oxy will be the clearly more abusable choice.
Oh, and regarding the pods... Have you checked out that scene recently?
It has gotten a quite a bit shittier and way more expensive in recent months...deadprez219
Bluelighter
overrated- tramadol it doesnt do shit to help for pain, crystal meth all the aches and pains from the comedown just arn't worth it, salvia its over way too fast and way to expensive for a shitty high, nitrous over way to fast and gives me a hangover, temazapam doctors act like itll take all your sleeping problems away and thats utter crap, baclofen it does nothing to relax my muscles, Phrenilin Forte the doctor swore it'd take my headaches away and it did nothing, tylenol #3 like that was gonna help my pain when i broke my collar bone, Neurontin it didnt touch my nerve pain after the doctor swore it would give me such a better quality of like
Underrated- Ketamine it gets a bad rap cuz people dont like k-holes but i love it, ambien without it i would never get sleep, trazadone without that i'd always get night terrors, celebrex without it my joints would always be 2 sizes to big, lortab major pill users swear its too weak but if you're in constant pain like me without it i wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morninh
Underrated- Ketamine it gets a bad rap cuz people dont like k-holes but i love it, ambien without it i would never get sleep, trazadone without that i'd always get night terrors, celebrex without it my joints would always be 2 sizes to big, lortab major pill users swear its too weak but if you're in constant pain like me without it i wouldn't be able to get out of bed in the morninh
deadprez219
Bluelighter
You can't maintain a habit with kratom like you can with oxycodone. I love kratom and all, and picked it as my #1 underrated drug, too, but oxycodone is another animal entirely, IMO. If you use regularly enough (not encouraging this), I think that oxy will be the clearly more abusable choice.
Oh, and regarding the pods... Have you checked out that scene recently?
what is kratom
Harry Hood
Bluelighter
I love the stuff, but don't know many users at all. Except 2 ex- friends. But that's another story. I am aware of the fact that it's huge on the festival circuit/ jammy psyche head shows/ events.
In regards to kratom, I think I'm hard head, that, or the lb I ordered was just complete shit quality. I'm gonna test out a phatty 30 gram dose or so soon to give it another shot. I've downed close to 20 grams before with barely noticeable effects. And consumed a hefty chunk of home made resin as well. Jack squat.
heroin. overrated. just to me obviously. But I didn't like the high for whatever reason.
Oxycontin. underrated. better than ecstasy. If I peel an OC40, grind it and rail it, I can get the best high I can attain under anything I have tried.
It's been a long long time since I had any oxy.
Oxycontin. underrated. better than ecstasy. If I peel an OC40, grind it and rail it, I can get the best high I can attain under anything I have tried.
It's been a long long time since I had any oxy.
unsettled
Bluelighter
In My Experience Only
Underated,
Good Pods (haven't come across any in a long while but I had some great morphine highs that lasted forever back when they were easy to find)
Ritalin, it works very well for depression and ADD for me and I don't feel the need to over do it, I can also eat normally on it and afford it.
Morphine, it's been love at first swallow since the beginning.
Suboxone, it may not be underated, everyone has their own take on it, for me it's a lifesaver.
Klonopin and Xanax, I myself constantly advise people to be careful with these drugs but the truth is they are godsends for those of us with panic disorder.
RX'd Amps, are a beautiful thing if you can not abuse them.
Overated
Alcohol. makes people loud obnoxious and dumb most of the time, also makes them sick.
Weed. I used to love it but it's just not as good as the hype it's been getting, I think opiates work much better, if you want to go natural make opium tea. But I do admit weed is good for some people.
DXM, I like it, but it's nothing like what people make it out to be.
Heroin, I LOVE heroin, it's just that it gets pumped up to be bigger than it is, it's another opiate, possibly my favorite opiate but it's over romanticized in my opinion. I mean I really love it's effects but I used to get as high on good poppy pods and the pods were cheaper and lasted longer. If someone has never done opiates and gets the proper amount of Heroin I'm sure in there mind it would live up to the hype, I had a good amount of experience with opiates by the time I got to Heroin and while I recognized and loved it's unique qualities it's just morphine that hits you quicker basically. Fuck now I want some H, time to go to sleep.
Underated,
Good Pods (haven't come across any in a long while but I had some great morphine highs that lasted forever back when they were easy to find)
Ritalin, it works very well for depression and ADD for me and I don't feel the need to over do it, I can also eat normally on it and afford it.
Morphine, it's been love at first swallow since the beginning.
Suboxone, it may not be underated, everyone has their own take on it, for me it's a lifesaver.
Klonopin and Xanax, I myself constantly advise people to be careful with these drugs but the truth is they are godsends for those of us with panic disorder.
RX'd Amps, are a beautiful thing if you can not abuse them.
Overated
Alcohol. makes people loud obnoxious and dumb most of the time, also makes them sick.
Weed. I used to love it but it's just not as good as the hype it's been getting, I think opiates work much better, if you want to go natural make opium tea. But I do admit weed is good for some people.
DXM, I like it, but it's nothing like what people make it out to be.
Heroin, I LOVE heroin, it's just that it gets pumped up to be bigger than it is, it's another opiate, possibly my favorite opiate but it's over romanticized in my opinion. I mean I really love it's effects but I used to get as high on good poppy pods and the pods were cheaper and lasted longer. If someone has never done opiates and gets the proper amount of Heroin I'm sure in there mind it would live up to the hype, I had a good amount of experience with opiates by the time I got to Heroin and while I recognized and loved it's unique qualities it's just morphine that hits you quicker basically. Fuck now I want some H, time to go to sleep.