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The clothe masks in theory only protect others’ in the sense that they keep you from spreading droplets. They in no way protect you, and even a n95 is only as effective as the application and maintaining a seal. The ‘wear a mask bigot ur killing grandma’ argument doesn’t do it for me tbh. I think being privy to actual expert opinion daily, has given me a bit more perspective. But the propaganda campaign for this stuff has been nothing short of impressive so I don’t fault anyone with your line of thinking. I generally just avoid public situations, and when I am in public I maintain distance/use common sense practices.
 
The clothe masks in theory only protect others’ in the sense that they keep you from spreading droplets. They in no way protect you, and even a n95 is only as effective as the application and maintaining a seal. The ‘wear a mask bigot ur killing grandma’ argument doesn’t do it for me tbh. I think being privy to actual expert opinion daily, has given me a bit more perspective. But the propaganda campaign for this stuff has been nothing short of impressive so I don’t fault anyone with your line of thinking. I generally just avoid public situations, and when I am in public I maintain distance/use common sense practices.
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Droplets are the most dangerous thing, actually, so they do protect others a lot. Not so sure about the self-thing, but that's rather unimportant, the important thing is to safe the people that might be endangered
So on the offchance that you migh not hurt your family you're just going for it? Instead of wearing the flipping mask inside stores? Wow, that's so horrible, 15 minutes of wearing a mask, and for that you risk lives?...Fuck how selfish are Muricans? The other guy too, just like it's no issue whatsoever if others die from your actions.

Because no one alive could ever go on the internet, and post random information there in order to make money via clicks,
from cooks that believe every conspiracy ever, including that there's a dragon under Bielefeld?
I hope this is not the "expert opinion" you're referring to.
 
We all die, people die of things far more deadly than covid, a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Masks are disgusting and cause more harm than good. Masks themselves caused many deaths during the Spanish flu. I have read the studies and yes I look at the science. That said, I take these things seriously and avert risk where at all possible.
 
We all die, people die of things far more deadly than covid, a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Masks are disgusting and cause more harm than good. Masks themselves caused many deaths during the Spanish flu. I have read the studies and yes I look at the science. That said, I take these things seriously and avert risk where at all possible.
So "we all die" is it now. Hey, why don't you run around and shoot random people then? Because this is essentially what you're doing. And what about the people who don't die and just have damaged organs for the rest of their lives? Even without death the chance of irreperable damage is incredible. Hell, I'm 29, got it when the big wave in Germany came, and my lungs might never regenerate the way they were. I'm out of breath after walking the stairs atm. Ffs.

FOR FUCKING 15 MINUTES of inconvenience you can't take one small step to do something for the people around you. Despicable. I'm glad people like you are locked in prison here. There you can't do any harm
 
Worrying times. What this has started is not about health and the wellbeing of society but about politics and a new ideology that leans towards the state as absolute ruler over the people, much like in China and other authoritarian/totalitarian regimes. It won't be long the so-called 'winners' are soon begging to reverse the damage they are causing.

This is the process of turning society against itself. You create the two camps; the good guys, and the bad guys.
The good guys are the model followers of the particular ideology being peddled at the time. These are the early foundation layers for building the end goal. They are the ones easily manipulated and easy to turn against their own. In war efforts the US military historically has began regime change by attacking the enemy where it hurts the most - their own communities. In Vietnam they went on countless psy-ops to break down the Viet Cong by destabilizing the communities in which they lived, doing everything and anything to turn their own communities against them so that when they returned they were guaranteed to be captured, killed or both. They destroyed entire generations of family bonds by getting the elders of communities to banish the younger fighters, to get their wives and children to no longer want to associate with them, to destroy their future prospects as a valued member of the community. At the very least no longer were they welcome. In Afghanistan during the war effort over there they did the same thing continuosly bombarding local indigneous populations with propaganda and psy-op campaigns to twist their loyalty from their own traditional values and to accept the allied forces as their new leaders. In order to create the good guys you must first find a way to make it look like being the good guy is what is more important than the original identity you assume is reality as it was originally known before this psy-op began. In today's world COVID-19 has been the premise for the argument behind siding with the rulers and gradually fading out everything you knew was you and everything you knew about others and about the world you live in. In it's place the ideology set by the new architects of worldwide change. To be a good guy today is to follow the ideology and direction of your governments response to COVID-19. And if you're in the US, Europe and many other parts of the world that response has been one of massive abuse and curtailing of the founding principles of the democratic society you live in.

The bad guys are of course the ones not willing to comply and historically these people have always existed. They are the thorn in any power hungry repressive government. And the government cannot fight these people on their own, not effectively anyway. The only way they can fight them is to get the society they are a part of to turn against them. And they do that by conditioning the masses to demonize, isolate and alienate these people. To do that they usually have to scare the so-called good guys into submitting their rule and by doing so they will be saved, their lives have meaning, they are worthy people of society, they are the real deal and are now actually part of society (like they weren't before). At one point it was black people, gay people, people that were not Christian. It's been Muslims and basically anybody of colour, it's been the Mexicans (and still is), it's been drug users, it's even been plants growing in the ground, people hiding in caves in Afghanistan. And now it's those who are not wearing masks and do not want to live in a repressive regime that is getting ever closer to merging with the ideology of places like China.

