Overrated and underrated drugs
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Most people on this site also get bad coke. A lot of people say stuff like "your lucky if you get 40%" I would CRY if i got 40% hahaha
treezy z
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over rated - alcohol. societies DOC is garbage, toxic as fuck. coke. i say it's overrated based on price vs. high. underrated - dxm. it's considered a childs drug but i like it almost as much as k and more than pcp.
Under-rated:
-Tramadol, one of the most pleasurable overall opioids for me. Ofc it won't rival IV hydromorphone or priritramid or even heroine (havent tried the last, only the other two), but if you add some dxm, grapefruit juice and diphenhydramine ito the mix, it is sure to floor me. it can supply one KICK-ASS time since it starts off as a somewhat empathogenic stimulant for me (like that great antidepressant ive never seen). had so menay beautiful days on it, im just really fucking healthy emotionally when on it which reflects onto my surroundings, socially it does wonders for me. then later during the trip it gives me perfetc opioid carelessness, warm fuzzy feeling, slight itch. that drug is the fucking bomb, probably my no1 favourite drug if i had to choose one to take on an island or whatever (next to cannabis ofc
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Over-rated:
-All those nasty-ass rc stimulants. Tried a lot, they all have their pros and cons I guess, but theyre just not superior enough over amphetamine or even much cheaper to expose myself to the risks of ingesting relatively obscure stimulants which often havent proven themselves in clinical studies.
-LSD and most rc psychedelics: Just take some mescaline/dmt/4-ho-dmt, raw product, rough extract or superpure crystals, they all are wonderful. again no reason to seek all those 2c's, do's, nbome's or dmt and mush analogue tryptamines when those giants of psychedelia are around. lsd is cool for its low dosage and low toxicity, but fuck street sourced chemicals... now if pure (!) xtal acid wasnt so hard to acquire itd probably be in that list (mesc dmt mush)
-Diethylether: Just another inhalant to me with really fucking strong reinforcing properties. probably my favourite inhalant nonetheless, have experiences what felt like deeply profound moments of enlightenment (temporary brain death lol?) on the stuff many times. dont expect anything wild unless you enjoy sniffing glue or downing a bottle of whiskey in 30secs (for teh rush!)
-mxe: would call this the poor man's pcp if pcp wasnt so damn cheap already. its a sad truth that ketamine demand is rising everywhere, supply is limited, purity gowing down and prices up, but seriously... MXE? i say smoke some proper clean pcp and youll have a much more enjoyable and probably even much safer time (since pcp has seen wide clinical use and has been around on the streets as well). its also sad to see people being controlled by the spontaneous brain farts of big time online drug dealers. the sole success of the stuff is based on the fact that proper dissociatives are either stigmatized (pcp) or expensive (k), so very few people have even tried those before. ofc a dissociatives is gonna blow everyones socks off if theyve never seen a good one before... ive seen a few who actually enjoyed mxe better than k (or so they managed to temporarily made themselves believe when they got a kg of mxe delivered to their door steps for like 7k€)
the whole rc business is just a farce and the scene has become disgustingly focussed on turning a few quick bucks, dodging laws and getting people hooked fast, rather than trying to accomplish the original goals of pharmacology - creating superior drugs. its so weird that with acetylation came countless drugs that still havent been surpassed, but i guess ill stop this rant now. On 400mg Codeine lol, that stuff is pretty stimulating in a way.
