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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

Don't make the mistake of slipping into booze. I and I'm sure other will know of more than person who got of the gear then became an alcoholic.

Just saying be careful with regards to booze.

Yeah 0.2 to 0.1 will still be much easier than 0.2 to 0 for obvious reason.

So when you going to go to 0?
 
not quite sure yet, ive felt about 95% fine on 0.1 since i cut down to that last saturday, today ive felt just fleetingly rough, possibly cos i had a bit to drink and some noids and i forgot to take my mirtazapine and i didnt sleep well last night, i was gonna do the jump tomorrow, after ive seen my key worker and counsellor today, but someone said i may need to make more allowances for the extremely long half life and elimination time of bupe, surely by day 6 (144 hours) all the 0.2 dose remnants should have been eliminated, and as i have felt ok on 0.1 so far, im gonna jump tomorrow or saturday.

Not sure if i should leave it a bit longer to use up all the pills, otherwise im gonna have some sitting there possibly tempting me after ive jumped, which didnt help last time i tried.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Not sure if i should leave it a bit longer to use up all the pills, otherwise im gonna have some sitting there possibly tempting me after ive jumped, which didnt help last time i tried.
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Personally, I'd suggest it's probably not such a hot idea to have "spare" pills left over at the end of your taper cos... well... the 'cos' is fairly obvious as you no doubt noticed last time. Do you think you'd be able to flush (or otherwise dispose of) any you have left after whatever period you decide to stay on 0.1mg? If not it's probably best to work your taper so you do use them all, I suspect. No point leaving loose ends. Maybe see how you are feeling once you've gone down to 0.1mg and given yourself a chance to settle and adjust.
 
yeah i agree about the loose ends, its hard to bring myself to flush them, ive been on 0.1 since last saturday and have barely noticed any difference from the 0.2 dose, apart from my mind becoming more restless in the evenings, something i really do not like, and havent adjusted to or started coping with yet. Also having lots of mood swings this last week, from feeling bad to feeling great. All to be expected i spose, apart from the feeling great thing. :?
 
Remember that buprenorphine will have suppressed your emotions almost completely. So it's no wonder you're starting to feel weird. That will probably include periods of feeling pretty good.

All part of the process.
 
Ok. Cheers for that, i guess its a bonus, i was expecting to feel terrible all the time, until the support from yourself, shambles and brimz finally made its way through my skull, so having the occasional day of feeling good really is totally unexpected, and yourself and brimz and shambles have helped massively to downplay the w/ds which has helped me believe i can do it.
 
Yup, exactly as Sammy pointed out, you will be on that proverbial emotional rollercoaster until your brain and bod readjust to their newly unopiated state. It's quite common to actually feel really high and euphoric - manic even - at times during w/d. It will all even out. Just a case of tagging along for the ride really. It's always worth reminding yourself that what you are feeling is directly linked to the changes in brain chemistry - what you feel mentally and emotionally during tapering and w/d is massively exaggerated. Warped even sometimes. It is you but it's not the way it's gonna stay - it will settle.

And of course you can do it - everybody can :)<3
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Ok. Cheers for that, i guess its a bonus, i was expecting to feel terrible all the time, until the support from yourself, shambles and brimz finally made its way through my skull, so having the occasional day of feeling good really is totally unexpected, and yourself and brimz and shambles have helped massively to downplay the w/ds which has helped me believe i can do it.
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Good for u mate right let's forget about the .1 n 00.1 n so on that's the easy bit as Sammy has already touched on it's the blunted emotions n such like that are going to be the real fuker here .

Just please don't use Alcohol in anyway as that will make it all much more difficult , we all know what emotions n booze together create n it ain't pretty .

G'wan wid it .
 
I think theses peeps are speaking sense. I can relate to the not feeling able to throw the away part so I agree that it may be best to use until they are all gone. Maybe look at the date of when this is n put it on here so we can all get behind you n motivate you. I know I've not yet been where you are, so I cannot truly advise you as others have but I will be here to listen n offer words of support if that's ok n I think the advice these people have given is sensible n spot on.

Rooting for ya!

Evey xxxx
 
Cheers, i am so gratefull to these 3 people, the jobs not done yet but i believe i can do it.

I have temporarirly re-introduced an extra 2mg etizolam mid evening dose to help me deal with the new and very unwelcome 'mind floods', obsessing and worrying over nothing for hours, it drives me mad, but etiz stops all that shit stone dead. Ive allready got an etiz problem, if it only gets 2mg worse whilst i get off bupe then thats not too bad. I can think about lowering that AGAIN when im about a month clear of bupe.
 