It's classic divide and conquer. Turn society against itself in order to then come in and rule everybody, INCLUDING THE GOOD GUYS. The good guys are soon forgotten about, just like war heroes of yesteryear. Sure we have ceremonies every year but how many people ACTUALLY remember them? It's too easy to forget when you're glued to your smartphone consuming all the sh*t you've been programmed to assume is reality. The ceremony is the theater of pretending they are still valuable. Of course now they are not valuable because now the government needs more cannon fodder to fight their wars and to use them for their own agendas. Now it's war heroes and it's 'key workers' and 'frontline staff'. Notice the similiarities? Now we have NEW heroes! Praise the Lord! And sooner or later, these heroes will soon be forced to come back down to reality when they realize it was all a lie. We can't even look after past heroes nevermind new ones. Here in the UK the NHS got a 1% payrise. 1 percent! These are your frontline workers! These are the heroes of the day! These are the good guys!

All that will happen is your government will consolidate all the power when the time is right and simply flick the do-good good guys off their high horses (mask wearers or not) back down to where they always were, among the general population. By then they won't NEED good guys because the good guys like demolition experts will have already done all the grunt work of destroying things and presenting the next stage for the superiors to then come in and assert their complete control. Nobody will be spared. The only people who will be spared will be those getting huge bonuses in the next coming years, the ones with multi-million/billion (enter your currency here) contracts, the architects of the lockdown who were paid HUGE amounts to ensure the path was cleared and the public were scared out of their minds and the new switched up ranks of government that now supports the next chapter of the story. You're already seeing that with the Biden administration in the US. The UK's health 'experts' have already cemented their unofficial roles as elected officials and helped to supplant the motives of those who are paying these unofficial officials. All these people WILL benefit.

And you, fellow mask wearer? You're just a pawn in the game. You're simply playing the role of do-good virtue signalling community hero, the very role the government wants and needs you to play to put enough pressure on others to believe they also have to do the same thing too. You think you love your society until you're made to turn against it. And that's how regime change happens. It's not a classic battle like you see in medieval movies where the enemy comes smashing down the front gate. And because most people are waiting for the evidence that the enemy is in fact at the gate with a trebuchet and battering ram, they will never see the enemy that is staring them in their face. And by then we will be all that bit closer to the world being condensed into a centralized united government run by the few for the many. And that centralized world government won't be bothered about your history, your culture, your heritage, your life story, your goals, your dreams, ambitions, expectations. By then they will be telling YOU what all that is about because by then they will have ensured you don't know any different. Again, that's how regime change works. That's how new power hungry tyrants get into power and that's how they stay in power.

Will life has some similiarities to the past? Absolutely. That's the plan. So long as people see McDonalds and Amazon open for business. So long as they have Netflix and their overdrafts, their daily dose of trashy reality TV, the mainstream news and endless pursuits of material wealth and possession - they won't think anything is different. But the underlying foundations of the society you live in? The role your government has and the role YOU have being ruled by that government? Very different. And it will have nothing to do with masks by then, nothing to do with vaccines. You will look back and feel embarrassed that you actually fell for the lie. By then it will be too late. We bombed the sh*t out of the Middle East and for what? We banned plants that grow in the ground and for what? That's partly why Bluelight is here, right? We demonized homosexuals and for what? We demomized black people and for what? We live under all these insane rules and for what? You think it was merely an accident? That's A LOT of accidents and we have recorded history to act as a guide and yet we still seem to fall into these dark places throughout history. Strange, don't you think? You really believe segregation of coloured people was accidental? Sorry sir, we didn't know what we were thinking. Of course they did. That's part of the plan and in order to build the foundations brick by brick they have to be able to lull the population into a slumber in order to accept that it's first acceptable and then when they are finished accept that the government are immensely sorry and it won't happen again. Throughout history we've seen repressive wars fought that actually only benefit a few who profit (literally) while the many suffer with new laws that allow their own very governments fighting 'for them' to then take more away from their own citizens. Makes sense, right?

Perhaps it's time to think before you act now. Maybe it's time to assess the reality of the situation so that history does not repeat itself and we do not end up chasing a needle in a haystack believing there is another serious threat out there we must eradicate only to find out that some years afterward it actually didn't exist and wasn't as bad as we made out but sh*t, now there's another threat but this one is REALLY REALLY real, promise! Nah, that one wasn't real either. But the next one will be. Perhaps it's time to assess how your actions are going to determine whether the response to this perceived threat is set to take more away than we have to gain by doing responding at all and simply returning to our lives. What you are doing is affecting the trajectory of your future and your kids future and their futures. What world do you want them to live in?
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1. When the mask mandates started, it was said that the masks were worn to protect others--now, when you don't wear a mask, people act like you're gonna get sick. So, which is it? The mask-wearers (who I usually call by a different word) can't keep it straight at all. Idk if it's the same in every area, but sheesh.

At the very beginning they were saying masks wouldn't help, I think in order to make sure there were enough for healthcare workers, but then we got inundated with masks as production ramped up and they changed their message to "it's to protect others", which is still the message. It's never been about protecting you, the box even says it doesn't protect you (which some people try to use to say it doesn't matter if you wear them), it's about protecting others by blocking you from expelling as many water droplets. Sneeze into a mask and observe all the liquid that sticks to the mask. If you were sick but not showing symptoms yet, or asymptomatic, you'd be spraying that all over the place. Mask wearing has been a normal and fully accepted part of airborne disease prevention for a long time, it's not some new plot.

2. Masks diminish air intake but overall do nothing to block viral particles. You are still inhaling the same ratio of air particles to disease particles, with or without a mask. And having less oxygen in the brain and body is unhealthy all around, even for the immune system.

See above. Again it's not about you, it's about others.

There is nothing new about this. In the 1918/1919 Spanish flu pandemic, there were mask mandates and business closures. In fact they actually enforced them, then. Granted, that pandemic was more deadly, or at least it seems that way, there also wasn't modern medicine then.

