Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[December Flower]

Certain states like Texas and Mississippi have.

OK this freedom crap is officially not working.
Have you tried returning to Monarchy?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Which states have dropped the mask mandate?

Never required - AK, AR, FL, GA, ID, MZ, NB, OK, SC, SD, TN (11 states)
Have dropped (as of Mar 4) - IA, MS, MT, ND, (4)
Will dropped (as of Mar 4) - TX, AL (2)

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Posted to another thread, but apt here as well:

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Which states have dropped the mask mandate?

Never required - AK, AR, FL, GA, ID, MZ, NB, OK, SC, SD, TN (11 states)
Have dropped (as of Mar 4) - IA, MS, MT, ND, (4)
Will dropped (as of Mar 4) - TX, AL (2)

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And I bump here because, it reminded me of another image I'd seen recently:

 

[Xorkoth]

Wait, the US got rid of the mask mandate?

We have to wear FFP2 masks everywhere, any public place, train stations, restaurants, and whatnod.
Hefty penalty if you don't

Even in my state that does have a mask mandate, many places don't enforce it and I have never heard of anyone getting a fine or anything. In my town most places will kick you out, but my town is really liberal and people are on board, by and large.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I wouldn't step foot in the US if I was wearing a hazmat suit.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I looked up methylene blue, which I have some of, I was experimenting with it as a nootropic before I got COVID... looks like it has studies about being virucidal and effective against COVID, but possibly only in the presence of UV light? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[December Flower]

Even in my state that does have a mask mandate, many places don't enforce it and I have never heard of anyone getting a fine or anything. In my town most places will kick you out, but my town is really liberal and people are on board, by and large.

Wow, here it's 500€ or jail for not wearing a mask in public places/supermarkets/etc
And for a business, if you don't enfore this rule it's 25,000€ penalty

 

[atara]

Which states have dropped the mask mandate?

Never required - AK, AR, FL, GA, ID, MZ, NB, OK, SC, SD, TN (11 states)
Have dropped (as of Mar 4) - IA, MS, MT, ND, (4)
Will dropped (as of Mar 4) - TX, AL (2)

it's definitely good to keep this in context because it is really silly that people would get all mad at TX removing their mandate when FL/GA never had one
but
there's a special level of crazy that gets awarded to the states that issue orders banning local mask mandates. that's unmasked (heh) culture war bullshit: it's not freedom, it's scoring points.

 

[novaveritas]

I looked up methylene blue, which I have some of, I was experimenting with it as a nootropic before I got COVID... looks like it has studies about being virucidal and effective against COVID, but possibly only in the presence of UV light? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Methylene blue makes peoples urine green or blue too. It seems doubtful the levels in vivo will be high enough to cause the virucidal effect seen in vitro, but on the plus side you get green urine.

There is a major incentive currently not to find any small molecule treatments for covid. So far there is positive data of varying strength for various small moleclues HCQ, (hydroxychloroquine), Favapiravir and Ivermectin the positive data is from when they are used early. All those compounds are out of patent protection so no one is willing to pay for a large enough phase 3 trial. Remdesevir is pretty worthless later on in the disease, it may have some benefit earlier on.
If any small molecule treatment is approved then the emergency use authorization EUA for the current unlicensed vaccines is automatically withdrawn, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the captured regulators are not going to readily license any effective treatment whilst there is so much money and vested interest tied up in the vaccines.

nova

 

[Xorkoth]

Methylene blue makes peoples urine green or blue too. It seems doubtful the levels in vivo will be high enough to cause the virucidal effect seen in vitro, but on the plus side you get green urine.

That's the damn truth. It's quite entertaining.

My girlfriend is almost up for vaccination. Thank god, she's so anxious and paranoid about the virus, it's exhausting (for her and for me). I already got it, I'll get the vaccine after 3 months to keep my immunity up.

 

[Xorkoth]

And for a business, if you don't enfore this rule it's 25,000€ penalty

There probably are penalties to businesses, but I have not heard of anyone even getting a fine for not wearing a mask in public, not in my state anyway. Some businesses won't let you in without one, but the grocery stores don't even say anything to people not wearing masks, even at checkout, even though there are signs saying you're not allowed in. It's just for show, apparently.

