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Opioid RCs

babylonboy said:
"MPPP" is ambiguous, I suspect that what your vendor is offering is a cathinone similar (structurally) to both mephedrone and MDPV rather than the notorious opioid.
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I have it on good authority that that is not the case. Also, it's listed as desmethylprodine. But it's true that vendors are not necessarily known for being scrupulously honest.
 
i was reading a question being answered by a pharmacologist specialising in opioids a while back, he says there are derivatives out there hundreds of thousands to millions of times the strength of morphine. but did add it wasnt so simple as some are full agonists, others not and many other factors involved which muddy the waters for a straight 'strongest opioid' answer such as he'd been given



id be long dead by now with a job like that
 
Given how many people on this forum struggled to make a standard solution of phenazepam, active at 1mg - do you think having freely available opiates active in the microgram range is a great idea? Plus, benzo OD's mostly involve nakedness and fighting while eating a burrito. Opiate OD's are fatal.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
Given how many people on this forum struggled to make a standard solution of phenazepam, active at 1mg - do you think having freely available opiates active in the microgram range is a great idea? Plus, benzo OD's mostly involve nakedness and fighting while eating a burrito. Opiate OD's are fatal.
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That's an extremely good point. People are so used to buying drugs that are cut to fuck that it's difficult to get out of that mindset of boshing a load straight away. This hit home to me when MXE first came out - I wasn't used to getting totally fucked up off an amount of powder that doesn't even cover your little fingernail. And as you mentioned, Phenazepam was just totally ridiculous in that respect, especially given how cheap it was - £20/g for 1000 doses 8o. Unreal!!
 
^ Kratom is not illegal in the UK. Not yet anyway...

I also agree that it's too risky to be selling RC opies for the most part. Profit margins from keen (well, heavily addicted) punters must be very tempting. But way too much heat in terms of ODs and stuff.
 
indeed the overdose factor looms large. but i believe for myself at least - the dangers could be lessened


hopefully people will see that i am being earnest in what im about to say, if it contravenes hr then mods may edit


my first ever experience with methoxetamine was single dose 150mg+ and actually increased from there. person i did it with was clattering huge amounts of it (half gram in a day) was baffled when i looked online just how out of sync we were with most. but it is what it is.. took so much - as with meopcp - it was largely a case of blacking out with a brief period of trippy shit as it wore off/i awoke. was observed doing the 'robot fully-body wave' thing while out on pcp - which is kindve cool. but yeah, lesson to kids.. large doses = false economy

thats why the k's pink candyfloss cousin moniker tickled us, mxe can be pretty fuckin hardcore & introspective. friend oobe'd on it (with apparent objective proof) & we had what seems to be visits by ethereal-vampire-like beings
 
I'm fairly sure I used the "k's pink candyfloss cousin" line myself. At the time I was IMing 300mg+ regularly. I wasn't suggesting that MXE is somehow "softer" than ket in any other sense that it just feels all warm 'n' pink 'n' fluffy 'n' just goshdarn lovely to me. Much more inclined to euphoria than outright confusion and schizoid lunacy. Although I do expect others may beg to differ on that.
 
(merge if you want, mods)

as for opioids... i have a very peculiar metabolism when it comes to them. regularly shot half grams (admittedly, with 'standard' i.e 20%'ish purity gear) then returned to carry on conversations without so much as a droopy eyelid. i realise this is an oft-told tale, but in my case it was true - and apparently the fault was in my metabolism rather than tolerance (tho that was high also)


if mttp is active at 200ug it probably would mean, near enough - miligram doses for myself. dangers could be mitigated via i.v moreso than intranasal - IF YOU ARE SENSIBLE - for the simple reason that one would be able to measure out a tiny dose, then use big rigs to dilute it massively.. access vein, then inject in very small, staggered amounts - perhaps .1ml a time - over 5mins or so (this is good methodology for unknown strength foreign smack too) in this way i believe o.d risks could be lessened, though opioids are the only sub-strata of ug-active rc's id have any confidence with
 
lol... you split me sham, trust you to be up at this ungodly hour. thats what i get for making a coffee and burn before completing my post, i suppose :D


and yes, i thought the candyfloss stuff was a euphemism for lacking power. but now you mention it, there are most certainly aspects of the 'opiate like', wrapped in candyfloss body warmth and euphoria in lesser dosages. all in all, still my favourite rc
 
Desmethylprodine as in the drug infamous for having a possible impurity arising from incorrect synthesis that causes instant, permenant Parkinsonism? Don't take it.
 