But yeah, I agree some of the measures some places have taken are too draconian for the disease, but wearing a mask? Come on, it's not a big deal, I don't get why people make it such a big deal. Can you explain it to me? All the arguments I have ever heard amount to "I can't breathe as well" (which is true if you're straining/breathing hard, I will admit, but I have never noticed any issue when my breathing wasn't elevated and the idea that wearing a mask reduces blood oxygen levels seems very dubious to me), or "I don't wanna, you can't make me/freedom stuff".
 
We have to wear FFP2, FFP2 is both protection to self and others.
The bad masks only protect you, and FFP2 and above protect others and you.

Honestly, I think it's fucking stupid not to wear it, and even more stupid to make ur people believe they're safe.
You have no idea what happens when the virus mutates more (which it's already doing)
It's going to get worse.

Also the whole immunity thing. Yeah, you're right, it's better for you to catch it early. But this is not about you. This is about your parents, grandparents, kids, this is about a big part of society that is in danger. So please just think about others for maybe one fucking second before you spew a bunch of nonsense.

Also, you're calling me stupid for wearing a mask?! Because I want to protect my family? Because I'm not some ostentatious snob that wants to "really show the idiots his business" by not caring about the lives of others. How fucking dare you? HOW fucking dare you even take it upon yourself to decide how intelligent others are?

Nothing of the kind, at least not with me, let me assure you of that straight off the bat. All of a sudden decent people haven't just switched turned rogue. Those who have turned rogue are those who were always going to turn rogue given the variables and triggers for it to happen. They were always going to turn against their own, that's how psychological operations work in times of war. You'll always get people defecting to the side of the enemy, perceived or otherwise. There are always people willing to turn to the dark side, to put it a certain way. The government could get you to turn against your parents, grandparents and kids right now if they wanted to. And you know what is the most disturbing part? If you're partial to actually believing your entire reality and life history was one big lie and that it should all be taken away at the drop of a hat, you'd probably sell all those people out too.

I'm not attacking you when I say this, I'm just stating facts. It's a psychological operation and you're a victim. The fact that you're so emotionally disturbed by it really proves it. How? Let's go to a desert island somewhere where there's no TV, no social media, nothing of that kind of thing and let's see how long it takes for you to calm down and start to realize that for you to truly attach yourself to this narrative like it's actually real life you have to be in the environment where it's happening. Bring your family as well, bring your friends, bring everyone and we will set up shop on this desert island and let's see who dies. Let's see the so-called impending doom hit. The only impending doom we will face will be starving to death because the chances are, none of us have survival skills. Test my hypothesis. Find the nearest place that is absolutely out of the way from everything and everyone. Spend as long as you can there in order to become accustomed to this environment and then spend some time noticing the difference. Turn your smartphone off. Make sure you're out of the way so no-one can come running upto you and scare you with ghost stories. Is there COVID-19 here? No. Are you dying? Is anyone else?

It's amazing how easy it is for human populations to buy into prophetic visions of impending doom. I guess that's why we spent much of our human history believing in evil spirits, monsters and magical powers. I guess that's how religions were formed.I guess that's why the Church ruled over millions for centuries and why nobody questioned whether God was actually in control or whether it was a bunch of power hungry psychopathic deranged religious leaders who knew the only way they could control everybody was to quite literally use the fear of God. You want to know what's even more bizarre? Is the fact that we know today that all the magical thinking of religions is in fact absolutely ridiculous. You can't cure me with your magic touch. Both of us have never met demons before and have been able to provide evidence if only by word. We all know that if a religious fellow ever tried to scare the sh*t out of us and our families with "Do this or God will come down and smite you!" we'd be knocking on his door and punching that pr*ck into next week. It's often the case that people do that today to exploit others who are naive enough, vulnerable enough and perhaps even stupid enough to believe the world actually works like that. "Take off your knickers and I'll use my magical powers to heal you of your illness!" said the perverted priest to the underage child. And yet today in 2021 that's precisely what is going on under another guise and despite us all supposedly moving on the dark, hysterical, manic and superstitious persecutory days of our religious pasts, we still crumble at the eventuality of a modern twist on that classic plot.

That's how entire populations have been put under a spell, literally, since time began. That's how the Egyptians got the pyramids built, because most of the workforce supported slave labour. That's how Christanity ruled over the Western world, because the population submitted to the insanity of religious persecution and believed it was the only reality there was.

And you using your family as weapons to blackmail others into submission is no different to a priest saying that yours will die by next week if you don't submit to God and spend your life as a peasant under the command of a Lord. Tell me what is the difference? Very little. Let's test out the truth, shall we? Find out what happens when you STOP believing in the evil spirits and believe there is some virus that conveniently resembles human intelligence and knows exactly what to do and when and where to strike and how and somehow has an amazing PR team behind it, see what happens then. Just try it. Either disappear for a while so that the main subject is NOT COVID-19, or stop capitulating and see what happens. I can guarantee your family and friends will still be there at the end of it all. Sure, some might die but aren't we all headed for death? Before COVID-19 believe it or not, people still died. Just like before the religious persecutory days, people died not of sin and demonic possession etc but simply because they got sick. But I guess the only sickness that exists today is COVID-19, right? We better throw away the medical literature on 99% of what we know of the human condition and simply replace all those pages with COVID-19, right? Make sense? Can't you see the insanity? Just test out what I said and see what happens.