Yup. One thing at a time, MDB. You really can't be trying to taper and withdraw from two classes of drug at once. Once you've gotten the bupe cluck out the way and are back on an even keel (opioid-wise anyway) you can turn attentions to benzos. For now, just keep on doing what you've been doing and try to stay positive. You have done brilliantly so far, there is no reason whatsoever to think that's gonna change. Nearly there :)
 
Keep at it, MDB! In the least condescending way possible: I'm really happy to see you getting off this vile class of drugs, you are doing better than so many of us have done.
Keep going! :)
 
thankyou, it doiesnt sound condescending atall. I sometimes get paranoid when ive attempted to write a post attempting to support or encourage someone else that it sounds patronising, but its just nice that people take the time and effort to write a couple of lines and put at least a bit of thought into it.

Hows things going with you ? Have you tried the bupe route if you're struggling to quit heroin ? Im not sure if its a good idea to recommend that or not. Im sure those with more knowledge and experience will answer that better than i can.

I have a small number of 0.2 pills left, im seriously tempted to just bosh the lot tomorrow, go out on a bit of a bang as it were, could have a nice day listening to my favourite tunes, bupe is very good for music enhancement i will miss that, maybe even go hiking with my mp3 player if the weathers not too shit. Really dunno yet. Might get some responses to help me decide about this. I guess when this larger dose wears off in 2,3,4 days time i might feel a lot rougher than if id just stuck to 0.1 mg and jumped. But The Opiphile Forum recommends this as a a taper method, take a larger than normal dose, on day 1 of a drop or jump, and ride out the first few days on the long half life. I really dunno though. Could work, might well not do either. 8(

I think i tried this method on aboiut 4 of my dose reductions IIRC, it seemed to ease out about half of them, but not all. I dunno if theres anything to loose by doing this, i get rid of future bupe temptations all in one fell swoop, im guarenteed 2 or 3 days of full tip top health, during which time i can try to eat really well and buy plenty of healthy food for when the w/d kicks in. I got tons of chicken soup and tomoto soup on sale cheap at asda the other day.
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
I have a small number of 0.2 pills left, im seriously tempted to just bosh the lot tomorrow, go out on a bit of a bang as it were...
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I stopped reading there.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!
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Is that clear enough? ;)

Don't. Just don't. Everybody wants to do it, everybody thinks it's a great idea, everybody then goes right back to square one. Horrible idea, sadly. Just doesn't work. I suspect this is the etiz talking - maybe a lil overconfident at the moment. Just think about it tomorrow. What would actually happen if you took all your stash at once? Even if it's not that much (as in OD risk). It means your system is now suddenly rammed full of bupe when it's just gotten used to having almost none. Wanna take a guess as to how you'll feel when it starts to wear off? ;)

I totally get the reasoning and stuff - we (who've done the opi addiction thing) have all done it... mostly many, many times. I'd strongly recommend learning from the mistakes of so many others: it never works. Never. Stick to the plan cos that is working :)
 
NO NO NO!

Please don't! You will put more bupe into your system, so then you have more to 'get ride of' than of you jump from 0.1

So please please don't do it!

also if your not going to do the taper till you run out please flush them down the toilet. It doesn't matter how well you think you hide them or whatever your plan would be when your in full WD you would march across Manchester, heck you would get a taxi down to London just to get your bupe! There is no reason to keep any bupe about. Once you are clean never touch that stuff again!
 
dah, not what i wanted to hear but i suspect you are both right. :\

Apparently on Opiphile it is a tried and trusted taper method, i have tried it, it seemed hit and miss doing that for dose reductions, it does 'see you good' for a few days, i suspect the final jump is a different matter to taper reductions, and that its probably even less likely to work at this stage, regrettably. :\
 
yeah i know, as tempting as it is, im not going to do it (that finish on a binge thing.) Today is D day, so to speak, got precisley half a blister left, its very difficult and goes against every grain and instinct to flush them, but i think, in fact i know im going to have to do it, if the wds get severe at any point, having 'the cure' just sitting there is gonna be extremely torturous and hard to resist.
 
All taking your entire stash will do is reset your WD to your first jump, with all the physical bullshit to come with it. In 2 days time you'll be back at square one.
Don't do it, I know the temptation myself, I went 13 days CT off of Poppy Seed Tea and just as I was starting to feel slightly normal (it took 11/12 days to peak physically), I dumped a standard dose into my system and I'm back using every 36-48 hours, at higher doses than pre-quit attempt.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
yeah i know, as tempting as it is, im not going to do it (that finish on a binge thing.) Today is D day, so to speak, got precisley half a blister left, its very difficult and goes against every grain and instinct to flush them, but i think, in fact i know im going to have to do it, if the wds get severe at any point, having 'the cure' just sitting there is gonna be extremely torturous and hard to resist.
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Good call, MDB. You said it yourself - it's pretty much a case of setting yourself up to fail if you keep some "for emergencies" or whatever. You're either quitting or you're not. And it appears you are - and are almost there. Once your last dose has been taken you've only got a few days of what should be fairly minor physical gripes (just as you've been dealing with every other time you dropped down a dose). I never noticed any lingering issues when I came off bupe - there's no reason to think you'll find it any harder. It will be easier to not look back if you don't have reminders lying around the place like blister packs - especially ones that still have pills in.

Almost done - and do please keep us updated :)
 
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