^Aye, MPPP but made wrong is MPTP which fucks you up in a bad way or something.

I still love odt, love it more than anything! For me it was the perfect opiate, more euphoric than gear, had longer legs and a either nicer warmth, spent weeks just nodding out blissfully. I guess i did kinda have 'an unlimited amount' (well as much as i wanted) at the some though and the withdrawals were horrible, made me miss a £800 holoiday i'd booked with my (the) missus, standard 3 days of hell thing.

I dunno why i loved it so much, it just felt right :D

Also any companies selling it now are probably scam, the few i have seen are, thoguh i heard whispers about it coming back
 
odt was what got me into trouble with opis. I absolutely loved it, i would be singing my happy heart out for hours making up songs on that stuff. I bought about 20 grammes of it and was gutted when the source dried up. All the other opis ive tried didnt come close, poppy pods, codeine, morphine, oxy, ah7921. Actually i like bupe though, though its not meant to be recreational. My dose is now so low im not getting any recreational effects from it, and for the first time in 2 years im having to try to get through the evenings opiate sober.

Its quite hard, and im having trouble adjusting but there can be no going back now. Its taken me about a year to almost get off them, for the first year i didnt / refused to see it as a problem, when it finally dawned on me that it was, its taken 12 months to be on the verge of getting off them. I think Im about 2 weeks away from being completely opiate free. Though i still have a tub of poppy powder, thats gonna be a willpower test, im gonna have to be disciplined enough to take it just once a month or something, otherwise it'll have to be flushed.

If odt ever reappears anywhere on a reputable vendors site please PM me immediatelly !! =D I think its gone for good though. There's probably some scientists have some samples of it locked away in vaults, and some dodgy vendors have claimed to have it, but from what i gather its very difficult to manufacture for amateur blackmarket chemists. It sounds like it needs highly proffessional labs and chemists to do it. We need a greedy corrupt proffessional chemist to bring it back to the market.
 
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Wasn't the problem that ODT was under patent? The sad fact being that the labs are happy to produce things that are simply prohibited by governments, but not to step on big pharma's toes. I might be off base but I think that was the issue.
 
You might be right, so if big pharmas have the patent i spose they need a justification to start mass producing it, if they are not allready doing so. I guess that because of its highly abusable nature there might be problems for them to get it to the market. I dunno. There seems to be a very mysterious deadlock/stalemate whatever the fuck is going on.

There is a huge demand from the internet drug community for this stuff, but no one is stepping up to supply that demand. I'd love to be a fly on the wall and find out whats really happening with this. I expect some serious and determined googling could unveil something, but after 3 etizolams i simply cannot be arsed atm.

With regard to Shambles point about the overdose danger of RC opis and heat this would cause the vendors, ODT was relatively mild. I mean if you had fairly accurate scales 150mg or so was perfectly safe. I know there are other RC opioids that are ridiculously potent, it would be far too dangerous for any vendor to sell those.
 
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It's patented, but I don't think they intend to put it through clinical trials, they've already got plenty of full mu agonists, what can they specifically market ODT for? And there are some vendors selling fentanyl analogues, which are about as dicey as it gets.
 
You're very well informed bb. So there's no hope you reckon ? Sad to say but if that is the case then its probably just as well for me, all this effort to get off opiates would be immediately undone if odt was to become available again. I dunno im still conflicted about it, wtf is wrong with getting as high as a kite. Yeah i know the pitfalls are potentiallly addiction and dependency and loosing your job. Thats whats wrong with it if you're not carefull.
 
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