-Tramadol, one of the most pleasurable overall opioids for me. Ofc it won't rival IV hydromorphone or priritramid or even heroine (havent tried the last, only the other two), but if you add some dxm, grapefruit juice and diphenhydramine ito the mix, it is sure to floor me. it can supply one KICK-ASS time since it starts off as a somewhat empathogenic stimulant for me (like that great antidepressant ive never seen). had so menay beautiful days on it, im just really fucking healthy emotionally when on it which reflects onto my surroundings, socially it does wonders for me. then later during the trip it gives me perfetc opioid carelessness, warm fuzzy feeling, slight itch. that drug is the fucking bomb, probably my no1 favourite drug if i had to choose one to take on an island or whatever (next to cannabis ofc
)Over-rated:
-All those nasty-ass rc stimulants. Tried a lot, they all have their pros and cons I guess, but theyre just not superior enough over amphetamine or even much cheaper to expose myself to the risks of ingesting relatively obscure stimulants which often havent proven themselves in clinical studies.
-LSD and most rc psychedelics: Just take some mescaline/dmt/4-ho-dmt, raw product, rough extract or superpure crystals, they all are wonderful. again no reason to seek all those 2c's, do's, nbome's or dmt and mush analogue tryptamines when those giants of psychedelia are around. lsd is cool for its low dosage and low toxicity, but fuck street sourced chemicals... now if pure (!) xtal acid wasnt so hard to acquire itd probably be in that list (mesc dmt mush)
-Diethylether: Just another inhalant to me with really fucking strong reinforcing properties. probably my favourite inhalant nonetheless, have experiences what felt like deeply profound moments of enlightenment (temporary brain death lol?) on the stuff many times. dont expect anything wild unless you enjoy sniffing glue or downing a bottle of whiskey in 30secs (for teh rush!)
-mxe: would call this the poor man's pcp if pcp wasnt so damn cheap already. its a sad truth that ketamine demand is rising everywhere, supply is limited, purity gowing down and prices up, but seriously... MXE? i say smoke some proper clean pcp and youll have a much more enjoyable and probably even much safer time (since pcp has seen wide clinical use and has been around on the streets as well). its also sad to see people being controlled by the spontaneous brain farts of big time online drug dealers. the sole success of the stuff is based on the fact that proper dissociatives are either stigmatized (pcp) or expensive (k), so very few people have even tried those before. ofc a dissociatives is gonna blow everyones socks off if theyve never seen a good one before... ive seen a few who actually enjoyed mxe better than k (or so they managed to temporarily made themselves believe when they got a kg of mxe delivered to their door steps for like 7k€)
the whole rc business is just a farce and the scene has become disgustingly focussed on turning a few quick bucks, dodging laws and getting people hooked fast, rather than trying to accomplish the original goals of pharmacology - creating superior drugs. its so weird that with acetylation came countless drugs that still havent been surpassed, but i guess ill stop this rant now. On 400mg Codeine lol, that stuff is pretty stimulating in a way.
mdma is not very adulterated compared to amphetamine, heroine or even coke. it surely isnt easy to acquire 99.9% pure molly, but its always in the 90% range i think. pills have been excellent till early 00's here, over 98% of seized samples contained mdma as the only centrally active compound. this still applies to ~40% of the pills seized i think, but thats much better than looking at crappy amp.
every drug sort has a comedown id say, so youd have to specify what qualifies as a "comedown" in the sense the scene is referring to it. reinforcing properties (urge to redose)? a sense of unease? a rebound phenomenom? receptor down/up-regulation, transmitter exhaustion?
mdma has a comedown for most people (has always been very mild for me simply because i had such an honestly great fucking time the hours on it, nothing could shatter a good mood that i acquired through social interaction) and it becomes much worse when its redosed multiple times and dosages arent controlled. theres a sweetspot between 90-100mg and 160-200mg for most people, above that youll just increase side effects and that awfully drained feeling towards the comedown.
