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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

Eveleivibe said:
MDB - you're too harsh on yourself - I've ALWAYS seen you reply to posts in a rational n calm manner. I have a LOT of respect for you because I find this quite a difficult thing to do n am really trying hard with this.

Evey xxxx
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It was only a few months ago that i was regarded as a rabid nutter on here. I dont know how i got through that particularly bad patch. Ive had a few of them, but have allways come through somehow or other, if not exactly bounced back, then crawled and grovelled my way back into the fold lol.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
It was only a few months ago that i was regarded as a rabid nutter on here. I dont know how i got through that particularly bad patch. Ive had a few of them, but have allways come through somehow or other, if not exactly bounced back, then crawled and grovelled my way back into the fold lol.
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It's funny, I never thought you were a "rabid nutter", I just thought "he's taking too many drugs" :)

You have translated that to "I'm a rabid nutter" in your own head.

And I know I don't speak for everyone but I bet I speak for a lot.
 
hahaha, no i think it was probably someone like Raas that said that about me, someone said it i cant recall who it was. I think stating that i had taken too much phenazepam is more accurate than saying I'd gone bat shit crazy. But really whatever the cause or the symptoms the end result was pretty simillar. :\
 
mydrugbuddy said:
It was only a few months ago that i was regarded as a rabid nutter on here. I dont know how i got through that particularly bad patch. Ive had a few of them, but have allways come through somehow or other, if not exactly bounced back, then crawled and grovelled my way back into the fold lol.
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No he's right, I generally thought MDB to be a rabid nutter.

But I also admit to being surprised/impressed at your turn around... posts really make you sound like a mature person. Just goes to show how we should not be quick to judge anyone.



EDIT: lol@ my mention in your ninja ;) you knew it. Also PTCH thought you were a bit nutty I recall
 
brimz also thinks im not the ticket. I have heard so many such comments made about me over the years, that all i can do with them by now is dismiss them. It serves no use dwelling on them and wondering whether they are right or not. What does it matter if i am or not anyway, i am who i am.
 
Hang in there MDB. I see where you are coming from....know it all too well, right there m'self! All I can say is that it does get better. Each day...well, the early days only get worse, but it's a pretty square deal once you think about it. If I had to spend twenty years sick for the twenty years I spent fucked? No sirree. But a month of relative hell is worth a lifetime of freedom I daresay. (spoken on day 5 of Kratom withdrawal...gotta remain optimistic! or optimystic? No, I choose the former, thank you!)
 
Just say no to opiates and immediately start Concentrate on the etiz, try and get down to a point when you can get a script for Valium. Just get going with, and have that to work on asap.
 
MDB; I think a lot of people on this site have their own problems, and are quick to look down on others for theirs (perhaps applicable to a user you mentioned) but don't judge them as they shouldn't judge you.

You've showcased now that you can be a decent person and very mature, hope you have the courage to shed further addictions and let your good sides flourish.
 
raas_2012 said:
MDB; I think a lot of people on this site have their own problems, and are quick to look down on others for theirs (perhaps applicable to a user you mentioned) but don't judge them as they shouldn't judge you.

You've showcased now that you can be a decent person and very mature, hope you have the courage to shed further addictions and let your good sides flourish.
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i wasnt meaning to judge anyone, i believe that one of my strengths is being non-judgemental, christ who am i to sit in judgement on anyone else, i was just trying to highlight the differences in our circumstances. And its time to stop being so complimentary now, it's getting embarrassing :p !
 
raas_2012 said:
Interestingly, I've used Heroin many, many times. it's very prevalent in my area. I'll use it for a few days, then when im finished stop for a few months. I've repeated this cycle many-a-time. Never had a problem with addiction.

many are telling me never to touch it, as those few times lead to a greater addiction. Are they right/wrong, in the opinion of more experienced users?
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How long you been at that? It took me maybe a year to end up hooked. And then all bets were off. For a loooong time. Of the people I grew up casually using with not one didn't eventually fall. I'm not saying it isn't possible....just not in my druggy ass circle!

Edit- I should also add that the first time I tried it I felt at home. And this was coming from someone who had devoted themselves to the "good drugs" (psychedelics) and really thought I was on some savior trip with the distribution of such. Heroin= opposite of psychedelics for me. But she got her hooks in good.....I didn't end up in squalor, I had good income, but I sure ended up desperate and unhappy. A few years in the clink didn't sort it out either.....picked up right where I left off. I can proudly say it's been a few years since suboxone and methadone, and heroin. Now just for this damn Kratom!
 
I was simplifying just saying no , what I mean is Its fucking hard, but my point being you have something in place to back it up such as a decreasing your etiz. You have to have a reason to back up why you are going to say no.

You have to say no when you get urges. What else do you do?


Obviously saying no by itself is not going to work.
 
wcote said:
I was simplifying just saying no , what I mean is Its fucking hard, but my point being you have something in place to back it up such as a decreasing your etiz. You have to have a reason to back up why you are going to say no.

You get the urge to use a substance and you say no. And have reasons to say no.
You have to say no when you get urges. What else do you do?
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you could say something
completely different instead :)
 
You get my point?

What else would you say, I'm interested as it works for me so would like to know what else you could say as a starting point?.

I still use drugs, However I plan when I use them, but those times when it hits me out of the blue, I say no to myself and list off reason's to myself of why not to use at that moment.

This is especially true for heroin.
 
Well, the thing with yes and no is they don't admit to all the other options.

So rather than "yes I want heroin" it could be "yes I am going to do some gardening" or "yes I'm going to write a work of fiction"

Or even "yes I'm going to do some heroin but tomorrow I'm going to do something totally different".

This isn't an argument for doing heroin.

It's an argument for more interesting ideas than "just say no".
 
Yeah, but I think we are sort of in agreement of what you should do.

IE set reasons out for not using?


Again. I want people to know just saying no is not enough! You must have a reasons to not use.
 
Sure, I guess that from my experience saying yes was OK, and yes I understand that you can't set out your full position in a short post :)
 
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