In small towns in my state, there has been little enforcement even for businesses, clearly. I spent a month in a little town to do a detox with my friend this past summer, and I saw like 3 people wearing masks the whole time and every place was open, restaurants were open, no one gave a fuck, which makes me think there was no enforcement at all. I think it's left up to localities so if the locality doesn't care, then enforcement doesn't happen.

there's a special level of crazy that gets awarded to the states that issue orders banning local mask mandates. that's unmasked (heh) culture war bullshit: it's not freedom, it's scoring points.

Yeah the idea that these states are interested in freedom is insane. Freedom would be allowing a city where the people want to be able to enforce a mask mandate... to be able to do as they please.

 

[cduggles]

urine green

Live long and prosper.

 

[RedRum OG]

Wait, the US got rid of the mask mandate?

We have to wear FFP2 masks everywhere, any public place, train stations, restaurants, and whatnod.
Hefty penalty if you don't

I mean, many states never even really enforced it in the first place. Especially in more rural areas, they are absolutely OK mouth breathing disease all over each other.

Oh Lord, bring us a stronger plague, so that the earth may be wiped clean.

 

[Gormur]

it's definitely good to keep this in context because it is really silly that people would get all mad at TX removing their mandate when FL/GA never had one
but
there's a special level of crazy that gets awarded to the states that issue orders banning local mask mandates. that's unmasked (heh) culture war bullshit: it's not freedom, it's scoring points.

That map needs to be looked at in the right context though. I was in Tennessee and went to a store and a bar and they said I had to put on my mask (at the bar when you stand up and go to the bathroom), but that was Nashville, Davidson County. My dad played a gig on the Wilson County/Davidson County line and they didn't require masks and were able to stay open till 2am whereas in Davidson County the bars still close at 12am

Another weird one but off-topic, they recently opened a marijuana dispensary and decriminalized marijuana in Davidson County but it's still illegal everywhere else in the state

 

[Xorkoth]

I was in Tennessee and went to a store and a bar and they said I had to put on my mask (at the bar when you stand up and go to the bathroom),

This reminds me of a moronic sign I saw at a bar. It indicated that while you were sitting down, you didn't have to wear a mask but when you stood up, you had to wear one. It did so by showing a picture of a virus floating over someone's head who was sitting down, but going in the mouth of a person who was standing. As if viruses only circulate at head level. It's stupid stuff like that that is part of why so many Americans feel justified in ignoring these safety rules.

 

[finitelifeform]

Worrying times. What this has started is not about health and the wellbeing of society but about politics and a new ideology that leans towards the state as absolute ruler over the people, much like in China and other authoritarian/totalitarian regimes. It won't be long the so-called 'winners' are soon begging to reverse the damage they are causing.

This is the process of turning society against itself. You create the two camps; the good guys, and the bad guys.
The good guys are the model followers of the particular ideology being peddled at the time. These are the early foundation layers for building the end goal. They are the ones easily manipulated and easy to turn against their own. In war efforts the US military historically has began regime change by attacking the enemy where it hurts the most - their own communities. In Vietnam they went on countless psy-ops to break down the Viet Cong by destabilizing the communities in which they lived, doing everything and anything to turn their own communities against them so that when they returned they were guaranteed to be captured, killed or both. They destroyed entire generations of family bonds by getting the elders of communities to banish the younger fighters, to get their wives and children to no longer want to associate with them, to destroy their future prospects as a valued member of the community. At the very least no longer were they welcome. In Afghanistan during the war effort over there they did the same thing continuosly bombarding local indigneous populations with propaganda and psy-op campaigns to twist their loyalty from their own traditional values and to accept the allied forces as their new leaders. In order to create the good guys you must first find a way to make it look like being the good guy is what is more important than the original identity you assume is reality as it was originally known before this psy-op began. In today's world COVID-19 has been the premise for the argument behind siding with the rulers and gradually fading out everything you knew was you and everything you knew about others and about the world you live in. In it's place the ideology set by the new architects of worldwide change. To be a good guy today is to follow the ideology and direction of your governments response to COVID-19. And if you're in the US, Europe and many other parts of the world that response has been one of massive abuse and curtailing of the founding principles of the democratic society you live in.

