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[muvolution]

Im sure its said in this thread thousands of times, but I dont have the time right now to look through the whole thread. What is the Opana mg equivelence to oxycontin? Thanks

Oral is 2:1
Intranasal is like 5:1
IV/ IM/ SC is about 10:1

Don't know about rectal, but I think I remember it being somewhere around 3:1

Oxycodone has a fairly constant BA which is high orally to begin with. Opana has a low oral BA, hence the amount of drug that comes in a pill (one Opana can be equal to an entire case of Numorphan ampules) so by using it intranasal (probably the best chance for low harm but a good high - as long as you stick to IR's) you are making the BA jump from 10% to 40-50%, whereas oxycodone doesn't have such a jump in BA regardless of the ROA because of it's already high Oral efficacy.
See my last post above yours on the dangers of snorting the ER's.

 

[kanyeknievel]

Oral is 2:1
Intranasal is like 5:1
IV/ IM/ SC is about 10:1

Don't know about rectal, but I think I remember it being somewhere around 3:1

Oxycodone has a fairly constant BA which is high orally to begin with. Opana has a low oral BA, hence the amount of drug that comes in a pill (one Opana can be equal to an entire case of Numorphan ampules) so by using it intranasal (probably the best chance for low harm but a good high - as long as you stick to IR's) you are making the BA jump from 10% to 40-50%, whereas oxycodone doesn't have such a jump in BA regardless of the ROA because of it's already high Oral efficacy.
See my last post above yours on the dangers of snorting the ER's.

Hmmm okay, thank you. I've been experimenting with Rectal Administration recently and have been liking it, and hope I've been doing it correctly. Don't see how you can get that wrong, u stick something up ur ass and squeeze out the water/drug haha. but my sringe is only 1mL. is that too little amount of water? I dont see how it would matter as long as all the drug is dissolved right?

But I would think the RA would be more effective than nasally. BUt i guess not? What happens if I get an ER instead of IR pill though?

 

[muvolution]

Well the ER pills gel in water. They CAN be insufflated (they can't be injected in any manner since they gel in water.) I would imagine that you couldn't push the gel through a 1mL syringe, so that could make admin. difficult. Just go to a pharmacy and get a 3 or 5 mL Oral Syringe, shouldn't have any problems getting that as it's mostly just a dental hygiene tool.

If you only use them occasionally, you should be fine snorting crushed up ER's (take the coating off first with a razor. Just see my above post about silicosis regarding what can happen with repeated heavy use.

 

[wvdude]

opana er

I've been doing Opana ER for several months. 20mg tablets 3xday.
My pain doc recently switched my dose to 30m tablets 2xday.
Is it just me or do the 30mg tabs seem equal or less potent than the 20mg tabs. I don't think tolerance is the issue since you can notice that happening gradually. I noticed the difference right off the bat when I first got the 30's.
Thanks

 

[Jabberwocky]

Prices? When I said "the worst cute, but no prices I ever spent", I was talking about these shitty ass shoes I bought! They're so uncomfortable!

I do apologize for the multiple posts, but I have to ask - are they really that annoying?

The reason I multiposted is because I'm posting from an iPhone, and I can't copy-paste things really, and many aspects of the forum interface simply wont work half the time, such as the edit function or the search engine. They just cause my browser to freeze up when I click on them the majority of the time

Jesus Christ, this forum would run smoother if there just WEREN'T any moderators.

"let's pile all the related threads into one big ass megathread with 5000 fucking posts in it!" yeah because THAT'S more organized, and makes it easier to find what you're looking for.... In this very thread even, there are people complaining that they can't find the post they're looking for because they don't remember what page it's on.

1 - yes it is annoying having to read multiple posts from the same poster, almost as annoying as people who don't bother to use the search function or their own research before posting *cough*.

how hard is it to edit your original post and place it in there?

2 - it would be the end of this place if there weren't moderator to help weed and filter out all the shit you guys don't see and don't have to deal with.

having troubles navigating and finding something within a thread? here's an easy solution and in a few simple steps you'll be proficient in searching mega threads.

at the top of page, when in a thread, there's the option to search within a thread. click the drop down menu hit the advanced search.

option a - search for keywords
option b - search for a specific poster

you can even mix and match; search for a specific phrase by a member to help you find a post you remember reading.


jesus christ, this place would be soooooo much better if people followed, what i call, simple instructions and rules.

gosh.

 

[opanaramic]

can someone please leave directions for iv'ing the pink opana tens, pm or post.

 

[oldkaw]

I.V.'ing U.S. pills is crazy. Know you guys don't want to hear it, but blame the mom and pop meth cooks. They do not have to list everything in pills and these days its just not safe. You can't filter w/h microns or however else you think your being safe. You dissolve salt in water you can't filter the sodium separate from the chloride either so think about it, maybe crush it, wet in a spoon and come back in an hour and look ...

