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On Extraction and Synthetic Drugs

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Hahaha... you must be working with shitty plants.

They're only good if you grow them and harvest them yourself... otherwise they are normally weak, stale and old.



That makes no sense.

If you don't grow them well, they won't be good.

If someone else does, they will.

The quality has nothing to do with whether or not you personally grew them.

As far as a 'good set of questions', not everything can be reduced to a checklist: There are an infinite number of variables, and all you can do is keep yourself educated on the known effects/consequences of the drugs.

Ya know, at first this was worthwhile to try and point out your contradictions and nonsense, but it's getting too easy now.

Your way isn't the only way. Get off your high horse. Your understanding of "safety" is excessive beyond the point of harm reduction.
 
Plants are also not ideal for many situations. Like if I want to go commune with 10,000 of my friends at a concert, I want to take LSD-- ayahuasca or morning glory seeds would be too heavy on the body for me to be able to enjoy myself.

Not even to mention, that you have no way of knowing the alkaloid content of the plants you're ingesting. If you're dealing with a pure substance, you have complete control over your dose.

I'm just throwing that out there. :)
 
Not even to mention, that you have no way of knowing the alkaloid content of the plants you're ingesting. If you're dealing with a pure substance, you have complete control over your dose.

Not to mention the tannins which are a good thing in low doses (like in wine, tea) but are absolutely revolting and nauseating when concentrated in a disgusting infusion of certain natural psychoactive brews.

Boy if I can avoid the tannins and shit in the plant and cut to the good stuff and have the means to dose it appropriately, fuck the brew!
 
This guy obviously just trolls for attention. He probably sits around & jerks it while he reads through all the responses his posts get.
 
This guy obviously just trolls for attention. He probably sits around & jerks it while he reads through all the responses his posts get.

ONLY on Tuesdays...

Your understanding of "safety" is excessive beyond the point of harm reduction.

I disagree and so would most normal people not on drug sites.
 
only because "most normal people not on drug sites" are ignorant of the structural relationship many of these synthetic compounds have to the natural counterparts. HERE we have intelligent discussion about receptor affinities, metabolic products, and first-hand reports about toxicity or lack thereof.

sorry teotzl, you just sound exactly like sensationalist feds who tell mothers to hide their children because omgz DMT is made from drain cleaner! mescaline contains pure hydrochloric acid! LSD will stay in your spinal fluid and turn you into a crazy homeless person! once you go black you never go back! you can get AIDS just from shaking hands with married gay couples!

did you know dihydrogen monoxide is deadly when inhaled, is a major component of acid rain, yet it is found in elementary school classrooms? BAN DHMO!

give us a break man.
 
lulz dihydro should be h20.....alright what the fuck about opium then. SURELY you cant say thats safe.
 
Di=2 Hydro= H Mono=1 Oxide=O
so H2O1, the 1 is not written so H2O - you said what he said.

Yawn. :\

Anyway legality of plants is a difficult subject. I think generally they should all be legal but I would never consider kids running around eating Datura safe. But you can't prevent it from growing on the side of the road.
Cultivation of ethnobotanics should also be legal if you ask me, but I would - again - never say that they are all safe.
 
All plants should be legal. Plants arent made illegal because of safety concerns, they are made illegal because of their psychoactivity. Their banishment stem from laws rooted in the christian suppression of pagan spiritual belief systems.

The most dangerous plants/fungus are 100% legal, aconite, digitalis, oleander, poison hemlock, amanita phalloides, galerina marginata, etc. They'll kill ya, but they are legal.
 
alright what the fuck about opium then. SURELY you cant say thats safe.

did you read my posts? I didn't say just because it's a plant it's safe... I SAID plants CAN be safer because their long history of human usage shows their danger/safeness.
 
Alot of pointless inaccurate preaching going on here. BUT AT THE SAME TIME SIMOTANEOUSLY SOME GOOD ARGUEMENTS.


FOR PRCREATION OF THE SEPCIES AND NATURAL SOURCES OF THESE CHEMICALS THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO IS FOR EACH PLANT EACH ONE OF US USES TO PLANT 4 OR 5 EACH CAUSE ONLY 5-15% OF PEOPLE WILL BOTHER TO DO SO THAT WAY WE WONT UNFAIRLY CAUSE AN EXTINCTION FOR OUR OWN ENLIGHTENMENT" OR ENTERTAINMENT OR EPXERIENCE OR WHATEVER ONE SEEKS. THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO GAIN BUT PLACEBO AND MAYBE GRADIFICATION FROM PROTECTING THE FUTURE OF THESE SUBSTANCES AND THEIR NBATURAL FORMS BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE SAKE OF THE PALNET ANF THE BALANCE OF ITS ECO SYSTEMS NOT TO BE RUNNING AMUCK DESTROYING ALL OUR RESOURCES OF THIS SOURCE HOW HUMANS HAVE BEEN DESTROYING OUR RESOURCES LIKE DESCRIBED IN THE MATRIX HOW WE ARE A VIRUS.
ANYWAYS THIS IS ALL MY OPINION AS ANYONES POST IS THEIR OPINION WHETHER BACKED UP WITH "FACTS" OR NOT CAUSE ALMOST AN YTHING CAN BE TWISTED AROUND TOP LOOK LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.

