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negrogesic said:
I dont remember having that much time. If i remember correctly you have like 4 seconds before you are completely zonked. I had no tolerance to ketamine and remember 20mg or so as being super intense. I found it was less psychedelic and more narcotic feeling than IM. Everytime i tried IM ketamine i just felt weird and dysphoric.

IV deschloroketamine (DCK) is probably even better, 10mg would send you to outerspace im guessing,
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some ppl say ketamine doesn't have a rush but IMO it does, it's a weird as fuck rush but nonetheless is very euphoric. yeah like u i prefer IV over IM.
 
negrogesic said:
I dont remember having that much time. If i remember correctly you have like 4 seconds before you are completely zonked. I had no tolerance to ketamine and remember 20mg or so as being super intense. I found it was less psychedelic and more narcotic feeling than IM. Everytime i tried IM ketamine i just felt weird and dysphoric.

IV deschloroketamine (DCK) is probably even better, 10mg would send you to outerspace im guessing,
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brooooo u just triggered me man XD, ima get a vial this week. fuck it i wanna shoot up something, it's been a month without morphine. And that shit is gonna help me lower even more my opi tolerance.
 
Overrated, in terms of effects and underrated, in terms of toxicity and damage done to society, health and psyche - alcohol. From time to time nasty things like glue, gasoline, anticholinerges. Certainly antipsychotics (by docs and fellow people), followed by antidepressants.
Sugar (these people eating whole bars of chocolate when sad and wondering when the aliens abducted them and put all the fat on them).
Nicotine, by some. Poor souls, they know just the worst of all (alc, cigs) and believe to know everything. That said, I'm a smoker too 🤔

Underrated - DMT, dissociatives.

Outstanding in terms of facepalm - how big pharma together with the governments of the world have messed up the only viable alternative to benzodiazepines: Kava-Kava. It's been long known that it was an artificial toxin and low quality manufacturing damaging some livers and not the root itself. Yet it remains out of allowance almost everywhere with some places even banning the plant. Why use some plant that has been so for decades, if big pharma offers you yummy Xanax??

@nznity K and DCK have an unique rush, when using nasally maybe only similar (in intensity) to mephedrone or coke(? never did much of it, just don't like how the local anesthesia, or maybe the levamisole?, feels in my body. Neither the price nor how people behave on it.)
 
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Flower Fairy said:
It could pass as a small line to someone who rarely does K, try a whole 100mg line at once then a 200mg, you might K hole then, and if it's still not for you then you can underrate my favourite drug lol

I barley K hole these days, I do 0.3 and 0.4 lines, I can only afford a gram every now and then, it sucks, 3 or so lines out of a gram, sucks
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Yes 0.25 was always a beautiful dose for myself on many occasions. Softening everuthing around you, but not taking you too far beyond, leaving things cartooney, light and fun and easy.

In no way an underdose, but you can still be joyfully interactive in the right company.

The biggest line I snorted myself deliberately was a half gram, except one occasion possibly, at the elder lady supplier and friend's house on her birthday session- it was time for my line. She called me into the kitchen.

I liked my proper razor blades back in the day. Maggie used cards. So my line was "racked up", next to a bank card on a tile (yeah, I got us all into using tiles over cd cases haha)....

I was e'd up and drunk that night, 2004. I accidentally scattered my line. So blurry eyed, I picked up the bank card and scoops everything up into one chunky line again.

I went back into the other room where there was a very pleasant ambience with nice people socialising on a freer and higher level. But boy I was going into one hell of k hole but could still hear and see everything around me and I suddenly overheard discussion that somebody "had taken all of Maggie's ketamine".

As if someone had sneaked in there and pinched it all. Not a great lot because she couldn't get any more that night unfortunately as was planne.

But while I was stuck in this k hole on ecstasy as well for the rest of the night I realised what I had done and that there was in fact more ketamine underneath the bank card which I scooped into my own line without being able to see at the time.

So god knows how much I snorted on that occasion it could have been a whole grams worth.

But I did know people who would routinely snort 1gram Lines of ketamine and would literally spasm on the floor at parties and be out cold with eyes Wide Open looking like corpses for many hours on end or stood in ostrich and Emu like statue positions moving at the speed of sloaths.


Crazy, crazy drug and scene when ket flooded in, in 2002 to 2005 and on.

I knew one guy, named Dickie. He only snorted 1 Gram lines at a time, and he had 12 every day for a long period. That's heavy IMO.
 
negrogesic said:
I dont remember having that much time. If i remember correctly you have like 4 seconds before you are completely zonked. I had no tolerance to ketamine and remember 20mg or so as being super intense. I found it was less psychedelic and more narcotic feeling than IM. Everytime i tried IM ketamine i just felt weird and dysphoric.