 

[JessicaM]

Hello everyone, longtime lurker here. I have a chance today to get Opana ER 40's and was wondering if anyone here has tried this stuff out yet. Can you rail this stuff out or can you only bang it or what.

You can't IV it, but you can rail it...I hated the stuff though, gave me horrible, vivid nightmares that would paralyze me in my sleep.

 

[scottd420]

For those interested, opana intake absorption orally is only 10%, when ingesting a fatty meal prior to use it's improved to 50% but much still doesn't get filtered purely into the bloodstream due to having to go thru the intestines and liver breakdown. **For experienced, high-tolerance users only** If you want the best experience eat a high fat/protein food 45 to an hour before snorting it. if you snort it remember you want it to be absorbed thru the mucus membranes so those of you who hauk it down your throat your wasting it, so snort somewhat slowly to avoid this. i suggest splittin the line evenly between both nostrils assuming they're both clear since the left leads to the bloodstream, the right tend to settle more in the uppersinus cavity closer to the brain. From here is my method, i have a Very High tolerance to all opiates, benzos & alcohol....that being said i follow with a 2mg clonopin as an added relaxant and it's a very acute dose so it doesn't take away from the better euphoria of opana & three shots of vodka over a span of 30 mins, adding a potentiation of about 170%. Again, i do not suggest this to anyone who couldn't comfortable snort 2-3 40mg opana in a sitting. The only other way to have the onset and absorption more prevelent would be IV, which despite the claims on here TimeRx is indeed breakable given you have time & experience in breaking abuse proof coatings of other pills. I think i've added enough information for the spectrum of users across this thread, plz take into account your own tolerance & experience with everything encapsulated in this post. I have no intent of harming anyone, this is in fact a website about staying ALIVE. I hope this is only beneficial to all & not detrimental. This was my first post here tho i've been a long time reader. Enjoy!be safe, be smart!

So, I just want to straighten this out for myself. When you say it boosts availability to 170% do you mean from the regular nasal dose, because that's damn near 100% absorbtion, such as IV. Obviously we all know we can't take anymore than 100% of the drug ingested. I am just curious, I'm new to this drug, I'm a hydromorphone guy; but would love to see how this works for pain.

 

[muvolution]

170% of a value is the original value plus 70% of the original value.

ie. 10.
170% of 10 is 10 x 1.7 = 17.

 

[Alice_D]

you can shoot up the pink instant release 10mg pills very easily. You just crush them, mix them in a spoon with 100 units(1mL) of water. Then stir it up.
Filter it with a micronfilter or if not a qtip, which IV'ing pills in not that safe without a proper filter.
Then suck it up into your rig, find vein, and fall in love haha

 

[muvolution]

the IR's are as easy as dilaudids to work up. the solution will be pink though.

 

[MindFruit]

I just barely went through some pink 10mg opana IRs. The pinker the solution is, the better the shot will be. Just be careful with this stuff.

 

[chazz69amanda]

How did the character of the high compare to oxycontin and/or heroin if you have the experience?

they gel up so? how is everyone doing opanas iv ?

 

[muvolution]

gotta get the IR's, not the ER.
better than any other RX opiate. H or Morphine are different, but just as good. Opana really is great, though.

 

[oldkaw]

I know I'm raining on your parade here, and you've done it plenty of times and can still see, don't need a kidney transplant yet, etc. so I won't go into the physics or US policy again. But ask yourself, if you guys dissolved some table salt in a spoon, do you think you could separate the sodium from the chloride with a micron filter? Just because its not jelled in the spoon does not mean there is not agglutination in the bloodstream. Go buy a bag of good dope if you've got to do a shot. Your eyes, kidneys, lungs, etc will thank you over time.

 

[muvolution]

I don't shoot em and I would say that based on the "Inactive Ingredients megathread", an Opana IR is perfectly safe to shoot when using a micron filter based on the particulate size and lack of solubility of all but 1 ingredient which is filtered out @.4o microns as long as it isn't heated.
I would say that's much safer than lots of street dope. From an HR standpoint though, I agree, you never know what's not getting filtered out.

 

[baschoen]

Saw something about the debate between OC's and Opana ERs.... For some reason Opana ER has a few negative side effects that I don't get from OC. 1. Oxy doesnt gel up like these opanas (The old oxy didnt at least) 2. The high is more Euphoric and stimulating with Oxy 3. Opana usage for a number of days in a row causes some weird things to happen to my body (Extremely black stool). 4. Oxy tastes better imo (This is assuming an ROA of snorting)

 

[gatman]

I was getting 60 opana er 20mil a mounth an and 90ir 5mil If you get the ones that have 8 sides and snort them you may wont to read up on them.Thay arnt good to snort thay have some shit in them that will give you lung cancer. Ow ya and thay do gel up but one good sniff and down goes a big bugger.If you have the round blue 5mil or round red 10mil you can snort and or shoot them its only the 8 sided ones that are bad read up on them. and be carefull I had to walk away from my scrips and get on methadon I got that bad. you will love them

 

[Pepito]

they gel up so? how is everyone doing opanas iv ?

