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BlindHelperMonkey

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changes in personal life has instigated a search for a credible, obtainable opioid research chemical


during brief research earlier, i happened upon fairly ubiquitous mention of desmethyltramadol with one reference to a desmethytramadol + kratom-tincture mix being particularly potent.. though i believe the same person had prefaced the point with the assertion of having acquired a moderate habit due to poppyseed-extraction :?


the other was 14-methoxymetopon, which was supposed to be rarer and extremely strong - active at 200ug



anyone got much experience with opioid-type analogues in general? as far as i can tell they remain stubbornly unfashionable
 
O-DT was amazing, only ever managed to get one gram but that stuff was awesome. Uplifting, energetic and extremely euphoric when mixed with kratom. Spent a very pleasant week on it.
 
ODT is illegal in the UK now and has been hard (impossible) to find for ages, there's AH-numerals, which sounds mediocre at best, or things like bromadol or metopon analogues or exotic fentanyls, which never seem to surface (and would be disastrous if they did). Just buy some gear.
 
I still remember the topic someone posted on getting a custom synth of a fentanyl analogue which he dubbed 'pharaohfentanyl'. Twas an interesting read, whether or not it was legit. Sounded like a recipe for disaster the amount he had in his possession though!

I've tried AH-7921. Twas better than expected.. I did end up puking on it as I had too much (but puking felt fine. Not like puking when ill!) And I do mean to re-buy actually. BUT it wasn't amazing.

Missed the boat with ODT :(
 
A few butyramide fentanyl analogues are about, not read anything glowing about them but they're not as widely available as other RCs so reports are sparse.

ODT was good, not so much if you have any kind of tolerance though.

I'd probably still go with poppy pod tea as my go-to grey area opiate.
Might give the fent analogues a go and report back though.
 
I'v only tried fentanyl itself, but in my experience, it's only really good for getting a rush, the high itself is pretty dull, and with the slow onset of oral-dosed blotters (which is largely how but-fent is being distributed) I imagine that's all you'd get. Maybe these analogues are a different animal entirely, but I doubt it.
 
sorry i know people are going to start throwing things, but considering the financial incentives and number of smart fuckers out there - i think the whole rc scene is pretty disappointing. we still cant even find something to match mdma (i know pv has its convers)... fuck me we should have DOZENS of things far exceeding it by now. is it really a case of all the possible derivative-routes for such effects having been already legislated against?


cant understand why strong, cheap opiods arent freely available already. simply using pharmacology, loopholes and tinternet


i do stand to be corrected though as rc's arent really my forte and my overall knowledge is lacking on the minutia involved
 
The metapon and bromadol derivatives sounds really interesting, let us know if you actually find an opioid RC that's worth a damn! I'd be pretty interested in these myself if they're any good at all.
 
for personal reasons i dont really want to start getting into scoring gear again. but would it be plausible that the most effective use of these 'not quite there' opioid derivatives would be to use them with smack.. at vastly reduced levels of course, as quasi-potentiators? obviously with great care taken to mitigate the inherent increased risk of overdose
 
we still cant even find something to match mdma (i know pv has its convers)... fuck me we should have DOZENS of things far exceeding it by now.
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Hah, 80 years on and hundreds (thousands?) of compounds later, we've still not found anything that matches acid, the very first psychedelic to be discovered (by white people speaking European languages). Cocaine is still by far the most popular stimulant, heroin the most popular opioid. None of the synthetic cannabinoids is going to displace weed. People will love alcohol and tobacco forever. Why is this? My guess is a status-quo bias. I imagine that, had 2C-E been made and tasted accidentally in the 30's, and LSD sold as an RC in this decade, people would be moaning that it wasn't quite the same. Likewise, had mephedrone fuelled the early rave scene, MDMA would be regarded as not having the same oomph. IMHO.
 
this is true, people should not think of RC's as a replacement for drug x y or z, or as drugs that try to imitate the effects of drugs like mdma. They are all unique chemicals in their own right, and I find it interesting to experiment to some extent with the ones that look interesting to my own personal tastes.

people have an old fashioned mindset about drugs like cocaine, mdma, weed, their attitude to using drugs and why they use drugs is out of date and almost quaint.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
sorry i know people are going to start throwing things, but considering the financial incentives and number of smart fuckers out there - i think the whole rc scene is pretty disappointing. we still cant even find something to match mdma (i know pv has its convers)... fuck me we should have DOZENS of things far exceeding it by now. is it really a case of all the possible derivative-routes for such effects having been already legislated against?


cant understand why strong, cheap opiods arent freely available already. simply using pharmacology, loopholes and tinternet


i do stand to be corrected though as rc's arent really my forte and my overall knowledge is lacking on the minutia involved
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mephedrone, etizolam, phenazepam, and odt were the only good ones for me, though i did become obsessed with mdpv for a while, others loved mxe and mdpv. some people like those trippy things that just have a letter and a number. i think all the best RCs have been done. If there was a great research chemical, they wouldnt be sitting on it, theyd be cashing in....

planning for the futute - if there are any 15 year olds reading this (you shouldnt be tut tut ;) but take up chemistry as an a level and then degree. Then get a job in a lab and work on your secret project ! Simples. =D
 
Nah, surely as understanding of brain chemistry grows, the bods in white coats will be able to target specific receptors more & more successfully. I still believe there has got to be the 'ultimate' drug out there waiting to be discovered. Then when it is, I'll fuckin' miss the boat as usual :X
 
Yes and because it was a prescription drug in the Soviet Union. Mostly the latter really. It suggests it went through controlled trials of some kind.

It failed the trials! But for the right reasons :)
 
^ "Causes inappropriate smiling" =D

Not seen many opi RCs about. Only one I can currently get is MPPP. Unfortunately that one has a bit of a reputation after some silly bollocks cooked some up at home and gave a load of his mates Parkinsons with it. Have it on good authority that there is no risk of that with properly synthed stuff and that moreover even if it was there's an OTC med you can take with it that would've prevented Parkinsons even with a shonky synth. Buggered if I can remember what the OTC thingy is though :!

As such, not taken the plunge yet. Also, the payment options are a bit shit so just not bothered. Am quite tempted though. Full mu agonist through the post at £25/g is kinda tempting...
 
"MPPP" is ambiguous, I suspect that what your vendor is offering is a cathinone similar (structurally) to both mephedrone and MDPV rather than the notorious opioid.
 
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