The bad guys are of course the ones not willing to comply and historically these people have always existed. They are the thorn in any power hungry repressive government. And the government cannot fight these people on their own, not effectively anyway. The only way they can fight them is to get the society they are a part of to turn against them. And they do that by conditioning the masses to demonize, isolate and alienate these people. To do that they usually have to scare the so-called good guys into submitting their rule and by doing so they will be saved, their lives have meaning, they are worthy people of society, they are the real deal and are now actually part of society (like they weren't before). At one point it was black people, gay people, people that were not Christian. It's been Muslims and basically anybody of colour, it's been the Mexicans (and still is), it's been drug users, it's even been plants growing in the ground, people hiding in caves in Afghanistan. And now it's those who are not wearing masks and do not want to live in a repressive regime that is getting ever closer to merging with the ideology of places like China.

It's classic divide and conquer. Turn society against itself in order to then come in and rule everybody, INCLUDING THE GOOD GUYS. The good guys are soon forgotten about, just like war heroes of yesteryear. Sure we have ceremonies every year but how many people ACTUALLY remember them? It's too easy to forget when you're glued to your smartphone consuming all the sh*t you've been programmed to assume is reality. The ceremony is the theater of pretending they are still valuable. Of course now they are not valuable because now the government needs more cannon fodder to fight their wars and to use them for their own agendas. Now it's war heroes and it's 'key workers' and 'frontline staff'. Notice the similiarities? Now we have NEW heroes! Praise the Lord! And sooner or later, these heroes will soon be forced to come back down to reality when they realize it was all a lie. We can't even look after past heroes nevermind new ones. Here in the UK the NHS got a 1% payrise. 1 percent! These are your frontline workers! These are the heroes of the day! These are the good guys!

All that will happen is your government will consolidate all the power when the time is right and simply flick the do-good good guys off their high horses (mask wearers or not) back down to where they always were, among the general population. By then they won't NEED good guys because the good guys like demolition experts will have already done all the grunt work of destroying things and presenting the next stage for the superiors to then come in and assert their complete control. Nobody will be spared. The only people who will be spared will be those getting huge bonuses in the next coming years, the ones with multi-million/billion (enter your currency here) contracts, the architects of the lockdown who were paid HUGE amounts to ensure the path was cleared and the public were scared out of their minds and the new switched up ranks of government that now supports the next chapter of the story. You're already seeing that with the Biden administration in the US. The UK's health 'experts' have already cemented their unofficial roles as elected officials and helped to supplant the motives of those who are paying these unofficial officials. All these people WILL benefit.

And you, fellow mask wearer? You're just a pawn in the game. You're simply playing the role of do-good virtue signalling community hero, the very role the government wants and needs you to play to put enough pressure on others to believe they also have to do the same thing too. You think you love your society until you're made to turn against it. And that's how regime change happens. It's not a classic battle like you see in medieval movies where the enemy comes smashing down the front gate. And because most people are waiting for the evidence that the enemy is in fact at the gate with a trebuchet and battering ram, they will never see the enemy that is staring them in their face. And by then we will be all that bit closer to the world being condensed into a centralized united government run by the few for the many. And that centralized world government won't be bothered about your history, your culture, your heritage, your life story, your goals, your dreams, ambitions, expectations. By then they will be telling YOU what all that is about because by then they will have ensured you don't know any different. Again, that's how regime change works. That's how new power hungry tyrants get into power and that's how they stay in power.

Will life has some similiarities to the past? Absolutely. That's the plan. So long as people see McDonalds and Amazon open for business. So long as they have Netflix and their overdrafts, their daily dose of trashy reality TV, the mainstream news and endless pursuits of material wealth and possession - they won't think anything is different. But the underlying foundations of the society you live in? The role your government has and the role YOU have being ruled by that government? Very different. And it will have nothing to do with masks by then, nothing to do with vaccines. You will look back and feel embarrassed that you actually fell for the lie. By then it will be too late. We bombed the sh*t out of the Middle East and for what? We banned plants that grow in the ground and for what? That's partly why Bluelight is here, right? We demonized homosexuals and for what? We demomized black people and for what? We live under all these insane rules and for what? You think it was merely an accident? That's A LOT of accidents and we have recorded history to act as a guide and yet we still seem to fall into these dark places throughout history. Strange, don't you think? You really believe segregation of coloured people was accidental? Sorry sir, we didn't know what we were thinking. Of course they did. That's part of the plan and in order to build the foundations brick by brick they have to be able to lull the population into a slumber in order to accept that it's first acceptable and then when they are finished accept that the government are immensely sorry and it won't happen again. Throughout history we've seen repressive wars fought that actually only benefit a few who profit (literally) while the many suffer with new laws that allow their own very governments fighting 'for them' to then take more away from their own citizens. Makes sense, right?

