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Opiates to Replace Alcohol

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Psychedelic Jay said:
Easy accessibility is the most dangerous part of alcohol. If you were no where near alcohol and you are an alcoholic, they act erratically. They shake vigorously and start to cry because reality that they have blurred away is hitting them in the face, and the alcohol has become their coping method. They seize and twitch so bad that they die from pure exhaustion.

Opiate dependent people do not have to go through seizures during withdrawal. Most alcoholic become dependent on the very drugs meant to stop their seizures and delirium, Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates, etc...
These cause even worse withdrawal over a certain amount of time.

I'd rather go through a little physical pain and depression than seize and have to take meds to stop you from being a delirious mess.
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Yea, when I was 16 I was dating an alcoholic. It was so bad he would shake and cry. One time I went to see him and he was on the floor shaking and freaking out and I had to obtain him a case of beer. Fucked up shit to watch...

Though junkies in action is some fucked up shit as well. I have a "friend" that's in pain management too... this bitch thinks she is dope sick if she's not nodding. When she does get dopesick it's a goddamn mess. Her 9 year old has to ask mommy to check his homework while she nods out and doesn't pay attention to him... it's a horrible mess. It makes me fucking sick actually. I cut back alot of my drug use just because I have seen her in action.
 
DON'T try to get him to switch to opiates

Look I agree with you that if your an alcoholic you tend to act like a complete idiot, and every other thing you can think of to call drunks. I kinda hate being around people when they are drunk, and would much rather be around people who are taking opiates I guess. Maybe cause thats my drug of choice.

However I would NEVER tell someone to switch to opiates over booze, I'd rather try way harder on trying to get them to quit. For awhile I was getting kind of bad with the drinking, because I kept trying to switch back and forth between opiates and other pills, and drinking excessively, to keep from being dependant on one or the other. In the end the opiates became the ongoing problem once I really began to use them everyday. I would say that the opiates are going to escalate into a way worse problem for anyone than booze, and much quicker. Not to undermine people with drinking problems either, they are both going to end you up in a lot of trouble. I just think "hard drugs" because of legality, and the different ROA's. The only that may be a little more positive is that according to one stat I've come across is that due to health complication, not OD's is that: Every Year 100,000 ppl die from alcohol and something like 10,000 ppl from drugs like heroin and cocaine. I don't remember that stat for pharmaceutical, but I believe it was somewhere between alcohol, and the hard drugs " H and blow".

I'm not saying your friend may not have a problem, but it doesn't sound like he chugging pints or bottles of vodka all day long, just a bottle of Mickeys (?12oz OR 40oz?) at the movies. IDk just IMO.
 
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I'm not really complaining about their actions and I wasn't planning on offering ops to them, I was just thinking in general terms. I mean if I didn't have opiates, even though I use them only occasionally yet consistently, I could picture myself drinking a helluva lot more and being a lot more like the alchys I know. Just made me think. What if instead of turning to the poppy I had started drinking more, made an ass of myself, started felt shitting unless drinking, and all of this drove me to drink more. If I hadn't heard about kratom I might be there right now.

Appreciate your point of view though CLOUDnine420 and I definitely agree that opiates can end up a bigger problem quicker. Maybe in a few months I'll be in the midst of heroin withdrawal and be like I wish I had just drank, doubt it though.

edit: 12oz and yeah they aren't chronic alcoholics drinking all day every day or anything...but most days. They just overdo it every time. 6 drinks alone, 12 drinks with dinner, 20 drinks at a party.
 
StaySedated said:
thats a bad idea, you're just replacing one dangerous habit with another. turning drunks into junkies is not the way to go.

i guess the best alternative would be to turn them on to pot, other than that i'm not sure.
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Actually, some of them may use opiates AND alcohol daily. omg..
I think opiates are far harder than alcohol, which isn't even really a "hard" drug IMO. Pot is not a healthy alternative by any means, but if a friend drinks so much that he becomes delirious, it may be a reasonable alternative. But he may abuse both. It happens.
 
