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Organic psychoactives vs synthetic psychoactives - Pick your poison!

Seattle_Stranger

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A topic for discussion, organics vs synthetics. I often find myself having to defend my opinion when I tell someone I prefer organic substances that came from the Earth. Whether or not organics actually are safer to use, we don't know, it's a simple personal preference from experience. As I explained to someone earlier, I have experimented with lots of different drugs over the past few years, many synths, organics, pharms, street powders, synthetic versions of organics, organic alternatives to synths, etc.. Looking back at my track record, I notice that the organic substances I've used (and abused!) give more consistently smooth and positive experiences while the synths I've used seem to be the most inconsistent, including pharms!

For an example from my experience, over the past couple months, I've been using kratom every other day and lately a couple days in a row here and there. Every single time, my sweet spot dosage would give me the effects I expect, a smooth ride up, no comedown whatsoever to speak of, lasts long, and absolutely no hangover the next day. After using quite a bit over the past few months or so, I not only have noticed NO adverse effects from using frequently and also have stopped cold turkey and am now on day four without using. Withdrawal? What withdrawal? Try using oxy in equivalent dosages and frequency and see how your withdrawal goes. :)

I also use weed every day, sometimes all day. Again, nothing bad has resulted from my frequent usage, I can and have stopped for days with nothing more than cravings. If I wanted to stay equally as stoned/anxiety relieved on synthetics, I've probably have to use copious amounts of benzos or JWH. Benzos are heavily addictive and carry a life-threatening withdrawal. Let's not even talk about JWH.

On the same note I've used synthetic opiate pills ranging from oxycontin, percocet, vicodin, hydromorphone, codiene, etc.. Every time is a different experience, with different results from different dosages all the time. I also always simply find myself wishing I just didn't take these pills and drank some kratom instead. :)

Lastly, on a related note, do you feel that your body has the potential to subconsciously learn and communicate to 'itself' what is good and bad for it? For example, which is actually what prompted this thread, amphetamines almost always give me an anxiety attack when I think about taking them almost as if my body is saying "Ohh no!! Not that again!!". My body never seems to agree with amps and I get anxious when around them. However, at the same time, I can smell a bag of weed or a jar of kratom and get a small euphoric rush when I think about using some.

Opinions? What's your preference?
 
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There's no difference. If you can tell the difference a synthesised dose of any drug and the same dose of the same drug extracted from a plant under double-blind conditions I will eat my hat. I also think that there's a bias here; you say you hate amphetamine. Ephedrine is a natural drug, and by all accounts that's much nastier. Chow down on a good dose of ma huang and see how it treats you.
 
There's no difference. If you can tell the difference a synthesised dose of any drug and the same dose of the same drug extracted from a plant under double-blind conditions I will eat my hat. I also think that there's a bias here; you say you hate amphetamine. Ephedrine is a natural drug, and by all accounts that's much nastier. Chow down on a good dose of ma huang and see how it treats you.

Good point, Yerg.

I wanted to chime in on this because I actually switched my somewhat-usual amphetamine dosage for 25mg ephedrine today and ephedrine is much dirtier and nastier. Would much rather pick amphetamines any day.

Some people claim that, say, for example, mushrooms vs. LSD or other synth psychedelics (RCs come to mind), the mushrooms feel more "natural", but I think that's all in the personal expectation for what the drug is going to feel like, as is commonly the case with psychedelics. %)
 
I have seen a BLer claim that he loves extracted DMT but hates synthetic DMT. That is testament to the power of the mind.
 
There's no difference. If you can tell the difference a synthesised dose of any drug and the same dose of the same drug extracted from a plant under double-blind conditions I will eat my hat. I also think that there's a bias here; you say you hate amphetamine. Ephedrine is a natural drug, and by all accounts that's much nastier. Chow down on a good dose of ma huang and see how it treats you.

Well, I never said I hate amps, I've actually had quite a few very positive experiences on MDMA and MDA. I also enjoyed d-amp a couple times without issues. However, something about it just does not sit well with me, ever. Literally as if my body's trying to communicate to me telling me to not put this in it anymore! My point is that the negative experiences directly related to synthetic drugs severely outweigh any negative experience I've had with an organic. Cocaine doesn't count. :p

I'm extremely interested in ma huang for that exact reason. I want to try a natural amphetamine alternative and draw some conclusions. I'm very open minded and have absolutely no doubt that there are 'better' synthetics out there.
 
I have seen a BLer claim that he loves extracted DMT but hates synthetic DMT. That is testament to the power of the mind.

Agreed 10000%. That's the whole point of my discussion. I'm curious as to how others feel about this because everyone's mind is different.
 
it seems to me like the natural drugs as a general rule, cause less brain damage than synthetics. of course there are exceptions with some synthetic drugs being quite safe and some naturals being dangerous.
 
Natural or synthetic means absolutely nothing. LSD is synthetic and much safer than some natural drugs like datura. Seriously it means nothing at all.
 
Ethno's take the cake if you can stomach it. Ayahuasca , San pedro-bridgesii take the cake they are so much more enjoyable to me and put me in touch with natures animal spirit however aya can get downright evil sometimes. Don't get be wrong 2ce 2ct7 and dmt have a special place in my heart. I just prefer ethnos.
 
Natural or synthetic means absolutely nothing. LSD is synthetic and much safer than some natural drugs like datura. Seriously it means nothing at all.

but speaking in general terms. i also find it funny how datura is always brought up in this discussion, as if it were some major drug of abuse. how many people do you know whose lives have been ruined by datura?

to me it seems like as a whole, the natural drugs are more forgiving. for instance, you don't find people abusing natural drugs that cause as much negative effects on the brain as drugs like methamphetamine, benzos and MDMA can.
 
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