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Folley said:
That reaction signifies to me a mix of unknown chemicals, not methylone. It seems as if there is more than one chemical in there to me.
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I think I'll take your advice and get rid of it. I know he's not going to give me my money back so ill trash it. The only concerning result to me was the Yellow Simon test. Its the dot at 3pm in my pic. The Marquis test tested as methylone, the Meke (red) tested as Methylone but the Yellow simon, according to my little cheat sheet provided by dance safe should never be anything but colorless and it turned a peach color. Who knows what that means. So ill cut my losses and ditch it. Thanks for all the info guys. Ill keep you posted if I run into some real shit. Thanks again!
 
Folley said:
DO NOT TAKE THAT.


Are you shitting me? You get those awful results and you just want to take 3 times as much? Some people just aren't polite enough to be modding a forum I guess. Hell, no wonder all your friends are getting sold that shit. They know it's not MDMA and want to gobble it up anyway. "It gets me high, right?!?!"


Sad.
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Folley said:
The mecke reaction usually does not look that way with pure methylone.
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Eh, it actually looks kind of like a methylone reaction to me.

However, it is true that without a GC/MS you cannot tell what other things were put into it. This is true of everything, actually (MDMA will typically overwhelm many adulterants) but if your dealer is so willing to misrepresent product (probably unknowingly, knowing dealers - heh), it makes things a lot riskier.
 
Folleys superior knowledge and arrogance and much needed HR gone mad advice is not to be mocked.

Seriously Folley you are way OTT.
 
Well, not necessarily. For a start, the Simon's for methylone should be blue. I'm not sure if the test was followed correctly though, it should be add drops of the yellow bottle and *then* add drops of the green bottle.

Also, testing only confirms you *might* have got the correct product. Key word is *might*. It does not give you the full answer, and there are definitely some chemicals that you can hide from reagents. It's my opinion that a dealer that sells misrepresented product is more likely to get cut product / shit product / etc. So even if something looks correctly like methylone, if a dealer missold the product, to me that's a red flag.
 
rickolasnice said:
Folleys superior knowledge and arrogance and much needed HR gone mad advice is not to be mocked.

Seriously Folley you are way OTT.
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If he is then provide real proof to the contrary. How is he being "OTT" by advising somebody not to take an unknown drug? Can you positively id that substance beyond any doubt? He is a mod here, which means he probably should be a little more cautious then the run of the mill user
 
True, other members do not have to match his tone with a condescending one either. Especially when no other qualitative data is offered. Editting someone elses post to say what you think is not very productive IMO
 
How could I offer qualitative (or quantatative) data to support the assertion that politeness is a prerequisite for forum moderation when it's an intangible intuition? I must admit, I completely fail to understand your repeated insistence for concrete proof when I've made no claims that could be empirically supported. I apologise if you object to my use of the old "fixed" schtick, I thought it was quite an amusing way to make my point (see, what I was doing was employing the very thing to which I was objecting in a criticism of itself).
 
rollonsafely said:
If he is then provide real proof to the contrary. How is he being "OTT" by advising somebody not to take an unknown drug? Can you positively id that substance beyond any doubt? He is a mod here, which means he probably should be a little more cautious then the run of the mill user
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The guy has a test kit, he used it, he has used his knowledge and the kits instructions to determine what drug he has.. He has decided on taking it..

Just because a kit shows positive for MDMA doesn't mean there isn't a whole bunch of other crap mixed in with it.. If OP showed a positive for MDMA reaction everyone would be all "Yeah good to go".. And now Folley is insulting this guys intelligence for his decision to take a drug (which is thought of as being less harmful than MDMA) AFTER using a test kit.. It's fckin dumb.
 
electrodevo said:
Eh, it actually looks kind of like a methylone reaction to me.
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It looks like any random cathinone reaction. Just because methylone is similar doesn't mean it's the only thing it can be.



rickolasnice said:
Folleys superior knowledge and arrogance and much needed HR gone mad advice is not to be mocked.