The fear of God doesn't exist. It's not the fear of God you fear, it's your own shadow made into your own enemy by those who know how to make that into a reality.
What you actually fear is the unknown and because you're not able to piece the story together to figure out what lurks beyond the darkness, someone else will simply come along and do that for you. And when they do, be pretty confident that they will take control over you and your life at the same time. But at least now you know how the general population historically became slaves and peasants. All you have to do is scare them enough, divide them enough and then tell them their new way of life is the only way they can live and that they have to trust those in charge - the rest is history. Just do basic research on history of human societies to see this for yourself. It wasn't lightyears ago that we were doing human rituals in certain parts of the world by sacrificing children to 'Sun' Gods by ripping their beating hearts out of their bodies in order to sacrifice them and the blood that came flowing out of their lifeless bodies to the so-called real things that live in the sky.

Your mask is a symbol of all that dark human history, it's just now resculpted into a more relevant modern narrative that people think is right for the time. This WOULD have been an ideological religious belief only a few hundred years ago. You would have been telling everybody to believe in Christ otherwise they would die a fiery death and forever be condemned to the underworld forever haunted by demonic creatures of all kinds. People can't seem to draw that distinction because of course, the disconnect is so HUGE and people are so demoralized and detached from reality itself and so uninformed of the past, it all seems pretty damned real, but so were the witch hunts of the medieval era to those who lived in those times. You try and convince a witch hunter that they were brainwashed by the hysteria and religious stigma of the day and they would have probably opted to have YOU burned at the cross.

In today's world psychological operations is a more fitting description. Because it's primarily a tactic used by militaries to demoralize and gain advantage over the enemy, usually by getting deep into the heart of their population and scaring the absolute sh*t out of them in order to get their people to comply with the invading forces. They did it in Vietnam. They did it in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

All you have to do is ask yourself - why IS this the new normal? A virus that will come and go forever now all of a sudden is the reason reality has to change forever? Really? Just like when Christianity came to the West it became the foundations of the formation of religious rule that took centuries to eradicate. Go to that quiet place I talked about earlier and see whether any of this exists. Do you think the cows are living in the same reality? The sheep? Are they falling over dying of some elaborate virus? Why isn't the rest of the world crumbling? Why is it only where you can find us humans? It's not like the rest of the animal kingdom is immune to being wiped out, just look at history for that one. Nobody is immune and so why is it only us? Why has there never been a recorded pandemic for any other animal? Why are there never life changing global events that don't involve humans? Makes you wonder. It's because WE are the only ones with imaginations and because we think, because we feel, because we are vulnerable and because we are prone for these vulnerabilities to be exploited, we are the only suitable targets. What's even more crazier is the fact that we do this to OURSELVES.

Go get a tent, take a weekend away, have a breather. I can guarantee nothing will have changed. All that will have changed will be the scene of the theater script will have changed from act to act. But when you leave the theater, you're no longer part of the play. Understand the difference. All the best.
 
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It's a psychological operation and you're a victim. The fact that you're so emotionally disturbed by it really proves it.

Actually the reason people are disturbed by it is that it's disturbing to see so many people just blatantly denying the reality of a serious global health issue, for the reason that they don't feel like wearing cloth on their face for a year or so when they're in public, and then making it all about themselves ("I'll be fine, I'm not worried about getting it") when it has been stated again and again that the reason for these measures is to protect people who are much more likely to NOT be fine... peoples' grandparents, parents, etc. I don't want to moralize it, but to me, it's like people who get pissed that they can't smoke in planes or something. Just take a few steps to make things safer for other people. I think total lockdown that destroys economies is not the answer, the answer is somewhere in the middle. But certainly wearing masks in public is the simplest of all steps that can make a big difference (to other people, not to yourself, which is the point). It's just common sense and would be nice if people were thinking more about other people.

That said, some people are more afraid than they should be, for example, my girlfriend. It sucks, she is terrified to the point of never leaving the house, and it makes me sad. There is a middle road, which is being conscientious and careful when in public, but still living your life. I really don't get the whole "fuck it let's not do anything" mentality.
 
Dropperneck is an unfortunately familiar troll. He also loves Trump, so draw your own conclusions.
What a completely meaningless statement. By that same logic, I could go ahead and say that everyone who likes Joe Biden, or prefers him over Trump, is a pedophile, since Biden himself is.
At the very beginning they were saying masks wouldn't help, I think in order to make sure there were enough for healthcare workers, but then we got inundated with masks as production ramped up and they changed their message to "it's to protect others", which is still the message. It's never been about protecting you, the box even says it doesn't protect you (which some people try to use to say it doesn't matter if you wear them), it's about protecting others by blocking you from expelling as many water droplets. Sneeze into a mask and observe all the liquid that sticks to the mask. If you were sick but not showing symptoms yet, or asymptomatic, you'd be spraying that all over the place. Mask wearing has been a normal and fully accepted part of airborne disease prevention for a long time, it's not some new plot.



See above. Again it's not about you, it's about others.

There is nothing new about this. In the 1918/1919 Spanish flu pandemic, there were mask mandates and business closures. In fact they actually enforced them, then. Granted, that pandemic was more deadly, or at least it seems that way, there also wasn't modern medicine then.

But yeah, I agree some of the measures some places have taken are too draconian for the disease, but wearing a mask? Come on, it's not a big deal, I don't get why people make it such a big deal. Can you explain it to me? All the arguments I have ever heard amount to "I can't breathe as well" (which is true if you're straining/breathing hard, I will admit, but I have never noticed any issue when my breathing wasn't elevated and the idea that wearing a mask reduces blood oxygen levels seems very dubious to me), or "I don't wanna, you can't make me/freedom stuff".
Yeah dude, others can take care of themselves. I'm not your daddy, I'm not gonna wear a mask and increase my own personal chance of contracting a disease for you. If you can't live healthy and eat healthy to prepare your immune system for the weakest disease of all time, that's your fault and your problem. And I'm not going to sneeze into a mask. Tf? That's disgusting. But you go ahead and enjoy that, buddy

Edit: and by the way, it's not a "fuck it, let's do nothing" mentality. It's actually a "measures that we customarily use for the flu will work fine for a disease that is far less dangerous" mentality.
 
