Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

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chinky i agree with pallid--after you are on for a bit, they will go a long time. I even have forgotten to take em for a couple of days cause i feel good...they definitely have a long half life (that's not news to anyone here). Glad to hear it is going okay...subs always worked very well for me, my only big complaint about WD on subs is....sleep! shitty sleep for several days. Any tips on sleeping? I have not tried sleeping pills....

Good luck Chinky...at least you are knocking your tolerance down..
 
diphenhydramine i take around 100mg to make me ass out & its over the counter.... i buy mine in the dollar store : ) sure helps the sleeping problems/sinus problems
 
Well, it is true that abstinence will bring your tolerance down, but it takes quite a bit of abstinence. I didn't notice my opiate tolerance drop until I had been clean for a few months off dope, and actually managed to catch a buzz off 50 mg hydrocodone. From the couple times I've quit for a prolonged period, it seems to take about 6 months at least for your tolerance to get anywhere near baseline, and even then, it never quite gets back to where it was as an opiate virgin.

And if you start up a habit again, your tolerance rockets right back up to insane levels within a week or two, at least in my experience.

Yea, I had a similar experience. In 1999 i had a 25 bag a day habit, so money started running low & i had to lower my dosage fast! It totally sucked, but even now that i do lay off for weeks at a time, i still can never get that "virgin" high anymore no matter how much i do! if i do too much now, it will just make me feel like shit & kill any type of buzz i managed to get early on.

@ CHINKY, I just read your post about getting clean, good luck man! And keep us informed, but if coming here gives you urges, just stay away & get it together. Well whatever...best of luck anyway!
 
OPEN AIR DRUG MARKETS in jersey ........

Its funny how New jersey has so many open air markets and so many diff types in each city........You got camden which is just off the hook , newark and paterson i hear arent how they used to be due to cops, asbury park which is really small but has plenty of dope, trenton which i dont know about , jersey city, you got a.c. which doesnt have open air because of cops, you got citites near ac, plesantville , egg harbor city , all dope infested.........it seems like theres 90 cities in this freakin state with dope lol . no wonder they have so many methadone clinics and suboxone docs. And of course go over the bridge to Philly and see the Badlands and that is just as bad/worse than Camden
Its been this way for years, and the cops will never stop all the dealers, they may shut down blocks for a couple days but they dont have the man power to watch 24/7 and i dont think they care half the time. Of course the ones you really gotta worry about are DEA or undercovers..............the ones that dont say "police" on their cars, they drive aruond any old car and you have no clue , that is whats scary abuot the hood, not the dealers or other crackheads the 5-0
 
Well its sunday night and the bears lost..ii gotta admit I still haven't had to redose after my initial 6mg..-ts weird its like I only needed the 6mg cause I really haven't had any wds at all not even a psychological effect but maybe that bc I know I'm in indiana with now was of coppin..

tonite though i saw some pill bottles here at my uncles and one of them was prescribed for the dog..I initially put it back but a weird sixth sense was like check it again and wheb I did it was alprazone (how ever you spell it) but I knew it was xanax so I grabbed 6mg and popped 3 and feel pretty good cause I'm on my 6th beer and just finished a blunt..its been good gettin outta the city..

my uncle though is a bad influence almost lol he's buying a gram of coke tomorrow for us but we have gone threw like 3 or 4 cases of beer like 2fiths of whisky like a quarter of weed not to mention he has a few plants and is about to pull them up so I snipped a branch off and got it dryin..did a little quick dry method I found and smoked a lil its alrite, gotta bud for the morning it see how the high really is..the rest of the plant is gonna get dryed and cured the right way but I just wanted to try a little now and found a method that seems to work




So how was yall weekend?



*I'm on my phone so if this double posts mods please erase*
 
^Ha its amazing how many more types of drugs people seem to do when they're first getting off dope. When I'm using, I just don't feel the urge to do anything aside from h and drink. But whenever I try to quit, I'll be taking in benzos, coke, rolls, pretty much anything to take my mind off dope. At least you haven't had to redose on those subs; who knows, maybe the worst of it is over at this point?
 
