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Yep, I’ll agree with that.
But on a flipside, it’s mightily inconvenient for the restaurant owners for citizens not to be able to visit them.
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But on a flipside, it’s mightily inconvenient for the restaurant owners for citizens not to be able to visit them.
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I just saw Bangladesh will be on extreme lockdown for 7 days, no residents allowed to leave their homes for 7 days except for emergencies.
Loads people trying to flee to the ferry port.
In this sense, we are not all in the same boat. Individual regional and national pressures vary greatly.
Here in Bedford currently, and we were flagged on the news 4 weeks ago as a variant hotspot put on a sort of quarantine, but without the news, and the face masks and panicked muted body language and cutting silence in the air, without the media, you could almost go about living and forget about it visit people, go shopping, walk by the river etc.
I can’t take that for granted.
You know where you get an exemption card from for face masks?
No application needed, no reason- just go on the government’s website and print one off.
NO strings attached.
So in theory, everybody in the world could adorn one tomorrow, and all hospices would be legally exempt from not pressuring customers, visitors into wearing face masks.
All by law.
Or, as we acquired ours, you can also just….buy them off of eBay. Identical thing. Just was easier, and cheap too. Saved hooking up the printer.
It was my mum who checked all this out. A friend actually gave us his spares he ordered.
Loads people trying to flee to the ferry port.
In this sense, we are not all in the same boat. Individual regional and national pressures vary greatly.
Here in Bedford currently, and we were flagged on the news 4 weeks ago as a variant hotspot put on a sort of quarantine, but without the news, and the face masks and panicked muted body language and cutting silence in the air, without the media, you could almost go about living and forget about it visit people, go shopping, walk by the river etc.
I can’t take that for granted.
You know where you get an exemption card from for face masks?
No application needed, no reason- just go on the government’s website and print one off.
NO strings attached.
So in theory, everybody in the world could adorn one tomorrow, and all hospices would be legally exempt from not pressuring customers, visitors into wearing face masks.
All by law.
Or, as we acquired ours, you can also just….buy them off of eBay. Identical thing. Just was easier, and cheap too. Saved hooking up the printer.
It was my mum who checked all this out. A friend actually gave us his spares he ordered.
birdup.snaildown
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I understand not wanting to be vaccinated but it's not that difficult wearing a mask. Nobody likes wearing them - they're annoying - but it's not a big deal is it?
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i don't know and don't see how its relevant tbh, because it is a tiny portion in comparison to the people who can be vaccinated but aren't.
when i take illegal drugs i am not knowingly coming back from a country that is experiencing a huge wave of a new variant, and is hence on the red list, via an amber list country to avoid quarantine, and then not self isolating when i get back. when i take illegal drugs i harm me and my immediate family. they harmed the entirety of the UK.
if your actions don't impact others, then do what you want. the second you are impacting others with your actions, that impact needs to be taken into account. especially when your actions are literally kicking off a third wave so lockdown easing has to be put back, thus impacting the entire population of a country.
i don't really see how this is difficult to understand that breaking some rules has far reaching consequences so should be taken more seriously.
as explained before- because it doesn't only impact the restaurant and that restaurants clientele. if it did, i'd be fine with it.
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If they weren’t found to contain multiple pathogens including Borrelia. The simple idea that I might contract that one again once in my life is almost worst case scenario and tb avoided at all costs.
I do have long running allergic rhinitis, chronic sinus inflammation, mask wearing does affect my breathing.
I don’t believe it’s conducive to proper respiratory health. I honestly always feel worse after wearing one for a length of time, personally and managing respiratory symptoms is my trade.
But I wasn’t even making a point about that. I was the facts of the matter- to be exempt, legally, noting is required, no proof, no word of a reason, just a printed or purchased piece of paper.
And like I say, right now, if every individual was to choose (of COURSE that isn’t going to happen), but theoretically, no masks legally required anywhere public, all covered, as per the law.
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chinup said:
So if we take it to an extreme then and there is only one person who cannot be vaccinated, should the entire world bend over backwards to cater to them?
The rules need to be reasonable. Of course it's relevant.
Nobody that I know of has died from allergic reactions. If you're allergic and vulnerable to COVID and you chose not to get the vaccination because you don't like getting Epipen jabs then you should stay at home.
As for the immunological part of your argument, who are these people? Why are they not able to be vaccinated? I work with people with immunological problems and I've never heard of it. The overlap must be pretty fucking small.
Frankly: I'm not convinced there are people who can't be vaccinated. I mean, what happens to them exactly if they are vaccinated? Are the allergic ones allergic to all the vaccines? How the fuck does that work? Where is the data to back any of this up?
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Some people might argue that buying illegal drugs funds criminals and contributes to suffering.
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So people that want to sell food to other people shouldn't be allowed to do so because an extremely small portion of the population might get sick?
If they are so vulnerable and they refuse to be vaccinated, they should stay home.
...
I assume you think children should be vaccinated?
Or should children not be allowed in restaurants?
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If you don't use other people's masks and you either clean them regularly or replace the disposable variety, you're not going to get sick.
You might as well argue that labs have confirmed there is athlete's foot present in a certain number of socks.
Maybe you should be exempt considering your condition, but (honestly) I don't think there is any compelling evidence that masks reduces oxygen intake. It definitely makes it harder to breathe even for me - and I don't have any respiratory problems - but I don't feel like my oxygen levels are restricted.