I saw this in one of the archives. I also read that using 91% iso works too.
Seems like after reading a couple of posts, people are suggesting basically the following:
1) scrape off coating & crush up (don't use water it will gel)
2) add alcohol
3) filter out sediment through cotton or filter
4) let alcohol evaporate
5) you will end up with a whitish substance being the leftover medication, add a measured amount of water and filter into syringe

Anyway, here's the copy paste from the other post I found, don't know if anyone tried it, but the guy seems to know a bit about chemistry, so he seems pretty knowledgeable.:

"Opana Extended Release contains these chemicals—
See (http://www.endo.com/pdf/Opana_ER_PI.pdf)

Lets talk some really basic chemistry—solubility.

Here’s where the problem happens— (remember, this is all room temperature)

Oxymorphone – freely soluble in water, slightly/partially soluble in ETOH.
TIMERx® -N: (The hard one RIGHT?)
Locust Gum: freely soluble in water (gels up), INSOLUBLE in ETOH
Xanthan Gum: freely soluble in water (gels up), INSOLUBLE in ETOH

You mix opana with water first, you get a spoon full of cum.

Here’s where we can build a plan of action:

Here are some other things that are insoluble in ETOH:
TIMERx® -N: (The hard one RIGHT?)
Locust Gum: freely soluble in water (gels up), INSOLUBLE in ETOH
Xanthan Gum: freely soluble in water (gels up), INSOLUBLE in ETOH
hypromellose: insoluble in dehydrated ethanol
The 5 mg, 10 mg, 15 mg, 20 mg, and 30 mg tablets also contain
Macrogol: freely soluble in water, practically insoluble in ETOH
Oxymorphone – freely soluble in water, slightly/partially soluble in ETOH.
Other TIMERx ingredients:
Dextrose: doesn’t matter because its harmless
Polysorbate: freely soluble in water and ETOH, but harmless (used in eye drops)
methylparaben: soluble in ethanol and H2O, but is a preservative and, IMHO, harmless
sodium stearyl fumarate: Practically insoluble in water, slightly soluble in Ethanol.
Insoluble\poorly soluble in Water:
titanium dioxide: insoluble in water
Calcium Carbonate [chalk, TUMS] poorly soluble in water (47mg/liter) and harmless also.
triacetin: soluble in ETOH, slightly soluble in water, insoluble in benzene

SO—since oxymorhpone is partially soluble in ethanol (about .25-.5 grams per liter) you are going to need a nice amount of pure ethanol here. Four a 40mg pill—I would go use at least 50 milliliters since it evaporates so quickly. Crush up very finely the pill. Mix this in with at least everclear (preferably >99% ETOH). Let sit for a while. Sediment at the bottom will include TIMERx and hypromellose. Filter the sediment out.

Now have ETOH containing your oxymorphone, very little macrogel, dextrose, polysorbate, sodium steryl fumerate, methylparaben, titanium dioxide, calcium carbonate, and tums.

Now find a flat easily scrapable glass or pyrex dish. Let the alcohol evaporate.

Afterwards mix the left over powder in the plate with cold/lukewarm water.
Sodium steryl fumerate isn’t soluble in water—neither is titanium dioxide, for the most part calcium carbonate and triacetin. Oxymorphone is freely soluble, along with dextrose, polysorbate, the residual macrgel, methylparaben. a little bit of triacetin.

So What does this mean?

After you filter off the sediment that isn’t soluble in the water, you have a aqueous solution of oxymorphone, and a few other harmless substances (preservatives).

(If you want to go all crazy, Triacetin is insoluble in Benzene, but I think that’s going overboard. Just be careful with dosing—also, use ETOH, and not rubbing alcohol. It you get to fiending out, injecting etoh (while it burns) will not harm you like isopropyl alcohol will… just a thought.)


Again---I talked with my friend and wrote this in two hours. I have high hopes and would try it myself if I have one on hand. Should anyone find this works, please let me know. I have high faith in the process. It is after all just a matter of patience and science.

so to summarize:
1. scrape of coating with sandpaper preferably
2. crush pill and mix in glass with 50-100ml of >95% ETOH (5-10 min)
3.Let sediment settle then filter out ETOH
4. Let ETOH Evaporate.
5. Add water to solution.
6. let sediment settle, then filter off H20.
7. MEASURE DOSAGE.
8. Enjoy Responsibly.


Be well- be safe.

pragma."

Hope that helps. Be safe.