Perhaps it's time to think before you act now. Maybe it's time to assess the reality of the situation so that history does not repeat itself and we do not end up chasing a needle in a haystack believing there is another serious threat out there we must eradicate only to find out that some years afterward it actually didn't exist and wasn't as bad as we made out but sh*t, now there's another threat but this one is REALLY REALLY real, promise! Nah, that one wasn't real either. But the next one will be. Perhaps it's time to assess how your actions are going to determine whether the response to this perceived threat is set to take more away than we have to gain by doing responding at all and simply returning to our lives. What you are doing is affecting the trajectory of your future and your kids future and their futures. What world do you want them to live in?

 

[Gormur]

This reminds me of a moronic sign I saw at a bar. It indicated that while you were sitting down, you didn't have to wear a mask but when you stood up, you had to wear one. It did so by showing a picture of a virus floating over someone's head who was sitting down, but going in the mouth of a person who was standing. As if viruses only circulate at head level. It's stupid stuff like that that is part of why so many Americans feel justified in ignoring these safety rules.

Haha. I don't have a problem wearing a mask in a public bathroom. Those places can be kind of gross, and maybe at a hospital. It seems pointless elsewhere but that's my opinion I guess. I don't eat out and only got beer at the bar so which should be fairly safe

 

[Zuda]

Wait, the US got rid of the mask mandate?

We have to wear FFP2 masks everywhere, any public place, train stations, restaurants, and whatnod.
Hefty penalty if you don't

I'm from the US and unless you live in a shitty state like New York or California, or Ohio, you don't have to at all. If I had ever been fined or ticketed for not wearing one, I would have just taken the charge to court and gotten it dropped. A simple task. I've had a gun charge against me dropped before, something you probably couldn't do in Canada, Australia, or the UK.

I just think it's funny that people wear the obediently wear the masks like they're told, and then think they have room to talk smack about people who don't. Let me observe a few facts
1. When the mask mandates started, it was said that the masks were worn to protect others--now, when you don't wear a mask, people act like you're gonna get sick. So, which is it? The mask-wearers (who I usually call by a different word) can't keep it straight at all. Idk if it's the same in every area, but sheesh.
2. Masks diminish air intake but overall do nothing to block viral particles. You are still inhaling the same ratio of air particles to disease particles, with or without a mask. And having less oxygen in the brain and body is unhealthy all around, even for the immune system.
3. Water vapors are a little different than other particles because they can condense on your mask over the day while you breath, creating a screen of water and organic material which is perfect to support microscopic life--bacteria, germs, viruses, you name it.
4. COVID19 has a death rate that is similar to the flu. However, given the fact that the calculated death rate has been steadily dropping as more and more people recover from the illness, despite the fact that more and more people are catching it over time, and despite the fact that death rates in the US and similar countries have been grossly overstated (usually so hospitals can get additional funding), it seems that the true death rate will be even lower than the flu. Assuming the masks actually do work, why would I want to stop myself from catching a disease? Catching the disease trains my immune system to handle the disease. Overcoming the disease makes my body and my DNA stronger. It's like your muscles--if you don't use them, they never get strong. Why would I choose to not work out my immune system? And then, if they do actually work, it's the opposite problem. Why would I want to trap a bunch of germy particles near my mouth and artificially increase my own personal chance of contracting a disease?

A lot of people don't understand these things. If you wear a mask every day but have never questioned it, then you're not as smart as you think. That's all I have to say about that. (Not you December Flower. Your quote just happens to be on top of here. lol.) I don't ever wear a mask, except at work.

