birdup.snaildown
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chinup said:from my understanding some asian countries avoided lockdowns by doing proper contact tracing from the off. it turns out that most people with covid don't pass it on to anyone else, but some people pass it on to huge numbers of people. so, by identifying who a person with covid got it from and then quarantining all the people that person had been in contact with, they avoided the need for widescale lockdowns. this requires compliance, and i'm not confident that the eligible people who are not vaccinated are likely to comply with such orders so you'd need to enforce it. if we can get transmission rates low enough for this approach to be feasible, i think its far preferable.
where that is not feasible, i'd guess you need to look at projected cases and hospital capacity, not just for acute covid cases, but for everything. it is not fair that people with other health conditions have their treatment delayed because governments allowed covid rates to get too high.
That all relates to a time before the vaccinations have been widely available in some places for as long as 6 months. What is relevant now is how long do we give "vulnerable" people time to vaccinate? I've never head an answer from any government. Anti-vax people are treated like criminals. This can't go on indefinitely... So, what is the end date?
there were talks over here at some point of getting some way of showing you're vaccinated as a condition for entering pubs, restaurants, etc, and i would fully support that. i'd have more respect for people's choice to not get vaccinated if the rest of us were able to choose not to be anywhere near them and requiring proof of vaccination for entry to places would be one way to enable us to have that choice.
I very much disagree.
If you are so vulnerable get a fucking vaccination.
We can't set the social standard to entirely accommodate vulnerable morons.
Back when there wasn't a vaccination, people got upset about comparisons between COVID and flu.
Well, now there is a vaccine. If you are vaccinated, it is similar to the flu. If you live in a country like Australia and you are vulnerable, get vaccinated. There is no excuse. Just get off your ass and sign up for your free vaccination.
We can't shut down the world temporarily to protect people who refuse protection.