Seriously Folley you are way OTT.
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Go cry more. At least the OP has enough sense to listen to those that want to help him. Encouraging people to take unknown chemicals is not good Harm Reduction, if I have to be a dick to drive that point home then so be it.




Not to mention, as I have said twice now, that reaction is not entirely consistent with methylone. No, it looks as if there is another chemical from the mecke reaction. Methylone turns to a rusty brown, but I've found it's usually MDPV or other similar chemicals that turn it to such a dark, blood red. At any rate, it is fake ecstasy and should not be consumed.
 
rickolasnice said:
The guy has a test kit, he used it, he has used his knowledge and the kits instructions to determine what drug he has.. He has decided on taking it..

Just because a kit shows positive for MDMA doesn't mean there isn't a whole bunch of other crap mixed in with it.. If OP showed a positive for MDMA reaction everyone would be all "Yeah good to go".. And now Folley is insulting this guys intelligence for his decision to take a drug (which is thought of as being less harmful than MDMA) AFTER using a test kit.. It's fckin dumb.
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electrodevo said:
Also, testing only confirms you *might* have got the correct product. Key word is *might*. It does not give you the full answer, and there are definitely some chemicals that you can hide from reagents. It's my opinion that a dealer that sells misrepresented product is more likely to get cut product / shit product / etc. So even if something looks correctly like methylone, if a dealer missold the product, to me that's a red flag.
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I think electrodevo already explained why the OP should not take it. To put this another way, if your dealer doesn't even know what he is giving you, why would you expect the substitute product is safe for consumption.
 
I hope everyone here is gettin their product tested using GC/MS? .. It's the only way to be sure.
 
rollonsafely said:
I think electrodevo already explained why the OP should not take it. To put this another way, if your dealer doesn't even know what he is giving you, why would you expect the substitute product is safe for consumption.
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Because the product you all seem to swear by (Don't mean to downplay importance of tester kits) is indicating that it is another, known, tried and tested drug that is one of the most common products to be sold as MDMA.

99% of dealers don't know what they are truly selling..
 
^ You are mistaken in thinking that a yellow Marquis = methylone. That is the most common cut, but MDPV will react nearly the same. Ethylone, pentylone and all sorts of other cathinones will react similarly as well. When a reagent indicates MDMA, there are not many other chemicals that can mimic that reaction, so you can usually assume it is MDMA.



In reality though, with even a positive Simons reaction it could be MDMA or MDE and if you don't have that it could be MDA or 6-APB. Reagents are not entirely definitive, they should be used to confirm your suspicions.


rickolasnice said:
I hope everyone here is gettin their product tested using GC/MS? .. It's the only way to be sure.
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No, but I don't buy from sketchy dealers who lie about their product.
 
Doesn't it just mean MDMA is present?

Ecstasy pills containing MDMA have been shown to contain MDMA + more in many a case..

And why not give him that information about MDPV and other cathinones rather than telling him to not take it and insult him?

rollonsafely said:
which is why i only deal with one
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Odds are your still dealing with someone who isn't 100% sure on what they are selling :p ..
 
rickolasnice said:
Doesn't it just mean MDMA is present?

Ecstasy pills containing MDMA have been shown to contain MDMA + more in many a case..

And why not give him that information about MDPV and other cathinones rather than telling him to not take it and insult him?
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Folley said:
The mecke reaction usually does not look that way with pure methylone. That reaction signifies to me a mix of unknown chemicals, not methylone. It seems as if there is more than one chemical in there to me.


At any rate you should take it back to your dealer and get your money back. If you settle for unknown substances you'll never get the real stuff.
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lol thats what he did man

rickolasnice said:
Odds are your still dealing with someone who isn't 100% sure on what they are selling :p ..
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you are correct thats why i still do not completely trust him and look out for myself. Given that his product has literally not changed in 6 months (still have a sample from the first time i picked up) i can be a little more confident with my supply.
 
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