coke has an awful comedown, probably worse with phenacetin, caffeine, ephedrine, whatever else they put in there. ive had an able hobby chemist friend extract some very clean stuff before and have tried snorting fresh chunka broken off high grade cocaine in lb amounts. it always has a comedown, but i noticed that its less bad with clean coke and more importantly, as silly as it sounds, set and setting make a HUGE difference. im usually around assholes when i take coke since ive never spent a dime on it (once years back, in drunken desperation after snorting a few lines and realizing my friend is leaving), so coming off coke makes me realize the shallowness and fakeness of what was going on, very frustrating. along with the reinforcing properties and the high value of the stuff (usually limited availability in social gatherings) this can lead to a very bad time. if i was taking it alone (like four or five times i think) i had more than i could take in a day and could do whatever the fuck i want, so the comedown was barely noticable. another time with my best friend who usually doesnt do the stuff either i experienced no comedown at all eventhough i was coked out of my mind.
im pretty certain after 11 yrs of being able to do this stuff for free anytime i want, that the main reason why i hate it so much is cause of the people who im around when i do it. nonetheless, the one time i only had a limtied amount at home, i cooked it up and smoked it to "make it last" lol and ended up wiping my hands over my floor to find remains lol.
verso
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I'm so happy to see the number of people here who think that weed is overrated! It's the one drug that I just, for whatever reason, I can't enjoy it.
It was great when I was like, fourteen years old... I'd come home from school each day, smoke a bowl, watch some Family Guy, and then I'd fall asleep eating a tub of ice cream or jerking off.
Then, years later, I just couldn't smoke without getting paranoid and anxious and uptight. I think that it's great for those who can still smoke and enjoy it, and I think it's awesome for those medical marijuana patients who find relief in the drug... but for me, man, I just don't see the appeal anymore.
It was great when I was like, fourteen years old... I'd come home from school each day, smoke a bowl, watch some Family Guy, and then I'd fall asleep eating a tub of ice cream or jerking off.
Then, years later, I just couldn't smoke without getting paranoid and anxious and uptight. I think that it's great for those who can still smoke and enjoy it, and I think it's awesome for those medical marijuana patients who find relief in the drug... but for me, man, I just don't see the appeal anymore.
Rabidrabbit
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You don't find weed synergizes with dope, man? I love blowing bags of dope and smoking bowls... makes me nod super hard... keeps the opiate nausea at bay and even keeps the tolerance down because instead of doing more dope, I'll just spark up another bowl...
geoffreychaucer
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Overrated:
Smoking cannabis
- Because I always get paranoid if I smoke anywhere but a secluded area and I don't have to see anyone I know for a while.
Burning weed is such a strong and distinctive smell, once I'm high I get obsessive about the possibility of the smell. Then my eyes get redder than they would have with another method of ingestion, my mouth gets drier than it would have and then the high doesn't even last that long.
Underrated:
Ingesting cannabis-
1. Efficiency- You can theoretically get much more effects from much less cannabis if you throw it into a baked good or something versus smoking.
2. Health- Need I say more
3. Predictability- Once you are comfortable with the potency of your batch of whatever, you can dose yourself with the perfect quantity. Feel a little nauseous, take a sub-psychoactive dose, wanna get a buzz on, take a little more and etc. Its much more versatile with the potential to administer set doses. Smoking has too many other factors such as method, size of inhalation, duration of inhalation etc.
4. Body high- Ingestion of cannabis gives a much more "full spectrum" high since some of the cannabinoids that may be destroyed by the heat of burning are preserved into absorption. These other cannabinoids seem to give me a super relaxing body high that actually feels like a medicine. %)
Smoking cannabis
- Because I always get paranoid if I smoke anywhere but a secluded area and I don't have to see anyone I know for a while.
Burning weed is such a strong and distinctive smell, once I'm high I get obsessive about the possibility of the smell. Then my eyes get redder than they would have with another method of ingestion, my mouth gets drier than it would have and then the high doesn't even last that long.
Underrated:
Ingesting cannabis-
1. Efficiency- You can theoretically get much more effects from much less cannabis if you throw it into a baked good or something versus smoking.