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Come to think about it I switched from alcohol to opiates also. I never thought about it, maybe because I forgot most of those days when I drank. I started drinking heavily when I was 18 and started getting into opiates heavily when I was 20 although I was using both for a long time. I guess I just decided to go the opiate route without knowing it. Alcohol made me an evil bastard and opiates pussied me out. Went from angry to sedated. I'll tell you now alcohol is a really bad drug...and yet marijuana is illegal...I won't even go into my thoughts about that. I'll be typing 8 paragraphs.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Come to think about it I switched from alcohol to opiates also. I never thought about it, maybe because I forgot most of those days when I drank. I started drinking heavily when I was 18 and started getting into opiates heavily when I was 20 although I was using both for a long time. I guess I just decided to go the opiate route without knowing it. Alcohol made me an evil bastard and opiates pussied me out. Went from angry to sedated. I'll tell you now alcohol is a really bad drug...and yet marijuana is illegal...I won't even go into my thoughts about that. I'll be typing 8 paragraphs.
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Yeah, don't do that.
I'll tell you right now... alcohol is not a great drug
But to compare it to pot, it's so fucking different.
Alcohol is more of an in-your-face sort of mind numb whereas
pot is more of a "this is good for you" direct-logic sort of mind numb.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Come to think about it I switched from alcohol to opiates also. I never thought about it, maybe because I forgot most of those days when I drank. I started drinking heavily when I was 18 and started getting into opiates heavily when I was 20 although I was using both for a long time. I guess I just decided to go the opiate route without knowing it. Alcohol made me an evil bastard and opiates pussied me out. Went from angry to sedated. I'll tell you now alcohol is a really bad drug...and yet marijuana is illegal...I won't even go into my thoughts about that. I'll be typing 8 paragraphs.
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lol, u stayed with opiates because you got addicted...no other reason.
 
TheLostBoys said:
I highly disagree 1,000%
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Depends on the severity of opiate use/abuse... But when it comes down too it and your tolerance skyrockets.. the prices are insane but you pay them so you can avoid the inevitable sickness and will basically rob rape and steal even from your own mother to get your fix then we'll see what's worse. I'm not sure you have any clue of how bad opiate addiction can get.

You can be losing your business, your house and quality of life but guess what... It's all good if you're nodding out.. cause then you don't have a care in the fucking world.

Alcoholism and Opiate addiction are two different monsters.
 
Violenza666 said:
Depends on the severity of opiate use/abuse... But when it comes down too it and your tolerance skyrockets.. the prices are insane but you pay them so you can avoid the inevitable sickness and will basically rob rape and steal even from your own mother to get your fix then we'll see what's worse. I'm not sure you have any clue of how bad opiate addiction can get.

You can be losing your business, your house and quality of life but guess what... It's all good if you're nodding out.. cause then you don't have a care in the fucking world.

Alcoholism and Opiate addiction are two different monsters.
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Two different monsters that turn into the same desperate monsters.
 
Violenza666 said:
You can be losing your business, your house and quality of life but guess what... It's all good if you're nodding out.. cause then you don't have a care in the fucking world.
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Once you run out and start coming out of it (with any escape drug) you realize how much trouble you're in, and that taking the drug didn't make your problems less severe. You may have known that before, but you don't think about it when you have the drug. Or sometimes you're unable to think about it.

Violenza666 said:
Alcoholism and Opiate addiction are two different monsters.
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Clearly.
 
Lord said:
Once you run out and start coming out of it (with any escape drug) you realize how much trouble you're in, and that taking the drug didn't make your problems less severe. You may have known that before, but you don't think about it when you have the drug. Or sometimes you're unable to think about it.



Clearly.
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Yea, I am actually watching 2 of my best friends slip under and lose it all too opiate addiction... It is pretty sad.
 
i think opiate are worst if you ask me ... i was always the quiet shy with social problems...i was always against drinking and using drugs but started drinking at about 19.. once i realized how easy booze let me escape my shell i would drink and not know my limits .. every weekend became just complete blackouts ..it would always be that booze would help me to the point were i would talk to people like it was my job ,, but i never knew my last shot would send me into a blackout .. when i was blacked out no one would know how i was going to act that night but they knew i was going to blackout and be either funny, emotional, a dickhead, it was just a like a pick of the hat.. but threw all the drunk fights and bs with friends i never lost them as friends till i started with the OPIATES then me and my friendships started going down hill ..... i fell in love with opiates because i didnt have to deal with the hangovers , I knew that i wouldnt act out of control, and it help me get out of my shell , It all worked well into about a year into my opiate abuse but slowly then none of my friends wanted to be around the junkie friend... i do see how alcohol is a bad drug but i think opiates are far worst and harder to quit .. i have not drank in over a year but i can never picture my life without opiates and they have destroyed my life
 
Violenza666 said:
Depends on the severity of opiate use/abuse... But when it comes down too it and your tolerance skyrockets.. the prices are insane but you pay them so you can avoid the inevitable sickness and will basically rob rape and steal even from your own mother to get your fix then we'll see what's worse. I'm not sure you have any clue of how bad opiate addiction can get.