A lot of people don't understand freedom either. Sure, a restaurant owner is free to require masks. As a consumer, I am also free to not spend my money there. That's how it's supposed to be--you don't like a business? Vote against them with your dollar (spend elsewhere). Do like a business? Vote for them with your dollar. Voting with your dollar used to be a big concept in America. I don't give money to businesses that require customers to wear masks. But I also wouldn't have called ICE, or threatened to call them. Snitching is against my code. But I have come to realize that Texas is a great state with decent culture and good laws. There are always going to be assholes.

 

[Droppersneck]

I have yet to wear a mask throughout this whole ordeal, but I don’t see why people get so upset over it. I’ve had to leave a few businesses bc they asked, and I didn’t see the big deal tbh. Private businesses can do what they want, you aren’t forced to go to them. There aren’t a ton of covid people in my part of town, but I sometimes go to the neo liberal part of the city and I can see how it might wear on someone being inundated with the propaganda daily. Guess my take is sort of centrist, par for the course

 

[December Flower]

I'm from the US and unless you live in a shitty state like New York or California, or Ohio, you don't have to at all. If I had ever been fined or ticketed for not wearing one, I would have just taken the charge to court and gotten it dropped. A simple task. I've had a gun charge against me dropped before, something you probably couldn't do in Canada, Australia, or the UK.

I just think it's funny that people wear the obediently wear the masks like they're told, and then think they have room to talk smack about people who don't. Let me observe a few facts
1. When the mask mandates started, it was said that the masks were worn to protect others--now, when you don't wear a mask, people act like you're gonna get sick. So, which is it? The mask-wearers (who I usually call by a different word) can't keep it straight at all. Idk if it's the same in every area, but sheesh.
2. Masks diminish air intake but overall do nothing to block viral particles. You are still inhaling the same ratio of air particles to disease particles, with or without a mask. And having less oxygen in the brain and body is unhealthy all around, even for the immune system.
3. Water vapors are a little different than other particles because they can condense on your mask over the day while you breath, creating a screen of water and organic material which is perfect to support microscopic life--bacteria, germs, viruses, you name it.
4. COVID19 has a death rate that is similar to the flu. However, given the fact that the calculated death rate has been steadily dropping as more and more people recover from the illness, despite the fact that more and more people are catching it over time, and despite the fact that death rates in the US and similar countries have been grossly overstated (usually so hospitals can get additional funding), it seems that the true death rate will be even lower than the flu. Assuming the masks actually do work, why would I want to stop myself from catching a disease? Catching the disease trains my immune system to handle the disease. Overcoming the disease makes my body and my DNA stronger. It's like your muscles--if you don't use them, they never get strong. Why would I choose to not work out my immune system? And then, if they do actually work, it's the opposite problem. Why would I want to trap a bunch of germy particles near my mouth and artificially increase my own personal chance of contracting a disease?

A lot of people don't understand these things. If you wear a mask every day but have never questioned it, then you're not as smart as you think. That's all I have to say about that. (Not you December Flower. Your quote just happens to be on top of here. lol.) I don't ever wear a mask, except at work.

A lot of people don't understand freedom either. Sure, a restaurant owner is free to require masks. As a consumer, I am also free to not spend my money there. That's how it's supposed to be--you don't like a business? Vote against them with your dollar (spend elsewhere). Do like a business? Vote for them with your dollar. Voting with your dollar used to be a big concept in America. I don't give money to businesses that require customers to wear masks. But I also wouldn't have called ICE, or threatened to call them. Snitching is against my code. But I have come to realize that Texas is a great state with decent culture and good laws. There are always going to be assholes.

We have to wear FFP2, FFP2 is both protection to self and others.
The bad masks only protect you, and FFP2 and above protect others and you.

Honestly, I think it's fucking stupid not to wear it, and even more stupid to make ur people believe they're safe.
You have no idea what happens when the virus mutates more (which it's already doing)
It's going to get worse.

Also the whole immunity thing. Yeah, you're right, it's better for you to catch it early. But this is not about you. This is about your parents, grandparents, kids, this is about a big part of society that is in danger. So please just think about others for maybe one fucking second before you spew a bunch of nonsense.

Also, you're calling me stupid for wearing a mask?! Because I want to protect my family? Because I'm not some ostentatious snob that wants to "really show the idiots his business" by not caring about the lives of others. How fucking dare you? HOW fucking dare you even take it upon yourself to decide how intelligent others are?