2. Health- Need I say more
3. Predictability- Once you are comfortable with the potency of your batch of whatever, you can dose yourself with the perfect quantity. Feel a little nauseous, take a sub-psychoactive dose, wanna get a buzz on, take a little more and etc. Its much more versatile with the potential to administer set doses. Smoking has too many other factors such as method, size of inhalation, duration of inhalation etc.
4. Body high- Ingestion of cannabis gives a much more "full spectrum" high since some of the cannabinoids that may be destroyed by the heat of burning are preserved into absorption. These other cannabinoids seem to give me a super relaxing body high that actually feels like a medicine. %)
Folley
Bluelighter
lol are you serious? When you buy meth, you get meth... when you buy MDMA, you get cattle dewormer (TFMPP/BZP/mCPP), bath salts (MDPV) or methylone, mephedrone, 5-MeO-DiPT and other completely unidentified chemicals...
Ecstasydata.org says that 63% of pills have no MDMA what-so-ever, and that only 23% have any MDMA at all
as for an underrated chemical though...
MDA. By far.
It's like fucking LSD and MDMA in one... such unique hallucinations though... and no, I don't mean visuals. Full on hallucinations come from that drug. Amazing.
okay my figure is 2 or 3 years old and refers to the german market. maybe it went from 40% to 23% over here as well, who knows.
when i say amphetamine, i mean amphetamine, not methamphetamine. average purity of street samples 5-10%.
agree to mda being underrated, prefer it over mdma for having a good time with friends in public. mdma is more of a chill on the couch and get touchy thing.
BananasAndOranges
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That comes off as realt Snobby. You would cry if you got 40%? I would cry if I wasted money on any kind of coke PErIod. I agree most people probably get bad coke. Shit, I'm not to sure out of all the drugs available if I could really find good coke these days. If you DONT have a telephone dealer dude, then its true, you wont get anything besides probably some 50% unless you know how to shop. Coke is just too much loot. I agree. I got bellringers like Mad smoking rocks. I have also got them from just doing lines of good blow, but to say noones probably had a bellringer before from IV use is lame. A lot of us coke is cut with shit that you dont want in your body nowadays anyway. Id rather buy shards. Yes the rush from Crack/GOOD cocaine is way more of a Smack in the face/pants, but it doesn't last that long. Its a pretty corrosive drug for your hearts ect ect ect. Sorry had to say something.
rincewindrocks
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this math dont make sense...so 23% have some MDMA, and 63 % have none...that only adds up to 86%. im guessing you misquoted something, but could you please explain?
EDIT: ok looked up for myself...only 23% have ONLY mdma...completely different meaning there, be sure you are accurate when quoting please
powpies
Greenlighter
Overrated
alcohol - i enjoy drinking occasionally, but don't see anything spectacular about being drunk.
coke - i still do it, but can definitely agree to it being very overrated (unless combined with opiates).
psychedelics - perhaps not exactly overrated, but just not my thing. the risk of paranoia and bad trips and all that.
Underrated
buprenorphine - with a low tolerance, it will be a very strong high. for maintenance, a lifesaver.
klonopin - not so great for recreational use or if you want a rush or intense euphoria, but when you have anxiety it can work like a charm.
GHB - mmmmmmmm
coke/benzo combo - i mean taking benzos DURING your coke session, not just for the comedown. for me, they don't seem to cancel eachother out, but have great synergy and almost speedball-esque. Though a lot may disagree with me.
alcohol - i enjoy drinking occasionally, but don't see anything spectacular about being drunk.
coke - i still do it, but can definitely agree to it being very overrated (unless combined with opiates).
psychedelics - perhaps not exactly overrated, but just not my thing. the risk of paranoia and bad trips and all that.
Underrated
buprenorphine - with a low tolerance, it will be a very strong high. for maintenance, a lifesaver.
klonopin - not so great for recreational use or if you want a rush or intense euphoria, but when you have anxiety it can work like a charm.