But yeah, I agree some of the measures some places have taken are too draconian for the disease, but wearing a mask? Come on, it's not a big deal, I don't get why people make it such a big deal. Can you explain it to me? All the arguments I have ever heard amount to "I can't breathe as well" (which is true if you're straining/breathing hard, I will admit, but I have never noticed any issue when my breathing wasn't elevated and the idea that wearing a mask reduces blood oxygen levels seems very dubious to me), or "I don't wanna, you can't make me/freedom stuff".
Yes, it's pretty simple.
Masks are a form of coercive control and behaviour modification designed to gradually create helplessness, compliance and detachment in those who wear them for the purpose of ensuring that the instrinsic connection between you and your body and the rest of the world is severed but also to ensure that a new way of life can come in to replace an old one that builds on the deconstruction of the realities that were involved in these relationships. These tactics have been used in psychological torture for a very long time.

What you're seeing is the destruction of the fabric of society gradually in favour of a new fabric. The question is - did people want this? Obviously not. And so the use of a global severe emergency/catastrophe is the only way you can do this in a way that both allows you to force it onto huge amounts of people but also to do so in a way that they accept as being allowable given the context. People will sacrifice all sorts of things if they really believe it is necessary. People didn't want this at all and so the COVID-19 pandemic came about to ensure what was proposed did so in a way that allowed the foundations to be placed. We all know there is no going back. Strange that considering the context and the reality of the situation away from mainstream news, hysteria and psychological operations. Why no going back? Why couldn't we just resume as normal? Because it was never intended to be that way. There has long since been proposals for changing the economy, financial sector, roles of government, societal values and culture etc, the need to reduce the population and to essentially hold the global population hostage to 'save' the planet etc. Do your research and you will see the very same ideas created for this pandemic already existed under other scenarios, they just couldn't be acted out in any way other than a narrative that people felt no choice but to comply with.

And that's where masks come in. It's a cue to the colour revolution happening before our eyes. If you've ever watched V for Vendetta you'll notice the use of masks and how they represented a mass political movement. In the end, the bad guys were inevitably going to be outnumbered by all these masked rebels. Look around you now. Feel out of place? Better wear your mask then. But where are people going? In this scenario people aren't fighting the good fight. People are simply supporting the agenda that is ensuring your reality, my reality, your kids reality and their kids reality is forever changed and for the next generations to only know heightened authoritarian conformity and restricted freedoms, and this will be a long time after COVID-19. Doesn't it make sense yet? For what is a tiny blip in time and space, life is forever changed by that one small blip. The masks are simply a form of symbolism, a cult-like object of allegiance that everybody can visibly see. And that's where the safety comes in because when people see lots of people doing the same thing they don't feel so alone and they feel like they are doing the right thing because, hey, everybody else is doing it. And it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that's just how humans act 99% of the time before the idea of COVID-19 existed and yet it still doesn't mean they were doing the right thing. That's why we say don't just mindlessly follow the crowd but now that's been turned on it's head because it's no longer convenient to recognise these truths when it doesn't accomodate the narrative. Strength in numbers. The army of the general population are amassing to defend the next steps of the narrative to ensure life never returns to normal. And they do that in all cases without really realizing what they are representing. It's like having a KKK outfit and then not knowing why people are offended because you never knew what it actually means. It's like dressing up as Adolf Hitler because you're unaware of who he was or what it means to do so. Right now there is a huge disconnect and people genuinely believe what they are doing is right, just like they did when they supported all the dark things that have happened in history. You have to get the general population on board and if you can't do that directly you do it indirectly instead, hence face masks.

All the other changes such as all the bizarre changes in how you are supposed to shop and how you interact with others etc is simple behavioural modification. They do it with people in prison and especially with people being interrogated. It's meant to first decondition you and then condition you into complying with your new environment. That's why people who go into prison become institutionalized after a while, because their new conditioning becomes their only reality. You'll notice people who come out of prison who have spent considerable time locked up will act differently to those who have not been in that environment and much of those changes are deliberate and done by those who are in charge of the environment. Some will refer to women as 'Miss' or men as 'Sir' and they will sometimes be overly ambitious to recognize authority, hence the titles. It takes them a long time to get back into the swing of things because they have been CONDITIONED to assume a new identity. That's why most prisoners aren't allowed their own clothes and why they often wear jumpsuits with basic branding and numbering - dehumanization, a form of 'soft' punishment in this example. You can also refer to the treatment of high profile prisoners being interrogated and how they are also heavily deconditioned, deprogrammed and then reconditioned in order to be subservient to their captors, many of them are given masks to wear and special clothing that prevents them from being able to see their hands and feet to connect on a sensory level to their own body, this again is a severe form of what I just mentioned, and it's highly effective.

Humans are not invincible impenetrable machines. We are highly malleable and vulnerable to our environments. We know this because it's simply a fact of life, we see it everywhere, we know what it's like to be changed by other people and our environment. We condition our kids. We condition each other. Conditioning is everywhere. Take socialization for example, we make each other sociable to benefit society. The only difference here is ethics and what philosophically speaking is deemed acceptable, and well, we all know life has been turned on it's head and so today anything is game. And here we are.

