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This post contradicts itself. You just explained how masks are mostly useless indoors, then went on to imply that wearing a mask (and sneezing into it like a disgusting animal) could save old people. Which is it, man? Either way, my great-grandma is still dead, so don't bother answering. The answer is plain as day and the question is rhetorical. I'm sorry to hear that you look at people who use their brains to reach logical conclusions and tell yourself that they are "conspiracy theorists."
And yes, people have been fined or punished for not wearing masks. Usually in shitty states like California, New York, Ohio, and Colorado. Not in my nice, sane state of Tennessee.
Except in Nashville and Belle Meade (Davidson County) you have to wear a mask everywhere. They even have those signs that say wear a mask - it's the law outside places like Dollar General and at bars. I wonder if it's the same in Clarksville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Murfreesboro, Brentood (Williamson/Davidson counties) or Franklin (Williamson County). I'm pretty sure you still have to wear a mask in Cheatham and Dickson counties. I know Wilson County is less strict to where you don't have to wear a mask at bars and they still stay open late
 
Except in Nashville and Belle Meade (Davidson County) you have to wear a mask everywhere. They even have those signs that say wear a mask - it's the law outside places like Dollar General and at bars. I wonder if it's the same in Clarksville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Murfreesboro, Brentood (Williamson/Davidson counties) or Franklin (Williamson County). I'm pretty sure you still have to wear a mask in Cheatham and Dickson counties. I know Wilson County is less strict to where you don't have to wear a mask at bars and they still stay open late
Even in Nashville, where I was working when the mask mandate started, you don't really have to do anything. I remember walking around police-dense areas after work, trying to get myself a ticket for not wearing a mask so that I could take it to court and have the law overthrown, but I never even had one approach me. I live in Murfreesboro, btw.

Edit: only place I ever did wear a mask was at work. My business could have been fined had there been employees not wearing them once customers showed up, and I didn't want to get fired for getting a fine put on my work. lol
 
Even in Nashville, where I was working when the mask mandate started, you don't really have to do anything. I remember walking around police-dense areas after work, trying to get myself a ticket for not wearing a mask so that I could take it to court and have the law overthrown, but I never even had one approach me. I live in Murfreesboro, btw.

Edit: only place I ever did wear a mask was at work. My business could have been fined had there been employees not wearing them once customers showed up, and I didn't want to get fired for getting a fine put on my work. lol
Oh yeah I mean you don't have to wear one outside but as soon as you enter a business you do. It wasn't that way when this whole thing started (it picked up in Tennessee after California) but now you do and there are signs at some places that explain if you have a certain condition you can explain it to the store and then you're exempt from wearing a mask. Stuff like that
 
Daily reminder that the meme flu resulted in the largest ever transfer of wealth from the middle class to corporations/oligarchs. I think downtown Nashville essentially went from tons of cool old time owned hunky Tonks to like five jimmy buffets margaritavilles. The mayor overlooked the fact that all of the cases were coming out of the construction industry, and not food/service. It was absolute proof this has nothing to do with health/safety

Except in Nashville and Belle Meade (Davidson County) you have to wear a mask everywhere. They even have those signs that say wear a mask - it's the law outside places like Dollar General and at bars. I wonder if it's the same in Clarksville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Murfreesboro, Brentood (Williamson/Davidson counties) or Franklin (Williamson County). I'm pretty sure you still have to wear a mask in Cheatham and Dickson counties. I know Wilson County is less strict to where you don't have to wear a mask at bars and they still stay open late
It’s only like that in neo liberal areas like Davidson and a bit of Williamson. Rutherford, sumner, wilson, dickson, are all chill. I have yet to wear a mask except once I went into the doctors.
 
It’s only like that in neo liberal areas like Davidson and a bit of Williamson. Rutherford, sumner, wilson, dickson, are all chill. I have yet to wear a mask except once I went into the doctors.
Ah I wasn't sure about Dickson. I haven't been to Pegram lately either which is close to my dad's house in Bellevue, like 15 minutes away. It might be more lax but hardly anybody lives there so whatever, ha. I enjoy driving through there though ;)
 
