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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

Fuck, i really dont want to do it but gonna flush that blister now.

Edit: DONE.

Was really torn about that, but it had to be done, for the reasons we both stated allready.

Not feeling anything yet, guess it'll take a few fays for the WDs to peak. Not taken any since 0.1 yesterday morning, so stopped on the 10th. Its all very nice and neat, stopped vapeing ecigs on the 1st of jan, stopped bupe on the 10th. Makes it all very easy to keep track of. All very anal and stuff, but it helps somehow.
 
Wasn't gonna mention this here (well, I kinda was but... long and complicated story) but it just so happened I flushed every drug in the house a couple weeks back. I won't go into the reasons but I'm glad I did it cos it's the one thing I've never been able to do. Could barely even contemplate doing such a thing. I did though and it wasn't like it was just crappy drugs I didn't want. There was plenty good shit in there. I think you may just find it feels a lil empowering which is no bad thing when addictions are involved. Good for you :)

Oh, and before anybody asks, no this doesn't mean I've sworn off drugs. Long and complicated story as I said. Long, complicated and not being discussed right now.
 
Yup, absolutely no reason to keep any. Just your minding playing tricks on you!

I just want to say one thing with regards to bupe being a relatively easy WD. Shambles and myself also are comparing it to other opiates, so when we say easy it is relative.

I don't want you to think that you are being weak or anything, its just we can think of horrible WD from gear. So it will be hard as bupe is all you know. If that makes sense.
 
well no, i have dabbled with other opis too, codeine, odt, morphine, oxy, opium poppy pods, ah7921, but bupe is the only thing i have tried to WD from as i have been on a continous opi run for around 2 years.

Not feeling the empowerement yet shambles lol, im feeling regret, but it simply has to be done and has been done, the external motivators to get clean so that im not carrying anything dodgy on an airplane, have kind of forced my hand, like keith richards who had to clean up before every world tour, if that doesnt sound massively delusional and egomaniacal to compare myself to keith richards. :o

Fuck knows what'll happen once that episode is resolved one way or another, I'll likely be at least several weeks abstainant and then hopefully able to continue onwards like that after everything is done and dusted. I'll try to take my inspiration from Ray Charles, have you seen that film, "Ray" ? Once he quit, and he quit the hard way deliberately, there was no going back.
 
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Yes precisely! Lucky you didn't try it on poppy pod tea, that sounds absolutely awful! Goes on for ever.

Never done methadone but apparently that's fairly brutal as well.
 
I haven't used in 12 days, was using a lot of gear! My groin is fucked, its getting better now, I have been buying subutex off the street, got my self down to 4mg now, the first 7 days was nasty , but I have recovered quickly, I'm seeing life in a different light now and I feel really positive! Stopping using has taken a massive weight off my shoulders!

Acidtek!
 
Wow acidtek, been a long time since I seen you around there parts?

Last time you were we spoke you had not been using? Or am I getting you mixed up?

4mg and your feeling alright, its all good!
 
Great stuff, Acidtek :)

Takes real discipline to taper and w/d if you're using "street" bupe rather than a script, I suspect. Glad you're feeling better and more positive now - it really is a great relief to not be doing all that day in, day out junkie stuff. Certainly was for me anyway. It's a hard lifestyle and no mistake, missus. Keep us updated :)
 
acidtek2pissoff said:
I haven't used in 12 days, was using a lot of gear! My groin is fucked, its getting better now, I have been buying subutex off the street, got my self down to 4mg now, the first 7 days was nasty , but I have recovered quickly, I'm seeing life in a different light now and I feel really positive! Stopping using has taken a massive weight off my shoulders!

Acidtek!
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Hiya Acidtek. Well done on getting to 4mg n turning your life around. I hope you don't mind me commenting to you with me not knowing you. I've been on BL for 4 months but EADD for around a month or so n I like to show some support / happiness for people taper / have tapered opiates.