We are going through the cycle of deconditioning and then towards reintegration and assimiliation with the new paradigm. All the while a new form of government is emerging, or better still a merger with current government to a new digital form of control. And in the process, be prepared to see this in all areas of life; economically, financially, socially, culturally, politically etc. You're already seeing it now with how our digital lives are now enmeshed with this alleged pandemic and all we've already been promised this is here to stay regardless of the pandemic itself.
Masks are simply another tool in that process and what they represent are the faceless masses who are unwittingly amassing to reaffirm the direction everything is going in. That's why we you DON'T conform you're automatically the enemy. They did that to black people at one point, gay people, people who were not Christian, they did it to women as well. We've gone through the mill when it comes to finding victims. Today that victim is everybody and it's now not simply about one particular group but the worldwide population as a whole. And people either accept it or they risk being demonized, dehumanized and excluded from the group (itself a form of peer pressure to coercively modify behaviour), just like wearing a mask. The mask wear is the CCTV camera being watched by those who make the rules. The eye of the few watching over the many with the person wearing the mask as proxy, a private policeman, the judge and jury. And so conformity seems like the only option, right?

There you go.
 
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We have to wear FFP2, FFP2 is both protection to self and others.
The bad masks only protect you, and FFP2 and above protect others and you.

Honestly, I think it's fucking stupid not to wear it, and even more stupid to make ur people believe they're safe.
You have no idea what happens when the virus mutates more (which it's already doing)
It's going to get worse.

Also the whole immunity thing. Yeah, you're right, it's better for you to catch it early. But this is not about you. This is about your parents, grandparents, kids, this is about a big part of society that is in danger. So please just think about others for maybe one fucking second before you spew a bunch of nonsense.

Also, you're calling me stupid for wearing a mask?! Because I want to protect my family? Because I'm not some ostentatious snob that wants to "really show the idiots his business" by not caring about the lives of others. How fucking dare you? HOW fucking dare you even take it upon yourself to decide how intelligent others are?
Frankly, I'm the one living my own life, and it's about whatever I want it to be about. Subserviently obeying whatever order is handed down is not the way I love the people around me. Nor do I think it is an effective way to protect them. I never called you stupid. I dare because I can, but I did not insult you, sir. Nor do I intend to disrespect you. And if you want to think that I'm an idiot for not wearing one, then that's your right. I think that would be humorous, but I wish you nothing but the best and I hope you don't misunderstand that. :)
By the way, my great grandma recently entered an assisted living facility where all the staff were wearing masks, and masks were required to congregate. She was doing fine when she was living on her own, but as soon as she moved into the facility, she caught COVID and died (she was 96). Why did the masks not save her life, if they are so effective?
 
Yeah dude, others can take care of themselves. I'm not your daddy, I'm not gonna wear a mask and increase my own personal chance of contracting a disease for you. If you can't live healthy and eat healthy to prepare your immune system for the weakest disease of all time, that's your fault and your problem. And I'm not going to sneeze into a mask. Tf? That's disgusting. But you go ahead and enjoy that, buddy

Edit: and by the way, it's not a "fuck it, let's do nothing" mentality. It's actually a "measures that we customarily use for the flu will work fine for a disease that is far less dangerous" mentality.

You don't need to be condescending. So your reason is you think it's gross to sneeze into a mask, and you think old people should just get stronger immune systems. Got it.

Also where are you getting that covid is weaker than the flu? I have never seen anyone else suggesting covid is a less serious disease than the flu, only that it is about the same, at best. "Weakest disease of all time"... you kidding me? It could be WAY worse, for sure, but it's still dangerous to plenty of people.

God damn it I typed a bunch more stuff and some hotkey combination exited my browser window and I lost it. Fuck it. The gist was that I lost 2 family members and 3 other people I knew to covid. One of those people was my cousin who was 43 years old, and overweight, but no other health problems. never lost anyone from the flu. The data I've seen and my anecdotal experience suggests covid is more serious than the flu, though still very unlikely to result in death to younger people like myself, and presumably you. Fact of the matter is that old people are much more susceptible to serious disease from covid than others, and old people can't do anything about being old. If I can wear a mask and take some precautions to reduce the chance of accidentally spreading covid to old people, it's more than worth it to me. Maybe that makes me a sheep, if so, I'm okay with that.
 
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If you are a country, debt really doesn't mean a lot. It might affect the interest rate or something. After 2008 I realized we are in an artificially supported economy. Keynesian economics. Cash and currency is really quite meaningless at the State level.
Taxes help people in poverty. And I don't think the ultra rich, say Jeff Bezos, needs to pay more in taxes, what is that going to do? Bezos like Trump probably only pays $400 in tax.

I think we need to tax more across the board, across all classes, look at Alberta. It doesn't even have a provincial sales tax. And they can't even afford to pay for hospital food. But you can't tax people and provide nothing in return. We need accountability.
I think the reason we don't have more social programs and get "nothing in return" as you said is because of our massive military budget. Because we are the world police and try to protect the world. It sucks but I'd rather us be the world's police than China tale that role. What do you think?
 
I was gonna come all in here and tell everybody how you how cant treat a countries finances like its an individuals finances but I am pleasantly surprised to see several people beat me to it.
 
As a canadian I am pretty shocked by how long it took the us to pass such paltry one time stimulus cheques. We've had 2k a month since march 2020 plus a myriad of provincial benefits.
 
Nothing of the kind, at least not with me, let me assure you of that straight off the bat. All of a sudden decent people haven't just switched turned rogue. Those who have turned rogue are those who were always going to turn rogue given the variables and triggers for it to happen. They were always going to turn against their own, that's how psychological operations work in times of war. You'll always get people defecting to the side of the enemy, perceived or otherwise. There are always people willing to turn to the dark side, to put it a certain way. The government could get you to turn against your parents, grandparents and kids right now if they wanted to. And you know what is the most disturbing part? If you're partial to actually believing your entire reality and life history was one big lie and that it should all be taken away at the drop of a hat, you'd probably sell all those people out too.