I just wanted to stop by and say thanks to everyone, the support means a lot...it really does
But I just wanted to let everyone know how the first few days are goin..I decided to move out to my uncles for a week or 2 in indiana, just to get out of chicago and out of my house..actually ignored my dudes phone call..I took about 6mg of sub on weds and haven't had to redose since..haven't thought too heavly about dope so I guess its goin well..been smokin weed and drinkin beers so I'm sure that helps but who knows really..

Anyone familier with subs..is it normal not to have to redose for a few days after your initial dose?




What's good fam..I was gonna try slammin those last bags but I decided against it..I mean almost 2 years of doin dope and haven't touched it yet, fuck it...glad the caps where good though

Again I appreciate everyone support

Use as LITTLE Sub as possible, and try not to use more than once per day or I can say, with ABSOLUTE certainty, they will effect you in terrible ways. This is one med one should not abuse, as the depression/dullness they cause once you start down that path takes A LONG time(at least three months, imo) to get over. If you're mentally stable, weed is OK, but it can cause some weird reactions with Sub, from my experience...as in weird crying/spells of depression. Use it wisely, once every other day is perfectly fine due to its half life. Hell, I can go 4 days without feeling any WD at all if I take one 8mg sub on day 1..
 
Well its sunday night and the bears lost..ii gotta admit I still haven't had to redose after my initial 6mg..-ts weird its like I only needed the 6mg cause I really haven't had any wds at all not even a psychological effect but maybe that bc I know I'm in indiana with now was of coppin..

tonite though i saw some pill bottles here at my uncles and one of them was prescribed for the dog..I initially put it back but a weird sixth sense was like check it again and wheb I did it was alprazone (how ever you spell it) but I knew it was xanax so I grabbed 6mg and popped 3 and feel pretty good cause I'm on my 6th beer and just finished a blunt..its been good gettin outta the city..

my uncle though is a bad influence almost lol he's buying a gram of coke tomorrow for us but we have gone threw like 3 or 4 cases of beer like 2fiths of whisky like a quarter of weed not to mention he has a few plants and is about to pull them up so I snipped a branch off and got it dryin..did a little quick dry method I found and smoked a lil its alrite, gotta bud for the morning it see how the high really is..the rest of the plant is gonna get dryed and cured the right way but I just wanted to try a little now and found a method that seems to work




So how was yall weekend?



*I'm on my phone so if this double posts mods please erase*

Chinky and anyone else looking to quit, I have gone cold turkey many times and here is my best advice for anyone looking to quit.

Do not use Suboxone or Methadone, for one simple reason, they are un-necessary! Unless of course you have to take a drug test, or have some other reason not to have opiates in your system that aren't prescribed.

The best way to quit dope is to slowly taper down until you are at about a line a day... and if you can its even better to keep tapering until you're down to what I like to call a dot. It is very possible to do this, and I have a lot of experience in this area. Go down very slowly if you are a heavy user, it can take a couple months to get down all the way.

The hardest part of this method is developing the willpower to PUT THE DOPE DOWN. What finally worked for me was using one of those week long pill plastic container thingies. I would buy my stuff and set it out for weeks at a time. The ability to actually have the will power to only do what I was supposed to do for that day was the most gratifying and rewarding part of my quest.

When you get yourself down to that dot or couple dots a day then quitting is a piece of cake compared to the heavy withdrawals that any heavy opiate user experiences. For me the worst part of the whole withdrawal experience is the insomnia and restless and painful muscle symptoms. When you taper like this you will actually be able to sleep a few hours at night and the muscle pain is greatly lessened. I would still recommend quite a bit of Ibuprofen and dipenhydramine / Benadryl. The ibuprofen helps with the pain and the benadryl will keep your nose from running and stops the bullet sneezes.

I was able to get almost back to normal after three nights. It was still painful, but if you know what the major sickness is like, this sickness is a walk in the park. On the third or fourth day the diarrhea comes, counteract this nasty little problem with Immodium AD and not eating very much for a few days.

I lost 15 pounds in 5 days the last time I used this method and I was back to feeling totally normal on the 6th day!!! The diarrhea for me and I believe for alot of people the last symptom to appear. So when you start having that, know that you are only a couple days away from being drug free. And remember, it is quite alright to take the Immodium AD to stop these symptoms.