LEGALITY: Also believe ALL plants should be legal.
-most of our laws are represion by the few who think they are morally better then the rest and push their ideals upon others ( mainly judeo christian , as well as majority muslim behavior. The only thing you should not be allowed to possess is stolen property. I beleive ANY DRUG AND ANY WEAPON AND ANY AMOUNT OF ANY TYPE OF CURRENCY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE HAD BY ANYONE AT ANY TIME. Plus we should be able to say anything ( voice any opinion) to anyone in anyway. We should be able to educate ourselves on any subject to any degree our brains can handle and that our pateience and intellegence allows for...ad thus use that information towards whatever purpose we choose. this should include making, growing extracting buying and or consuming any substance we choose whether it is a "persciption" drug, meth, heroin, or alcohol (and wioth an unbiased educated decsion can decide realisitically if we found the behavior owrth the risk instead of some moralist making htese decisions. beyond drugs there are MANY other factors from sex which anyone (even homos which i dont a gree with but know that others may so i will respect their right to be gay and do what i consider gross but theyshould repect my right to call them "fags' or "homos" at worst case but realistic for me to quietly disapprove and to take it to the next step it is their right to hate me or react however they want to my actions and so forth forever) should be able to choose what level of commitment to others from prostitution to marraige. Also suicide should be legal cause its your lie to end and you should have that power after thinking it thoroughly through and if you cant assisted suicide is there for you loved ones to help and euthaniasia is there for those that requested especailly in writing that they would rather be DEAD ( and truely mean it ) then stuck in a certain situation like a coma.
mOST LAWS BANNING UNNECESARY OR UNJUSTIFIED VIOLENCE, STEALING, RAPE, RIPPING PEOPLE OFF (STEALING) AND SUCH SIMPLE THINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY LAWS NECESARY WHAT SO EVER ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME



TRIP HISTORY AND NO BEINGS: Have never tired DMT, but done the "similiar" 5 meodmt over fifty times about twenty smoked and thrity sniffed. HAVE DONE ALOT OF DIFFERENT ONES THOUGH 5meo dipt, amt, 2CE, 2CB, 2CT7, 2CT21, DOC, MDA, MDMA, MDE, LSD, ALD-52 (SUPPOSABLY AND WAS SOME ANALOG OF LSD), methylone, salvia, pscilocybin (4 ho dmt0 in shrooms and out of shrooms, psilocyn in shrooms and some chemist guy had just the psilocyn alone without the psilocybin. Plus there are a bunch i supooably tired once and not 100% sure they were what i was told from one didn know if dipt or dpt cause arguement amoung source and his source, 5meoamt, 5meomipt (moxy), DOB, 2ct2, 2cd or 2cp i forget and was drunk, and a bunch more that not even any idea but where sold as acd and and least 7 different substances not listed that i am not sure of most of which were phenethylamines and two were tryptamines. ANYways in my many hundreds of trips every "being I have ecnountered either existed in the physical plane with me at the same time in the real world and those that were not where nothing more then maifistations of my self and or thoughts or abnstractions of nueron firings in my overly serotonin active brain. NONE have been any kind of diety reaching out from anywhere just parts of myself reaaching out from within.
SO I AM SAYING THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING MORE BEYOND THIS LIFE BEYOND DEATH BUT IF THERE IS, IT IS SO DIFFERENT THAT WE CANT EVEN FATHOM ITS NATURE LET ALONE KNOW ITS BEINGS OR PERCEIVE THE STRUCTURE OF THIS REALITY BEYOIND THE LKIMTATONS OF NOT ONLY THE HUMAN MIND BUT BEYOIND ALL THE RULES OF EXISTANCE AS WE KNO0W IT SO ITS NATURE IS BEYOND GOOD AND EVEIL, BEYOND THERE OR GONE, BEYOND AND LESS THEN EVERYTHING AND NOTHING SO WE WASTE OUR TIME WELLING ON IT BEYOND HEALTHY DEBATE BUT INSTEAD WE KILL EACH OTHER OVER WHOSE CHILDISH SIMPLIFICATION OF THE TRUTH (POSSIBILITIES ARE THE TRUTH) WHAT EVER IT MAY BE CAUSE WE ALL THINK WE ARE RIGHT WHEN IN REALITY NONE OF US COULD BE...

OR MAYBE I AM WRONG AND DMT WILL TEACH ME SOMETHING..