I'm not attacking you when I say this, I'm just stating facts. It's a psychological operation and you're a victim. The fact that you're so emotionally disturbed by it really proves it. How? Let's go to a desert island somewhere where there's no TV, no social media, nothing of that kind of thing and let's see how long it takes for you to calm down and start to realize that for you to truly attach yourself to this narrative like it's actually real life you have to be in the environment where it's happening. Bring your family as well, bring your friends, bring everyone and we will set up shop on this desert island and let's see who dies. Let's see the so-called impending doom hit. The only impending doom we will face will be starving to death because the chances are, none of us have survival skills. Test my hypothesis. Find the nearest place that is absolutely out of the way from everything and everyone. Spend as long as you can there in order to become accustomed to this environment and then spend some time noticing the difference. Turn your smartphone off. Make sure you're out of the way so no-one can come running upto you and scare you with ghost stories. Is there COVID-19 here? No. Are you dying? Is anyone else?

It's amazing how easy it is for human populations to buy into prophetic visions of impending doom. I guess that's why we spent much of our human history believing in evil spirits, monsters and magical powers. I guess that's how religions were formed.I guess that's why the Church ruled over millions for centuries and why nobody questioned whether God was actually in control or whether it was a bunch of power hungry psychopathic deranged religious leaders who knew the only way they could control everybody was to quite literally use the fear of God. You want to know what's even more bizarre? Is the fact that we know today that all the magical thinking of religions is in fact absolutely ridiculous. You can't cure me with your magic touch. Both of us have never met demons before and have been able to provide evidence if only by word. We all know that if a religious fellow ever tried to scare the sh*t out of us and our families with "Do this or God will come down and smite you!" we'd be knocking on his door and punching that pr*ck into next week. It's often the case that people do that today to exploit others who are naive enough, vulnerable enough and perhaps even stupid enough to believe the world actually works like that. "Take off your knickers and I'll use my magical powers to heal you of your illness!" said the perverted priest to the underage child. And yet today in 2021 that's precisely what is going on under another guise and despite us all supposedly moving on the dark, hysterical, manic and superstitious persecutory days of our religious pasts, we still crumble at the eventuality of a modern twist on that classic plot.

That's how entire populations have been put under a spell, literally, since time began. That's how the Egyptians got the pyramids built, because most of the workforce supported slave labour. That's how Christanity ruled over the Western world, because the population submitted to the insanity of religious persecution and believed it was the only reality there was.

And you using your family as weapons to blackmail others into submission is no different to a priest saying that yours will die by next week if you don't submit to God and spend your life as a peasant under the command of a Lord. Tell me what is the difference? Very little. Let's test out the truth, shall we? Find out what happens when you STOP believing in the evil spirits and believe there is some virus that conveniently resembles human intelligence and knows exactly what to do and when and where to strike and how and somehow has an amazing PR team behind it, see what happens then. Just try it. Either disappear for a while so that the main subject is NOT COVID-19, or stop capitulating and see what happens. I can guarantee your family and friends will still be there at the end of it all. Sure, some might die but aren't we all headed for death? Before COVID-19 believe it or not, people still died. Just like before the religious persecutory days, people died not of sin and demonic possession etc but simply because they got sick. But I guess the only sickness that exists today is COVID-19, right? We better throw away the medical literature on 99% of what we know of the human condition and simply replace all those pages with COVID-19, right? Make sense? Can't you see the insanity? Just test out what I said and see what happens.

The fear of God doesn't exist. It's not the fear of God you fear, it's your own shadow made into your own enemy by those who know how to make that into a reality.
What you actually fear is the unknown and because you're not able to piece the story together to figure out what lurks beyond the darkness, someone else will simply come along and do that for you. And when they do, be pretty confident that they will take control over you and your life at the same time. But at least now you know how the general population historically became slaves and peasants. All you have to do is scare them enough, divide them enough and then tell them their new way of life is the only way they can live and that they have to trust those in charge - the rest is history. Just do basic research on history of human societies to see this for yourself. It wasn't lightyears ago that we were doing human rituals in certain parts of the world by sacrificing children to 'Sun' Gods by ripping their beating hearts out of their bodies in order to sacrifice them and the blood that came flowing out of their lifeless bodies to the so-called real things that live in the sky.

Your mask is a symbol of all that dark human history, it's just now resculpted into a more relevant modern narrative that people think is right for the time. This WOULD have been an ideological religious belief only a few hundred years ago. You would have been telling everybody to believe in Christ otherwise they would die a fiery death and forever be condemned to the underworld forever haunted by demonic creatures of all kinds. People can't seem to draw that distinction because of course, the disconnect is so HUGE and people are so demoralized and detached from reality itself and so uninformed of the past, it all seems pretty damned real, but so were the witch hunts of the medieval era to those who lived in those times. You try and convince a witch hunter that they were brainwashed by the hysteria and religious stigma of the day and they would have probably opted to have YOU burned at the cross.

In today's world psychological operations is a more fitting description. Because it's primarily a tactic used by militaries to demoralize and gain advantage over the enemy, usually by getting deep into the heart of their population and scaring the absolute sh*t out of them in order to get their people to comply with the invading forces. They did it in Vietnam. They did it in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

All you have to do is ask yourself - why IS this the new normal? A virus that will come and go forever now all of a sudden is the reason reality has to change forever? Really? Just like when Christianity came to the West it became the foundations of the formation of religious rule that took centuries to eradicate. Go to that quiet place I talked about earlier and see whether any of this exists. Do you think the cows are living in the same reality? The sheep? Are they falling over dying of some elaborate virus? Why isn't the rest of the world crumbling? Why is it only where you can find us humans? It's not like the rest of the animal kingdom is immune to being wiped out, just look at history for that one. Nobody is immune and so why is it only us? Why has there never been a recorded pandemic for any other animal? Why are there never life changing global events that don't involve humans? Makes you wonder. It's because WE are the only ones with imaginations and because we think, because we feel, because we are vulnerable and because we are prone for these vulnerabilities to be exploited, we are the only suitable targets. What's even more crazier is the fact that we do this to OURSELVES.