IV deschloroketamine (DCK) is probably even better, 10mg would send you to outerspace im guessing,
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That makes sense to me. K could be so fast acting. I remember one occasion I snorted about 1/3 of a gram in one line I was already quite drunk but it was literally like within half a second I just sank back to laying on the floor as if I was sucked into a sandpit there was nothing I could do about it whatsoever and it was milliseconds.

An incredible feeling at the time and and experience to look back upon but messy for sure.

So I imagine that I'Ving would be even faster and more dramatic acting hence the need for for safety preparations.


We have mused however in other threads that possibly by injection ketamine may not have the same negative impacts on the bladder for someone with chronic use because I know that the sinuses act as a clearing route using the bladder itself for clearing sinus infections.

And the ketamine turns to acid in the stomach which could affect the urinary system.

So if somebody else could administer the injection safely with experience it may in fact have some advantages physically to take ketamine by injection.

It would certainly be my own preferred route of delivery if I thought it was possible for me to use that substance again in the future providing it was done completely safely although I would be very apprehensive about setting out and doing this procedure on my own for the first time ever.
 
The RC variants 2-fluoro and deschloroketamine are much easier on your body. Never had any problems with them besides some early tainted Asian batches, which had a horrible body load. Yeah, 10mg of DCK can floor you even with some tolerance (guess on some days I did 100mg though without holing, it has a different tolerance pattern than plain K)

But dissos remain to be heavily underrated imho, agreed they feel very weird the first times and from time to time but they are an exception that is much safer than it feels ... and, at least DCK and MXE, can bring you to similar places like psychedelics but in a way that hasn't even a name for anxiety... apparently make good combos too, disso + psychedelic, there're some papers about psychedelics abolishing the neurotoxicity of dissociatives .....
 
I'd say mescaline, which i don't really hear of being used too much by people who are tripping on shrooms, tabs etc.
 
Overrated: cocaine. I’m surprised how few people have said this but it’s too difficult to find top quality blow and even with really good cocaine the high is too fiendish and too short and not that euphoric.
Underrated: gabapentin as a last resort. I have been out of myDOC many times and gotten faced on gabapentin, the only obstacle being the extremely low bioavailability. The way I have gotten around this is to stagger the doses
 
Cocaine - overrated, cost too much only lasts an hour usually cut to crap
Mbdb - underrated due to ppl not knowing and not being able to tell the difference between it and mdma. It's when you double drop it that the real magic happens and the different effects become apparent.its far superior effects.
Codeine - underrated, an awesome opiate if u don't have a high opiate tolerance.
 
Overrated: buprenorphine (sorry schizopath, I don't see it as getting a high from it) and amphetamine

Underrated: homemade laudenum, which is something you never ever hear about, but it's very smooth and fucks you up in all the right ways
 
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Gaffy said:
Overrated: ritalin
Underrated: 4-CMC, by far better than 4MMC
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Who overrates ritalin? Haven't seen to many people speak highly of it?

I think dexmethylphenidate is underrated...

How is 4-CMC? 4-MMC must be superior however.
 
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Being British and from a certain generation I’m going to say liquid gel temazepam aka jellies are the most underrated drug ever created. Holy shit those gel filled caps were the breakfast cereal of the gods .
I’m actually glad they banned them in Great Britain 🇬🇧 or else the prisons would still be filled with violent offenders with no recollection of there crimes. My god the things almost made you indestructible lol at the time anyway
 
Really, 4-CMC? You know that the close amphetamine cousin, 4-chloroamphetamine (and meth's get metabolized into amph's - the ketone probably remains unchanged so you won't get 4-CA from 4-CMC but still) is used in animal studies to selectively kill serotonergic neurons??
 
Nightraver said:
Being British and from a certain generation I’m going to say liquid gel temazepam aka jellies are the most underrated drug ever created. Holy shit those gel filled caps were the breakfast cereal of the gods .
I’m actually glad they banned them in Great Britain 🇬🇧 or else the prisons would still be filled with violent offenders with no recollection of there crimes. My god the things almost made you indestructible lol at the time anyway
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I remember taking those after 24 hours awake on speed/crank and it was like a soft elevator ride back down to earth. Cushiest landing ever. The temazepam tablets these days don't seem to work half as well for the comedown.
 
Nightraver said:
Being British and from a certain generation I’m going to say liquid gel temazepam aka jellies are the most underrated drug ever created. Holy shit those gel filled caps were the breakfast cereal of the gods .
I’m actually glad they banned them in Great Britain 🇬🇧 or else the prisons would still be filled with violent offenders with no recollection of there crimes. My god the things almost made you indestructible lol at the time anyway
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They banned them bcoz ppl kept injecting the liquid and clogging veins with waxy liquid temazepam.i heard it led to a few amputations.
 
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