If people like yourself with medical issues don't wear masks, that's fine... but why encourage people without medical problems to exploit legal loopholes and not wear them just for the sake of it? I get that you don't want to wear them, but what do you gain from convincing others?
If you don't use other people's masks and you either clean them regularly or replace the disposable variety, you're not going to get sick.
You might as well argue that labs have confirmed there is athlete's foot present in a certain number of socks.
Maybe you should be exempt considering your condition, but (honestly) I don't think there is any compelling evidence that masks reduces oxygen intake. It definitely makes it harder to breathe even for me - and I don't have any respiratory problems - but I don't feel like my oxygen levels are restricted.
If people like yourself with medical issues don't wear masks, that's fine... but why encourage people without medical problems to exploit legal loopholes and not wear them just for the sake of it? I get that you don't want to wear them, but what do you gain from convincing others?
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I'm very stoned today. I thought you were saying antivaxxers were worse than drunk drivers. Apologies. I wholeheartedly agree that the people you described sneaking into a country that way during a pandemic is inexcusable. I do, however, struggle to call people that spread a virus by doing this murderers. That doesn't fit right with me. I also don't think drunk drivers are murderers necessarily either, though. I don't know why exactly. People end up dead either way.
We can't contain this virus 100%. That's not realistic. But - then - I guess we can't reduce the road toll to zero either.
We should be understanding with anti-vaxxers if for no other reason than this: calling people idiots and comparing them to murderers is just going to push them deeper into their stance.
I'm very stoned today. I thought you were saying antivaxxers were worse than drunk drivers. Apologies. I wholeheartedly agree that the people you described sneaking into a country that way during a pandemic is inexcusable. I do, however, struggle to call people that spread a virus by doing this murderers. That doesn't fit right with me. I also don't think drunk drivers are murderers necessarily either, though. I don't know why exactly. People end up dead either way.
We can't contain this virus 100%. That's not realistic. But - then - I guess we can't reduce the road toll to zero either.
We should be understanding with anti-vaxxers if for no other reason than this: calling people idiots and comparing them to murderers is just going to push them deeper into their stance.
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Okay I wasn’t trying to encourage anybody else nor influence.
I was just sharing the perspective wrt the legality of it all, and what could happen.
There was a report of a group sending 5 masks in for testing, after being laundered.
Revealing still a number of known pathogens including Borrelia.
I still argue there is a huge anti-hygiene aspect, surface spread by constant face mask handling transferring germs to hands, surfaces. This seems to be completely unconsidered by most.
So I’ve never tried to influence others regarding masks. It’s their choice.
I’m pretty stoned today as well, barely slept after was interrupted. Write off Sunday just resting.
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that's fair enough, its difficult when there's these grey areas.
agreed.
i'm hopeful that we will get better- there's currently test running for products that can detect covid circulating in the atmosphere and the initial results look promising. unfortunately i can't remember what news program this was shown on so can't link the video, though i found this one by googling so it looks like there are lots of products that are almost ready for market. if such products were available at a price that is realistic for small business owners then we could keep everything open and only shut when covid is actually detected. the products i know about are too expensive for that use and more directed at major transport hubs and large buildings like hospitals and office blocks. still, if we can get real time information i think that is a much better strategy for containment than endless lockdowns.
absolutely true. tbh i was blackout drunk for most of this conversation and am impressed that i managed to show such restraint but i do agree that its not conducive to fruitful dialogue, which is what we need.
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It’s twice.
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Dude don't even try to compare school vaccinations to going to a restaurant....
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we're all good and the discussion is fine until you start blurting bullshit out like this and cancel out all of the well thought things you've posted
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That's what they were saying here in the US in the beginning of it all when they didn't want us wearing masks....and then when they wanted us to wear masks, you didn't hear about that anymore
what a joke
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Propaganda is a deep ditch, that’s all I’m saying. Like a silent assassin.
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It is indeed, the sheer amount of it is exhausting (on both/all "sides", fuck sides btw imho)
However, you are consistently happy to post terrible propagana yourself, and plenty of it
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ok then nevermind me raggin on you about calling ppl idiots : )
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I won’t deny it. It would not be intentional though. On my part, to ill-influence.
Propaganda is inherently devious from source and conception.
Like said before, we have our belief systems, are open to radically different views, sources we trust.
Like, 1000% I just do not trust the governments. I don’t get any fun out of my belief system.
I’d move to a nice desert island tomorrow, if all needs would be taken care of.
If only, lol.
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I think you guys should start by not calling anybody who question the current menu of shots available "anti-vaxxers" because that's where you start off on the wrong foot....and then you try to lump them all in as "conspiracy theorists" and blah blah generalizations, even tho, you're all cnn lefties and god forbid if i say something that you perceive as "racist" and what-not so yea fuck you motherfuckers too....and that's why it's so divided because there's so much of that going on
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Dude, you have no idea about my belief system, but you assume to do so . If we met socially we'd likely get on like a house on fire
It's likely I'm as anti-authority as you are, possibly much, much more so.
Am merely pointing out that you keep posting propaganda everywhere after you railed against it.
It doesn't matter to anyone reading and affected by the nonsense if you intended it or otherwise. I'm leaving it there.
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