GHB - mmmmmmmm
coke/benzo combo - i mean taking benzos DURING your coke session, not just for the comedown. for me, they don't seem to cancel eachother out, but have great synergy and almost speedball-esque. Though a lot may disagree with me.
Underrated: MDA: Most amazing visual experience ever! What else matches these clear fluid lifelike visuals? Got it accidentally one day and never found again alas.
Methcathinone: Great to chill out at home alone and mess around on the net (like i am right now). My mini meth.
Good Coke: A while back we got friendly with some drunk rich guy at a pub. He organised some coke and gave us some. Until you have good coke you have no idea, i promise you. This shit was boss. It was so unexpected my mate that was with me promptly rolled his car a few moments after leaving the pub. Apparently the euphoria and confidence was so intense he believed he could do anything with his car, like a pro. Not saying good coke makes you do stupid shit, just saying that it can take you by surprise if your not expecting it. Of course a few days later i deleted the contact number in an effort to stop, and have never had good shit again.
Before we left the parking, the rich guy tried to cut a line on an adjacent car, spilt the packet everywhere on the roof and left. We proceeded to lick it off the car roof with nearby restaurant patrons watching in interest lol. Never fiended like that before.
Zolpidem (effects only). Hated this stuff due to the weird effects, however warmed to it later. It causes a unique sensation that is intensely pleasurable. Reasonable dose, when lying in bed its possible to generate a sensation of floating and an ability to sway in directions with a thought, as if you are flying. Sounds lame and is difficult to explain, but way cooler them my weak description. Would LOVE to know if anybody else has experienced this. Not recommended, dangerous, addictive and bad tolerance issues. Im surprised they hand this shit out like candy.
Overrated: Weed. Uncontrollable mindfuck, confusion, anxiety and paranoia. Its like smoking a comedown lol. I wonder why people experience it so differently though. Is it personality or physical?
Methcathinone: Great to chill out at home alone and mess around on the net (like i am right now). My mini meth.
Good Coke: A while back we got friendly with some drunk rich guy at a pub. He organised some coke and gave us some. Until you have good coke you have no idea, i promise you. This shit was boss. It was so unexpected my mate that was with me promptly rolled his car a few moments after leaving the pub. Apparently the euphoria and confidence was so intense he believed he could do anything with his car, like a pro. Not saying good coke makes you do stupid shit, just saying that it can take you by surprise if your not expecting it. Of course a few days later i deleted the contact number in an effort to stop, and have never had good shit again.
Before we left the parking, the rich guy tried to cut a line on an adjacent car, spilt the packet everywhere on the roof and left. We proceeded to lick it off the car roof with nearby restaurant patrons watching in interest lol. Never fiended like that before.
Zolpidem (effects only). Hated this stuff due to the weird effects, however warmed to it later. It causes a unique sensation that is intensely pleasurable. Reasonable dose, when lying in bed its possible to generate a sensation of floating and an ability to sway in directions with a thought, as if you are flying. Sounds lame and is difficult to explain, but way cooler them my weak description. Would LOVE to know if anybody else has experienced this. Not recommended, dangerous, addictive and bad tolerance issues. Im surprised they hand this shit out like candy.
Overrated: Weed. Uncontrollable mindfuck, confusion, anxiety and paranoia. Its like smoking a comedown lol. I wonder why people experience it so differently though. Is it personality or physical?
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FluoTox
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I can see what you mean with smoking a comedown, that's one of the main reasons why I like to smoke weed.