NATURAL VS SYNTHETIC: I believe that the synthetic vs natural arguement is totally fucking ridicolous cause when they say the soul or spirit of a "drug plant" that so called "spirit" is IMPURITIES or other substances or alkoliods that react or something of that nature. There are often many substances not yet detected and itf detected not yet indetfed and if identified not fully understood and EVEN IF mostly understood there are nearly endless combinations of reactions from all of these chemicals. While on the other end of the spectrum......The sythetics (or extracts) are exactly what they are suppose to be usually in the 95% and up but sometimes some may say it feels like it lacks something which usually is those 'spirit" impurities from the plant.

I DO NOT believe that the shit about the DMT entities doing anything let alone "stomping ass" or WHATEVER IGNORANT SHIT is making us drug users look like fools especailly those of us who are educated so called "psychonauts" or even just occasional users of hallocinogens that dont attribute everything to some kind of abstract magical "force" or a god of each action in the universe. Do you check the moon cycles, consult your zodiac, ask the spirit in your weedgee board, read the runes and havve your physic read your hand and folow through with the tarot ALL BEFORE COMMITING TO FACE NORTH AND MEDITATE UPON THE GODS OF EVERY RELIGION TO MAKE SURE THE STARS IN THIS REALM AND THE BEYOND HAVE ALIGNED ALLOWING FOR A PASSAGE INTO TRIPPING ON WHAT EVER SUBSTANCE AT WHAT EVER LEVEL THE UNIVERSE AND BEYOND TELLS YOU? SERIOUSLY!!! COME ON! WE ARE NOT LIVING IN 2500 BC. SCIECNE CANT EXPLAIN EVERYTHING BUT IT RAINS CAUSE OF MOISTURE IN THE SKY NOT SOME GOD CRYING. DMT EXISTS IN SIDE OF OUR BRAINS NOT IN SOME DISTANT GALAXY THAT WE HAVE TO COMMIT MASS SUICIDE BEHIND THE HAL BOP COMET TO COP ON EUROPA.
FUCKING CRAZINESS. SORRY TO FLAME ON THOSE BELIEFS OF MANY BUT I AM SPIRITUALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY AGNOSTIC ON ANY AND ALL FRONTS!!! VERY SCEPTICAL.

JUST FEEL THAT ALOT OF US WHO TRIP TRY TO ADD SOEMTHING TO THE EXPERIENCE THAT ISNT HERE TO HELP CONVIENCE THEMSELVES OF SOME FCITIONAL AFTER LIFE TO BRING FALSE HOPE AND MEANING TO THIS OFTEN DRUDGE OF A WORLD WE LIVE IN. I SAY MAKE THE BEST OF THIS EXPEREINCE INSTEAD OF OBSESSING OVER THE NEXT ON WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST.

AT THE SAME TIME....VERY IMPORTANTLY!!!!!! I DO NOT THINK I KNOW EVERYTHING NOR DOES THE HUMAN RACE. THERE IS MUCH ANY ENDKESS LAYERS THAT WE DONT UNDERSTAND. I BELEIVE IN A SUPER IMPOSED INFINITE WORLD THEORY TOT HE PWOER OF ITS SELF INFINITY TIO THE INFINITY POWER ON THE LEVEL OF ONE OF THOSE BEING THE FACT THAT THERE ARE AN INFITE NUMBER OF WAYS FOR INIFINITY TO BE REALIZED WITH INFITE NUMBER OF POSSIBLITIES ALL BEING REAL. NOT AONLY IS EVERY THING REAL AS EVERYTHING ELSE SOMEWHERE AND REALIZED SOME HOW. BUT IF TAKEN ALL THE WAY ALL THINGS ARE REALZED IN EVERY PLACE AT ALL TIMES IN EVERYWAY. AND THEN TO HANDLE IT WE HAVE THAT FILTER THAT IS OFTEN REFER3ED TO BY HUXLEY. SUPRISING LY I BELEIVED THIS WAY BEFORE HEARING OF HIM OR DOING DRUGS BUT THEN KEPT ADDING MY KNOWDLEGE THROUGH DRUGS OPENING MY MIND. OKUS READING AND EVEN WATCHING ALOT LOT OF SCEINCE COMBINING THE UP TO DATE THEORIES WITH MY PHILOSOPHY AND COME TO MY CONCLUSION:..........
POSSIBILITES
YES I BEIEIVE IN POSSIBILITES AND THAT IS THE CLOSEST TO MY RELIGION
 
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There are no averages if you don't mention what you're measuring.
If you're looking at people's measures and norms of safety, don't bother because the "average" person is not informed!

(And Dude man stop it with the caps please.)
 
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Let's keep it simple....

My main point is that all naturally occurring plants should be legal.

I don't think I see anyone arguing against that and that certainly is NOT your main point in this thread. Your main point is that people shouldn't take synthetics over natural drugs because they haven't been used by humans as long.

The title is "On the Extraction of Synthetic Drugs" so obviously the above is not your main point in this thread.
 
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