Opiates to Replace Alcohol

[littlesparkle]

^^ its one thing to use valium as a substitute to detox off lacohol and taking valium every day... benzo addiction isn't as bad for your body as alcohol daily, but it's still replacing one addiction for another

i get where you are coming from.but its much easier to manage a benzo addiction,for example measuring doses and ingesting at specific times of the day.its also much more easier to go to work,attend social events,care for kids etc.it isnt good,but at least it's something that can be managed and lived with.

 

[amapola]

The thread though really has nothing to do with detoxing off of booze. Its more in social and private situations where it would be considered inappropriate to drink and drinking is causing a problem, would switching to opiates keep you medicated and functioning.

Basically there have been a lot of good answers though and the consensus is addicts are addicts and whatever they abuse is moot. But if they could just use one or the other in not extreme excess, its better to seem a little sleepy all the time then forget meeting, trip down the stairs and reek of booze.

Tada!

p.s. also don't introduce your boozehound friends to H.

 

[Scoliosis]

Overall NOOOO WAY Jose.

As a former full blown alky and now taking 260-280mg Oxy DAILY let me tell you how it is. Really. ?
(i used to drink 750ml Rum or Grappa per day x 4 days a week)

Opiates are 10000 times more addictive and harder to quit when you get a taste of them. The withdrawals are also 10 x1000000 worse than booze. Booze can be overcome. Opiates will eat you from the inside out. And then back again, twice. Try this, choose a option and it will tell you which road to follow.

1) Drink - same as getting a paper cut on your finger and it heals nice.
2) Opiates - pull your lower lip up over your head up to your forehead and staple it there for a month.

Which one is less painful?

Yours to choose. Enjoy. Trust me. I just saw a childhood friend of mine which I have not see for 10+ yrs!!! He was slow, tired, not confident, looked worn down. He's on the methadone, I hate this shit too. He used to be the most outgoing dude ever, and op's got to him. the H to be exact. He's is a corpse walking the streets. A zombie.

 

[littlesparkle]

The thread though really has nothing to do with detoxing off of booze. Its more in social and private situations where it would be considered inappropriate to drink and drinking is causing a problem, would switching to opiates keep you medicated and functioning.

Basically there have been a lot of good answers though and the consensus is addicts are addicts and whatever they abuse is moot. But if they could just use one or the other in not extreme excess, its better to seem a little sleepy all the time then forget meeting, trip down the stairs and reek of booze.

Tada!

p.s. also don't introduce your boozehound friends to H.

again...benzo's are the awnser!its not as 'recreational' as opiates and is much more socially acceptable.hits the same GABA receptors.it much more clear,it keeps you medicated and functioning better than alcohol OR opiates,which to me always is simply a track to heroin after a few years of use.

 

[amapola]

Opiates are 10000 times more addictive and harder to quit when you get a taste of them. The withdrawals are also 10 x1000000 worse than booze. Booze can be overcome. Opiates will eat you from the inside out. And then back again, twice. Try this, choose a option and it will tell you which road to follow.

1) Drink - same as getting a paper cut on your finger and it heals nice.
2) Opiates - pull your lower lip up over your head up to your forehead and staple it there for a month.

Which one is less painful?

Nice metaphors. I choose the road that leads to the Senators being last in the East. I guess I chose correctly!

@littlesparkle Again the question wasn't about benzodiazepine but okay you win. When asked if you think opiates would be a better addiction for someone who is using ethanol in ways I listed in my first post or not, you say Benzos.

 

[stray cat]

if the question is just whether people can function better in social settings, at work and at school while under the direct influence of alcohol or opiates, the answer is clearly opiates. however, an opiate addiction is absolutely miserable, will ruin your life making it entirely disfunctional except when under the direct influence of opiates, and will lead to loads of other problems. benzos are even worse. it takes years to build up the kind of alcohol addiction that can cause life-threatening withdrawal. it takes no time to build up horrible addictions to benzos and opiates, where you are constantly worried about where you will get your next fix/pill/etc., and potentially face overwhelming sickness (opiates) or seizures and death (benzos) if you don't.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Opiates are way more simpler to wean than alcohol or benzos. Plus, it is not fatal at all.

 

[Violenza666]

I did it... it started with vicodin... then percocet... then I wound up in pain management for serious issues with my back. If you don't drink daily it's cool, but I would not make opiates a daily habit. It turns the nicest people into evil fucks...even when they have the best of intentions.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

I did it... it started with vicodin... then percocet... then I wound up in pain management for serious issues with my back. If you don't drink daily it's cool, but I would not make opiates a daily habit. It turns the nicest people into evil fucks...even when they have the best of intentions.

Alcohol is far, far worse, and the horrible part is that it is cheaper and more accessible. They even have whole stores dedicated to it. Warehouses.

 

[Sex Panther]

I did it... it started with vicodin... then percocet... then I wound up in pain management for serious issues with my back. If you don't drink daily it's cool, but I would not make opiates a daily habit. It turns the nicest people into evil fucks...even when they have the best of intentions.

You clearly have no idea what being in the pits of alcoholic depression can do to people. It's easily comparable to opiate addiction. Maybe worse. My father's decline cycle is so destructive its unreal. You can literally see his mind and body degrading after every drink.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Opiates shouldn't be a replacement, but if you were wanting to quit alcohol and you do not drink chronically, you should be safe to switch. Remember to start of slow, much like when we only had peace fuzz on our chins. You can always take more, but you can't always throw up tablets.

If you do use alcohol chronically, you need proper detoxification before you can start using opiates, as if you go into alcohol withdrawal, you might severely heighten your chances of seizures if you do opiates.