Oh, pardon me, I didn't know you were a medical expert with inherent, intrinsic knowledge of specifically how my great-grandmother died. You know what medical professionals who work long shifts often complain about? Hypoxia, which is a lack of oxygen to the brain. Hospitals are highly sterilized from the floor to the ceiling, so sure, wearing a mask in conjunction with that makes the space medically safe. They also wear masks because they have to do things like perform surgeries, and when they're not doing that, they never did wear masks until COVID. That's a pretty big fact that you're ignoring. So doesn't that make you the ignorant one? You act like I never went into a hospital before 2020. Your poor and incomplete examples only prove that mask-wearers are self-righteous people who react mainly based on emotional response instead of trying to reach a logical conclusion. That's a problem which I don't have.
And your post has failed to put a mask on my face. Anything else you wanted to throw in?
1. Yes I am, and no, it was just a guess. If it's not the air, it's touching or being touched, that's kind of self-explanatory.
2. FFP2 and higher grade masks protect well from Hypoxia
3. No, masks are always used if there's a chance of infection, not just for surgeries. So no, it's no fact I'm ignoring, it's a fact you're ignoring. again. MASKS HAVE BEEN USED FOR 800 YEARS. ESPECIALLY DURING THE BLACK DEATH. Diseases are the MAIN REASON masks came into play. Where the fuck do you get your data from? Your head?! THAT'S A VERY BAD PLACE TO START! Masks are used during surgery TOO to not risk infections. And YOU call other people stupid, I'm fucking shocked.
4. OK you can't go 15 minutes a week to help others. This is the point where I stop giving a fuck about you, too. So do whatever floats your boat you fucking ignorant pig.
5. You have no logical solution. Please give me one actual argument that's useful. One single argument, I don't care, one single argument that HOLDS OUT and explains WHY 15 minutes a week of your precious time is TOO MUCH to put on a mask for the protection of others? If that's too much for you, I hope it's also too much for someone else to brake in the street when they see you crossing. This is essentially what you're saying: "I don't care who dies, as long as I don't have to wear a mask for 15 minutes a week, because that's just too much"
6. Also there's many negligent workers in a hospital/home. If you think everything is desinfected all the time you are JOKING. Especially door handles are a big problem. I don't even want to imagine American Hospitals/Homes. Dead grandma is on you guys, whoever sent her there. Hospitals & Homes are a Death Zone right now and this is common knowledge. Apparently not common enough.

Fucking 15 minutes a week, and you throw a tantrum like a little child.
Yeah, and I'm the asshole, because I wear a mask and gloves and see to it that nobody gets harmed.
Actually I still got it, I think - should I just go outside and infect everyone I see?
I'm not discussing any longer with you, this is wasted energy. Have a nice day!
 
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The patriot act in full motion
Half the country loves being under the gov't thumb
they feel oh so secure

Even bedtime for bonzo actor president Reagan said the most terrifying words ever spoke are
"Im from the Government and I'm here to help"
 
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So "we all die" is it now. Hey, why don't you run around and shoot random people then? Because this is essentially what you're doing. And what about the people who don't die and just have damaged organs for the rest of their lives? Even without death the chance of irreperable damage is incredible. Hell, I'm 29, got it when the big wave in Germany came, and my lungs might never regenerate the way they were. I'm out of breath after walking the stairs atm. Ffs.

FOR FUCKING 15 MINUTES of inconvenience you can't take one small step to do something for the people around you. Despicable. I'm glad people like you are locked in prison here. There you can't do any harm

Any other lasting symptoms (out of curiosity)?
 
1. Yes I am, and no, it was just a guess. If it's not the air, it's touching or being touched, that's kind of self-explanatory.
2. FFP2 and higher grade masks protect well from Hypoxia
3. No, masks are always used if there's a chance of infection, not just for surgeries. So no, it's no fact I'm ignoring, it's a fact you're ignoring. again. MASKS HAVE BEEN USED FOR 800 YEARS. ESPECIALLY DURING THE BLACK DEATH. Diseases are the MAIN REASON masks came into play. Where the fuck do you get your data from? Your head?! THAT'S A VERY BAD PLACE TO START! Masks are used during surgery TOO to not risk infections. And YOU call other people stupid, I'm fucking shocked.
4. OK you can't go 15 minutes a week to help others. This is the point where I stop giving a fuck about you, too. So do whatever floats your boat you fucking ignorant pig.
5. You have no logical solution. Please give me one actual argument that's useful. One single argument, I don't care, one single argument that HOLDS OUT and explains WHY 15 minutes a week of your precious time is TOO MUCH to put on a mask for the protection of others? If that's too much for you, I hope it's also too much for someone else to brake in the street when they see you crossing. This is essentially what you're saying: "I don't care who dies, as long as I don't have to wear a mask for 15 minutes a week, because that's just too much"
6. Also there's many negligent workers in a hospital/home. If you think everything is desinfected all the time you are JOKING. Especially door handles are a big problem. I don't even want to imagine American Hospitals/Homes. Dead grandma is on you guys, whoever sent her there. Hospitals & Homes are a Death Zone right now and this is common knowledge. Apparently not common enough.