Go get a tent, take a weekend away, have a breather. I can guarantee nothing will have changed. All that will have changed will be the scene of the theater script will have changed from act to act. But when you leave the theater, you're no longer part of the play. Understand the difference. All the best.
What is this? You wrote an entire book, but essentially don't say much.
This is all anecdotal, spiritual mumbo-jumbo, you're talking to the wrong Autist buddy, I live in a world of facts.
And the FACT is that my lung got fucking damaged by the virus, and I didn't even have any idea I had it until the lung damage. So how is that psychosomatic, exactly, if I had no idea & it still happened? Did one of the Evil Spirits whisper in my ear?
I have survival skills, more than enough, I go camping at least 5 times a year. I'm also not talking about going camping.
I don't even understand why you are.

Honestly, you're just ignoring facts here, and telling me it's all mumbo-jumbo, although i have enough scientific data about this, and 0 data from you, only "US does bad things, that means Covid is fake", lol. You know not everything is a plan by your diabolic armpit of a country. Actually your country seems to be the only one not taking this seriously, maybe that's the ploy at play here? Kill off the old and the weak. Very Spartanian.
I have no earthly idea what you want. I don't believe you, not a word.
Complete jibberish to me. I'm sorry.

Just wear a fucking mask and stop finding SPIRITUAL reasons not to.
0% rational data, just anecdotal garbage. Next time try to win me with facts :)

And all of that for flipping 15 minutes a week of having to wear a mask. boohoo.
You know you conspiracy cooks try to find all the reasons for not being inconsiderate, but it's just a mask, it's just 15 minutes in the supermarket. What is the god damned issue? If you still refute even the CHANCE that this might be real, after there have been thousands of deaths already, with all our effort to ward it off, and 20% of the infected who survive have irreperable organ damage, which is HUGE, no flu has that, I don't know how to help you. Inconsiderate.

Frankly, I'm the one living my own life, and it's about whatever I want it to be about. Subserviently obeying whatever order is handed down is not the way I love the people around me. Nor do I think it is an effective way to protect them. I never called you stupid. I dare because I can, but I did not insult you, sir. Nor do I intend to disrespect you. And if you want to think that I'm an idiot for not wearing one, then that's your right. I think that would be humorous, but I wish you nothing but the best and I hope you don't misunderstand that. :)
By the way, my great grandma recently entered an assisted living facility where all the staff were wearing masks, and masks were required to congregate. She was doing fine when she was living on her own, but as soon as she moved into the facility, she caught COVID and died (she was 96). Why did the masks not save her life, if they are so effective?
Oh, no, I don't think you're an idiot, just ignorant.
And your behaviour is despicable, because you don't seem to care about others.

Because masks only protect others from droplets? We established that, you have memory issues. They are very effective at protecting from droplets, as long as you don't touch others. Touching others/getting touched is bad. Someone didn't desinfect their hands, that's how she likely got it. Also homes are super dangerous places right now, very bad idea to put her there. Can't even go to the hospital without risking infection.

So that's your example of how masks don't work? Yeah, that's why they have been used in medicine for over 800 years. Because they're so ineffective.
 
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Did you guys get unemployment benefits as well as the 2k a month?

Well when the pandemic first hit they released CERB which was the 2k a month which went for march till september while they updated the EI system to do basically the same thing but a bit more robust so that as soon as cerb ended it would automatically transition to new/udated EI benefits which go for another 45 weeks. Even those who wouldn't normally be eligible for EI ( like those who are self employed ) can then go to the CRB system which ALSO gives you 2k a month and goes for 26 weeks, but they are planning to expand that. There was also a rental subsidy though for 4 months, a 3 month credit on your utility bill, an expanded tax refund and two one time stimulus ontop of the 2k. Anyway it gets pretty confusing but to answer your question no you cant get both for the same period but still there was more than enough to live as-good or almost as good as when working.
 
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A lot of Americans now believe that literally everything is a conspiracy, and anything that the government says is automatically disbelieved. Sadly, the government is often quite untrustworthy. Also sadly, it means that when actual situations occur, it is impossible to get people to behave in sensible ways.

I don't get the big deal about mask wearing either, and no one can ever give me any good reasons that aren't either non-sequitur or self-absorbed.

I'm no covid calamitist... my band has had outdoor events a handful of times. I have kept going to band practice and hung out with some friends. I also hardly ever see my family or any elderly people or any people not relatively young and healthy. But I wear a mask in public and take care not to get too close to people, and go about my life. The lack of live music and festivals is the worst part, it fucking sucks. But in a little more time, it'll be over.

Now that I've gotten covid and recovered, and can't catch or transmit it, I'm less concerned, but still wear my mask in public because it makes everyone else feel more comfortable, and that matters to me.

I've said this before in here and I'll say it again, if they try to keep these restrictions in place past when it is sensible, past when most people get vaccinated, I will change my mind about this being a sinister plot to take away our freedoms, but as it stands, in America anyway, if it's a plot to take our freedoms, they've done an AWFUL job of it. I have never heard of anyone even getting fined for it. They make recommendations, and ask that you follow them, but don't enforce it. You'd think they'd actually enforce it, if it was some sinister plot, right?
 
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