 

[TheLostBoys]

The thing with alcoholics is that they don't use responsibly.. If doctors started prescribing alcoholics with opiates i'd bet the number of deaths by opiates would greatly rise while the deaths caused by alcohol would be hardly affected.

I use to drink to get drunk & be out of control & act like a dumb fuck. Knock on wood, I never got in trouble for my stupidity. I stopped drinking 9 years ago, I use to get serious hangovers the next morning. Imo, switching to opiates from alcohol would be a great thing for all alcoholics but I know some people wont agree with me.

Alcohol related deaths compared to other drugs combined are not even close. I have an uncle thats a serious functional alcoholic who drinks a bottle of Johnnie Walker Black every night. He acts retarded & you can not have a conversation with him. People that are on opiates can have intellectual conversations, see the difference but to each their own I suppose.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I did it... it started with vicodin... then percocet... then I wound up in pain management for serious issues with my back. If you don't drink daily it's cool, but I would not make opiates a daily habit. It turns the nicest people into evil fucks...even when they have the best of intentions.

Dude, I grew up working in my dad restaurants & there were 3 bars around the same block. I use to see the alcoholics come in to eat, they were a mess & some of these guys would just turn into some of the meanest people I have ever seen.

 

[TheLostBoys]

if the question is just whether people can function better in social settings, at work and at school while under the direct influence of alcohol or opiates, the answer is clearly opiates. however, an opiate addiction is absolutely miserable, will ruin your life making it entirely disfunctional except when under the direct influence of opiates, and will lead to loads of other problems. benzos are even worse. it takes years to build up the kind of alcohol addiction that can cause life-threatening withdrawal. it takes no time to build up horrible addictions to benzos and opiates, where you are constantly worried about where you will get your next fix/pill/etc., and potentially face overwhelming sickness (opiates) or seizures and death (benzos) if you don't.

Alcoholics go threw the same thing when they are down & out. I use to see an alcoholic sleep out side in the dead of winter because he wanted to save his money for alcohol instead of having a small apartment to sleep in. Imo, alcoholics are worse.

 

[Violenza666]

You clearly have no idea what being in the pits of alcoholic depression can do to people. It's easily comparable to opiate addiction. Maybe worse. My father's decline cycle is so destructive its unreal. You can literally see his mind and body degrading after every drink.

I have been in the pits of alcoholic depression. I hate it.. and I hate being drunk.. I am one of the worst drunks ever. Which is why I replaced Opiates for Alcohol.. Not the greatest idea.. but after seeing some people I know completley strung the fuck out it really put my head on straight..

Also what works better for me might not work better for others.. I don't drink anymore period. But what I have seen people do for pills blows my mind....

I think alcohol is far worse.. but the fact that it's easily acessable might make it a little less evil than opiates... It's a sore spot for me right now because of some friends of mine and what I see their lives being reduced too over pills.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

I have been in the pits of alcoholic depression. I hate it.. and I hate being drunk.. I am one of the worst drunks ever. Which is why I replaced Opiates for Alcohol.. Not the greatest idea.. but after seeing some people I know completely strung the fuck out it really put my head on straight..

Also what works better for me might not work better for others.. I don't drink anymore period. But what I have seen people do for pills blows my mind....

I think alcohol is far worse.. but the fact that it's easily accessible might make it a little less evil than opiates... It's a sore spot for me right now because of some friends of mine and what I see their lives being reduced too over pills.

Easy accessibility is the most dangerous part of alcohol. If you were no where near alcohol and you are an alcoholic, they act erratically. They shake vigorously and start to cry because reality that they have blurred away is hitting them in the face, and the alcohol has become their coping method. They seize and twitch so bad that they die from pure exhaustion.

Opiate dependent people do not have to go through seizures during withdrawal. Most alcoholic become dependent on the very drugs meant to stop their seizures and delirium, Benzodiazepines, Barbiturates, etc...
These cause even worse withdrawal over a certain amount of time.

I'd rather go through a little physical pain and depression than seize and have to take meds to stop you from being a delirious mess.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

I used to be a serious alcoholic. I quit, and replaced it with opiates, benzos, pot, meth, RC's, pretty much you name it. No, that isn't true exactly, I was doing all those things before I quit drinking, though less often. I'm not saying this is a good idea, but I look and feel a hundred times better than when I was on the booze. And I'm a much nicer person, alcohol made me a world class asshole. Now I'm happy, fun to be around, a hundred times happier than when I was drinking. I realize I'm playing with fire doing multiple addictive drugs, but I'm never gonna be sober completely and I'd probably be dead already the way I was going on the vodka.

 

[amapola]

Thanks for that fryingsquirrel. Out of curiosity, assuming you started with booze like most people, what made you decide to move on to opiates, meth and all the other stuff? Also how long after you noticed booze was bad did you keep on drinking it? If you don't mind me asking all of this of course.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Actually I started with pot, but alcohol soon followed. I drank alot in my late teens/early twenties. It was fun at first, but after 3 DUI's, several assault charges, and several ruined relationships I'd just had enough. But what really did it for me was waking up without a hangover, LOL. I'd literally forgotten what it was like to wake up feeling fine. The meth got way out of control for awhile, so I cut way back on that. I try (so far successfully) to switch up the drugs I'm using (except the weed) so as not to become physically addicted to any. People say that doesn't work, but I've been doing it over a decade and so far so good. I am mentally addicted to drugs in general, I freely admit that. But, nothing, not even the dreaded ones like meth, crack, and IV opiates has caused anything like the hell booze put me and everyone around me through.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Thanks for that fryingsquirrel. Out of curiosity, assuming you started with booze like most people, what made you decide to move on to opiates, meth and all the other stuff? Also how long after you noticed booze was bad did you keep on drinking it? If you don't mind me asking all of this of course.

My euphoria was above the blackout range, That is why I did the switch...