Fucking 15 minutes a week, and you throw a tantrum like a little child.
Yeah, and I'm the asshole, because I wear a mask and gloves and see to it that nobody gets harmed.
Actually I still got it, I think - should I just go outside and infect everyone I see?
I'm not discussing any longer with you, this is wasted energy. Have a nice day!
Let me educate you about the black death. But first, let me just clarify that no matter what you type here, no matter what desperate, emotionally-driven thing you say, I will still not wear a mask. I'm letting you know this so that you can stop wasting your time.
But yes, let's talk about the black death. There were a lot of lies and little pieces of misinformation floating around back then, as well.
But first of all, let's address these other meaningless nothings you've floundered at me.
1. I can see that you're an "expert." And by "expert" I mean that, if you're going on half-cocked with meaningless guesses about how my great grandmother could have died, you're not an expert at all. Care to further chip away at your credibility?
2. That's not what everyone's wearing. Is it? And the little pathetic pieces of cloth obviously aren't doing the job.
3. Like you said, masks are used to stop water droplets, not to stop actual virus particles from passing through. For that to work, you would need a more expensive, more technologically rich mask that has some kind of filter in it. Again, that's not what everyone is using. That's not what's being required. And even if it was, I still wouldn't wear one. I want my immune system to be strong. And unlike you, Mr. or Mrs. "Expert," I realize that I'm not going to keep my immune system strong by trying my best not to ever interact with disease.
4. I do not care if somebody I do not care for cares about me. Try showing more wit, and I will perhaps respect you more. Asking me to follow the orders that have been given to the slaves is not gonna make me listen to you or respect you. And yes, that is actually how I view the situation. I'm not trying to be offensive or insulting. I just wanted to make my views plainly clear. Hopefully you can live with that without having a bad day.
5. My logical solution is to live my life normally, and if I should become sick with COVID19 (I already have), I will stay home for 2 weeks or until I get better (as I already did). And guess what? It was literally THE weakest disease that has ever tried to infect my body. Strep throat was far, far worse. No, it's not too much to brake when somebody crosses the street. What a completely asinine statement, but it really speaks to the mindstate of these people who blindly follow orders and wear the mask. Saying that I don't care who dies if I don't bundle myself up like a mummy is not only an asinine and hilarious statement, but it also brings up the question: Why don't we all just stop driving? People die on the roads all the time. It's so much safer to walk!
Why don't we all stop flying in airplanes? They might crash! So many people die in those. We should just get rid of them!
I mean, the point is for nobody to die, right? So how about we all just take our pharmaceutical medicines, our research chemicals, our alcohol, and anything stronger than weed, and just throw it away. After all, all those things kill people! People die from taking Tylenol! Doesn't that mean that if you give your friend a Tylenol, you don't care if he dies?
Save your insane statements for somebody who is gullible enough to listen to them, please.
6. Grandma sent herself there after she fell down the steps when she was home alone. Is that your final prod to try and make me wear a mask? Blame my great-grandmother's death on me when I never even saw her or got to interact with her one time after she fell down those stairs, sold her home, and put herself in a facility? Wow, that's pathetic. But it meshes perfectly with everything else you've said, now doesn't it?

You're no expert. You're just an emotionally-driven person who is angry that I won't submit like you do and wear a mask. You made that clear when you tried to blame my great-grandmother's death on me without having all the facts. But then again, that's the second time you've done something like that. If you want people to listen to you, you'll have to speak with more respect and common sense.

Oh, and by the way, I'm throwing a tantrum like a child? All I'm doing is stating facts. You're the one who tried to say my great-grandmother's death is somehow my fault, when again, you have no clue what you're talking about. So go ahead and say I'm throwing a tantrum. It's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that the only person throwing a tantrum here is you. How hilarious you would say something like that. Oh, and you're cussing all over the place. Nice F-bombs. Isn't that part of a tantrum? Because I'm still cool, calm, and collected. Sorry you're so upset. Maybe after your tantrum is done, you can remember how to actually have a conversation, Mr. or Mrs. "Expert."
 