Overrated:
-Alcohol - Personally I don't like how it feels like emotional opening up to others at the come-up, but then produce a mess of brain goulash as main effect8(
Being shy socially with confidence issues, alcohol really helps in social situations as well as for anxiety after to much mdma messed me up. Paxil really helped though with that shit so no more self medicating alcohol. Recently started Kratom which has been amazing at removing any desire to drink or do drugs, a godsend.
smoking a comedown: I coined that shit, share with credit
I'm surprised more people haven't said ecstasy/MDMA as OVERrated. To me, it's clearly the most overrated drug, for two reasons:
1. People go on and on about it like it's some kind of life changing experience that everyone needs to try, when really it's just another emotional button-pushing pleasure drug that makes you feel awful when you come off it. I'm not a judgmental person, and I'm willing to let everyone have their poison, but there's something about the way e-tards talk this shit up that turns me off. With most other drugs, if you tell the users that you don't even like it, they'll be like "lucky man, I wish I didn't like it." When you tell an e-tard that you don't like E, they'll INSIST that you haven't done pure shit, and they'll sometimes even get angry and defensive when you say "no I'm quite certain the stuff I did was pure, I just wasn't a fan." You can even see a bit of this behavior in this very thread.
2. The desired effects are really "fleeting." I know what ecstasy fans are talking about, I've felt it plenty of times. There is this raw euphoria you can get off E sometimes that, as far as I can tell, is the only thing that really blows coke out of the water. But the thing is, in my experience, these are just fleeting moments that might last like 5 minutes out of a 2 hour plus trip. Great as these moments are, they were never a big enough part of the ecstasy experience to make me want to do it again and again.
1. People go on and on about it like it's some kind of life changing experience that everyone needs to try, when really it's just another emotional button-pushing pleasure drug that makes you feel awful when you come off it. I'm not a judgmental person, and I'm willing to let everyone have their poison, but there's something about the way e-tards talk this shit up that turns me off. With most other drugs, if you tell the users that you don't even like it, they'll be like "lucky man, I wish I didn't like it." When you tell an e-tard that you don't like E, they'll INSIST that you haven't done pure shit, and they'll sometimes even get angry and defensive when you say "no I'm quite certain the stuff I did was pure, I just wasn't a fan." You can even see a bit of this behavior in this very thread.
2. The desired effects are really "fleeting." I know what ecstasy fans are talking about, I've felt it plenty of times. There is this raw euphoria you can get off E sometimes that, as far as I can tell, is the only thing that really blows coke out of the water. But the thing is, in my experience, these are just fleeting moments that might last like 5 minutes out of a 2 hour plus trip. Great as these moments are, they were never a big enough part of the ecstasy experience to make me want to do it again and again.
Seyer
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And these are from JUST the first 11 pages. Theres 18 pages between then and now, plenty of people have said MDMA 8)
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SpaceYourBassAgain
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I agree with your first point - a preference for prescription drugs over street drugs - largely because I don't have a street dealer who I can truly trust. With pharms, you just have to believe in the price of them.
The reason you will see heroin junkies selling oxy/morphine/hydro&oxymorphone for street heroin (which is dumb as fuck, really) is because heroin has a very different action on the brain. Heroin is not just "converted into morphine," or at least not regular morphine; it is converted into 6-MAM (6-monoacetylmorphine), which is very euphoric to say the least. It used to be thought that a smaller percentage of H breaks down into 6-MAM, but a recent study shows that most of it breaks down into 6-MAM.
I'd still say that street heroin is overrated, but it all depends on who you know. Saying that heroin or MDMA is overrated is kind of a misnomer, however. You are most likely talking about H/MDMA that has been cut to shit or doesn't exist in the product altogether.
Underrated: the combo of methadone and benzos. I am certain that this combo has killed a few people I know, but everyone just says "they OD'd on heroin/painkillers" because it is an easier explanation. One person did pharms once in a blue moon, and did not realize that methadone takes a while to kick in, so he kept taking more and more. He also took xanax in an unknown amount, but he knew that you only needed a couple mg's. I would guess that he took less than 50 bucks worth of pills and died. Wish I was there that night - there could be one more dude breathing right now.
Another guy just over-did it one night after a long time of sobriety. This guy knew what he was doing. He could tell you exactly what was happening in your brain/body as you felt the various effects of any major drug...he just screwed up one time. Be careful with methadone and benzos, folks.
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