Take care, Evey
 
SproutOnSmack said:
All taking your entire stash will do is reset your WD to your first jump, with all the physical bullshit to come with it. In 2 days time you'll be back at square one.
Don't do it, I know the temptation myself, I went 13 days CT off of Poppy Seed Tea and just as I was starting to feel slightly normal (it took 11/12 days to peak physically), I dumped a standard dose into my system and I'm back using every 36-48 hours, at higher doses than pre-quit attempt.
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From what i have gathered poppy pods are one of the worst and most drawn out opis to w/d from, im not sure if the same applies to the seed tea but i would presume so. If you want to try quitting again, it'd probably be easier if you switched to a different type of opi. Im hardly an expert, this is just my 2nd attempt at quitting today, but i dont think i could have coped with the w/ds from poppys as they can last up to a month i read someone post that somewhere on BL, dunno if its true. :\
 
yeah i found the psychological things started coming in when the doses got very low, but my moods have really been swinging all over the place, thank god im not working atm, id be driving everyone nuts, and benzos do help so much when you just want a mental break if your head ends up your own arse, so to speak.

The physical side of it has seemed very different, on this my 2nd quit attempt, giving up smoking /vapeing ecigs has helped massively with that, my dual diagnosis worker says giving up cigs/ecigs increases the channce of success. I can well believe it, i also introduced a little baby step from 0.2 to 0.1 to 0. havent felt hardly any physical difference yet. So far i found the hardest bits dropping from 2mg to 1.5, 1.5 to 1.0, 1.0 to 0.5, then 0.5 to 0.2 was the hardest of all. The last 2 or 3 steps have been easy so far, very early days yet though. Probably got 2 or 3 days until the WDs really start kicking in.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
... my dual diagnosis worker says giving up cigs/ecigs increases the channce of success.
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Did s/he happen to tell you why this might be? I need to be giving up smoking anyway and am not currently in the market for quitting bupe cos I'm using it for "legit" purposes rather than recreationally aside from the odd blow-out once in a while, but I'd be interested to hear what the link between quitting nicotine and quitting bupe (or maybe other stuff in general? just opies? just bupe?) would be other than it being a good demonstration of willpower.

It's a genuine question btw (I'm aware it may sound like I'm being sniffy or sarcy but I'm not). Would be interested if there is a genuine link.
 
No, there was a lot to cram in that meeting, and that kind of got overlooked; i didnt think to ask, I will ask her next time i see her towards the end of the month. She is full of usefull health related & mental health related knowledge. I was at risk of developing diabetes with my opi and mirtazapine caramel chocolate gorging, and not getting enough proper nutrition either, I wouldnt have made those changes if it wasnt for her.

Just subjectively though i feel miles better physically. I fall asleep within minutes at night (Im never gonna finish reading Clive Barker's Cabal at this rate) and find it easier to get out of bed in the morningst, this falling asleep thing was allways a problem whilst i was smoking/vapeing nicotine.
 
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Shambles said:
Great stuff, Acidtek :)

Takes real discipline to taper and w/d if you're using "street" bupe rather than a script, I suspect.
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well discipline is not my strong point, but even i have very nearly almost done it that way, it's just a matter of holding out now. I was using the net rather than the street but the same thing still applies; I was in control of my own taper. In truth it was the financial ruination of the habit that shocked me into the realisation that i couldnt keep taking that stuff for ever.
 
embarrasingly i havent really got a clue, possibly 10 months or so. I was on ~8mg, just taking 4mg chunks whenever i felt like it for the first 2 or 3 months, before i realised i was breaking my own bank, and then ive been gradually tapering down ever since i realised that. I found it quite easy to get down to 2mg. It got tougher below that dose.
 
Sorry evel I can't quite remember what your own view is on what you see your relationship with bupe is?

I'm interested do you think its an either or? Would you agree that it is a mixture of the two?

Don't mean to turn on you as I say I'm just interested.
 
what do folk think about stuff like Valerian Root and Pregabalin, they have seemed to help with WDs in the past, but my only concern is that they might delay and string out things, and i might be better facing things full on, if i can ?

I'm pretty sure they dont do anything directly to any opi receptors so in theory there shouldnt be any problem taking substances like this ?
 
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