Oh yes, I was supposed to educate you on the black death...almost forgot about that part when I was responding to your "points." During the black death, there was a lot of misinformation floating around. The common knowledge was that you were not supposed to bathe! The water could hold the plague in it and make you sick. However, here's the thing about that: Fleas were the vessel of transmission for this plague, not water. You see, the church had ordered all black cats to be killed, because it was said they were from the devil. With less cats to catch mice, the rat population surged, making the black death a widespread phenomenon. It was said that bathing would equal certain death (you know, like not wearing a mask. Basically the same stigma.) Thing is, bathing was actually THE cure of the day. Bathing would wash the fleas off and yes, that's all it took. To not succumb to the plague, you just had to bathe regularly! But you had all these "experts" (people like you) warning against the dangers of bathing! That's why roughly 1/3 of Europe's population died off. Because of people who blindly listened to whatever their so-called "leaders" told them without ever once using their brain or common-sense.

So if you ever wonder why I refuse to listen to someone who 1) doesn't listen themselves, 2) throws a tantrum and then tries to say that I did, 3) childishly insults my family over my dead great-grandmother's self-made decision to move into a facility, it is because history has shown me that you are almost definitely wrong about most of what you say. Maybe there's a gem or 2 in there, but when you cover it so deeply with emotionally-driven rhetoric that you're actually just repeating from other people, that makes it doubtful and hard to find. The only thing I can ask of you is to stop being childish, because if I was your father, I would be ashamed.

And yes, you did throw a tantrum up there. Decide not to and maybe, just maybe you'll have better luck pushing your opinions on the next guy?
 
Let’s keep the personal insult exchanges to a minimum, per our guidelines, and argue the issue.
That's not a problem to me....I've been doing so. It's December "Flower" who has decided to try and blame my great-grandmother's death on me as an out for not having an actual, logical argument.
 
Oh yeah I mean you don't have to wear one outside but as soon as you enter a business you do. It wasn't that way when this whole thing started (it picked up in Tennessee after California) but now you do and there are signs at some places that explain if you have a certain condition you can explain it to the store and then you're exempt from wearing a mask. Stuff like that
Yeah, I remember that. Whenever that was going on, if I was asked to wear a mask in a store, I would just leave and find a different store. The only exception was the Piggly Wiggly down the street from my job that had the Mexican cokes in glass bottles and with real sugar. lol
 
It’s only like that in neo liberal areas like Davidson and a bit of Williamson. Rutherford, sumner, wilson, dickson, are all chill. I have yet to wear a mask except once I went into the doctors.
I had to go to the hospital here in Rutherford for an STD and I wore a mask in there. At that point, it's pretty much whatever, you know. I wanted my gonorrhea gone, they wanted me to wear a mask, so in that situation, I wore a mask. :p
Ah I wasn't sure about Dickson. I haven't been to Pegram lately either which is close to my dad's house in Bellevue, like 15 minutes away. It might be more lax but hardly anybody lives there so whatever, ha. I enjoy driving through there though ;)
Glad to see there are other people familiar with my area! Hella cool! :)

I wonder if anyone on this site has ever been to Memphis
 
Yeah I've been there but not since this nonsense started
Same. Not because I've been deciding to stick in one place. It's mostly just circumstantial for me. I have some good friends who live there and my great-grandma is buried there too now. Can't wait for my next visit :) Memphis is one of my favorite cities
 
This has been well documented in psychology. Just Google the prison experiments done by Phillip Zimbardo and see for yourself what can happen to people when they are given the opportunity to break the rules without oversight.
Zimbardo’s prison study has been widely discredited.
 
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Folks need a bit more skepticism of fact checkers. The fact that people think things like snopes are credible blows my mind. All of the major corporations are dropping big bucks on their own ‘fact’ checking websites. Makes me cringe
The weaponization of social media and the internet. It was always intended to be a weapon, the internet anyway. That was it's first purpose. Everything is just going full circle and what you're seeing is the reconsolidation of power and influence over information using something that was originally meant to be a military weapon in the first place!

I also am highly skeptical of most articles these days although the research paper admittedly needs credit where it's due. Then again, politics is highly involved in research as well as are private interests too. You can simply buy your way in by contradicting particular papers and then alternating the current Zietgiest with your own. I've heard from researchers themselves that to challenge this is to effectively lose your grad placement and any future of working thereafter. It's all fucked with. Does that mean everything is bullshit? No. But it does mean that lots of articles and even research papers potentially are if the interests involved have, well, conflicts of interests.
 
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