You can be losing your business, your house and quality of life but guess what... It's all good if you're nodding out.. cause then you don't have a care in the fucking world.

Alcoholism and Opiate addiction are two different monsters.
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Different strokes for different folks :)
 
30roxi30 said:
i think opiate are worst if you ask me ... i was always the quiet shy with social problems...i was always against drinking and using drugs but started drinking at about 19.. once i realized how easy booze let me escape my shell i would drink and not know my limits .. every weekend became just complete blackouts ..it would always be that booze would help me to the point were i would talk to people like it was my job ,, but i never knew my last shot would send me into a blackout .. when i was blacked out no one would know how i was going to act that night but they knew i was going to blackout and be either funny, emotional, a dickhead, it was just a like a pick of the hat.. but threw all the drunk fights and bs with friends i never lost them as friends till i started with the OPIATES then me and my friendships started going down hill ..... i fell in love with opiates because i didnt have to deal with the hangovers , I knew that i wouldnt act out of control, and it help me get out of my shell , It all worked well into about a year into my opiate abuse but slowly then none of my friends wanted to be around the junkie friend... i do see how alcohol is a bad drug but i think opiates are far worst and harder to quit .. i have not drank in over a year but i can never picture my life without opiates and they have destroyed my life
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I feel what you're saying but some people can handle their drugs better & im not saying that drugs are good. I know alcoholics & opiate users that own businesses & have ran them successfully for over 20 years & are doing & have done everything under the sun. Its about doing everything in moderation, whether its alcohol or opiates.

I know I will catch alot of flack for what I wrote but its the truth & some people cant comprehend that there are people out there that can control there alcohol or drugs & not the other way around.

Imo, eventually it will catch up to you & bite you in the ass if you dont quit, I know that & im hoping they understand it also but like I said before, they have been doing it for a very long time & live productive lives.
 
TheLostBoys said:
I feel what you're saying but some people can handle their drugs better & im not saying that drugs are good. I know alcoholics & opiate users that own businesses & have ran them successfully for over 20 years & are doing & have done everything under the sun. Its about doing everything in moderation, whether its alcohol or opiates.

I know I will catch alot of flack for what I wrote but its the truth & some people cant comprehend that there are people out there that can control there alcohol or drugs & not the other way around.

Imo, eventually it will catch up to you & bite you in the ass if you dont quit, I know that & im hoping they understand it also but like I said before, they have been doing it for a very long time & live productive lives.
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well ... i can see what you are saying they are just 2 different things.. i think i have came very close to death from alcohol being how i would drink for hours ontop of being blackout and waking up outside not knowing were i was .... But for opiate addicts they can be successful but it will be only amount of time before they lose it all... i mean i know a couple people that can control there opiates but put it this way i know alot of people

what im just tryig to say is that prob 80% of high school/collage kids drink on weekends and not many turn into alcoholics

Imagine if 80% went threw a stage were they did opiates on the weekends

there is going to be alot more junkies ... opiate addition just takes it alkl from you... i didnt get that from alcohol and with opiate addition your hooked before you can see it coming "sneaky little fucker"
 
30roxi30 said:
well ... i can see what you are saying they are just 2 different things.. i think i have came very close to death from alcohol being how i would drink for hours ontop of being blackout and waking up outside not knowing were i was .... But for opiate addicts they can be successful but it will be only amount of time before they lose it all... i mean i know a couple people that can control there opiates but put it this way i know alot of people

what im just tryig to say is that prob 80% of high school/collage kids drink on weekends and not many turn into alcoholics

Imagine if 80% went threw a stage were they did opiates on the weekends

there is going to be alot more junkies ... opiate addition just takes it alkl from you... i didnt get that from alcohol and with opiate addition your hooked before you can see it coming "sneaky little fucker"
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Yes....if you're popping pills to get high every day, you're on a downward spiral before you even got to the good stuff. Some people use opiates for their pain & it is supervised threw their doctor but they can still get out of control, we all know this.

A guy I know once told me he can take 25 percs & not feel much because his tolerance was so high. My opinion to that is, if you get to that stage, its time to quit because you will eventually be doing the hard stuff.

From my experiences of being around people that get drunk, compared to opiate users or pot smokers is the drunks get retarded in my eyes & you cant have a civil conversation with them. I just cant stand being around drunks because of the way they act, maybe it because I grew up where there were 3 bars in my neighborhood & I would see the stupidity everyday.
 
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