Good luck to you all, and I hope my advice helps you!
 
^The problem is that if you have dope in the hands of a junkie, they're going to tend to get high with it and not taper. Yes, tapering works, but the temptation to do more is difficult to fight, and for some people probably impossible. Quitting cold turkey with or without a taper is certainly the fastest way to quit, but for many people this is simply not feasible; that's where subs and methadone come in.
 
Yeah I tried the taper thing but I always ended up doin it all..its monday and since tuesday was the last time I got high its almost been a week dope free..I haven't been able to say that since march when I went to county..I still haven't had to redose on subs I think 6mg was all I truely needed to get over the WDs..like I said I still crave it hell I want to get high right now but I don't need too..if that makes sense..
 
And mystic I gotta disagree with you when you say not to use subs or methdone...I've never tried 'done and this is my first time tryin the subs and I gotta say it worked wonders

Goin cold turkey leaves you vulnerable to the WDs and yea they might last a few days the sub keeps them away..

I know iver said it 10times but I'm 6 days clean and its been 5 days since I took my first and only dose of suboxone...when I stopped using I was snorting a jab 4-5 days a week and knew going cold turkey would be too much to bear..the key for me or at least what. I did was only take the sub to get rid of the WDs not just the craving to get high, if that was the case I'd eat thje sub everyday but since I only used it to get rid of the sick, just one dose cured that

So I gotta dissagree on the cold turkey thing, subs is the way to go you just have to have will power..don't take them cause you know your supposed to as your DRs order or bc you want to.. take your dose when you absolulty need to
 
Tapering is WAY harder than quitting cold turkey. Quitting cold turkey is painful but i've found its really empowering at the same time. I found that holding my nose and sucking down a sixpack with a benzo every night at least enabled me to get 3 hours of sleep for the first week. Not sleeping well for a month seems par for the course though, especially since our shit is cut with dormin here in the chi. I wonder if taking some dormin would help with wd's because of the cross addiction? Probably would at least help you sleep. Good luck Chinky. Sounds like you're well on your way.
 
you know what it is chinky the first time i ever tried subs it also worked like a wonder drug for me.After going back n forth between subs n dope 4 a while is when the subs stop working so well.The first time i ever took subs i think i also only dosed once and i couldnt believe how good i felt i was like where is this w/d evreyone talks bout lol.So my advice is u better stay clean man or else the subs next time wont work as well.N for the person that said CD is the best,Dont 4get subs is also really good for people that hav relapse problems cuz once u take ur sub in the morning u allready know u cant get high all day even if you wanted to.
 
Tapering is WAY harder than quitting cold turkey. Quitting cold turkey is painful but i've found its really empowering at the same time. I found that holding my nose and sucking down a sixpack with a benzo every night at least enabled me to get 3 hours of sleep for the first week. Not sleeping well for a month seems par for the course though, especially since our shit is cut with dormin here in the chi. I wonder if taking some dormin would help with wd's because of the cross addiction? Probably would at least help you sleep. Good luck Chinky. Sounds like you're well on your way.

The dormin goes hand in hand with falling asleep for many in Chi-Town, as many of the chicago opiophiles get the white dope that is cut with dormin, and as a result, they are also wd'ing from dormin AND opiates. If one were to go cold turkey....making sleep, for at least the first 3/4 days of WD, all but impossible, imo...if you're coming off a 30+ day long heroin/dormin binge. So while I've never tried it(using dormin while in WD), it seems logical that it MAY help you get a little shut-eye during those 72hours of hell, as your body was using the dormin, along with the opiate of choice, to produce the chemicals that bring on sleep. I'm going to give it a go in a few days, and will let y'all know how using dormin during the first 3-4 days of opiate WD effects the lack of sleep BS many of us hate. It is, after the first 12-20 hours of shitting/puking/etc, the only part of WD that bothers me, so this could be a goldmine. Again, this only goes for those in Chicago(and probably a few others who get white dope cut with dormin)...best of luck, and wish me luck as well!
 
The tar in the chi is also cut with dormin most of the time as well. My old dealer, who was actually a white woman in her fifties, would get raw tar(shiny, coal like in appearance) and put like two ounces of it with like 30 dormins in a coffee grinder and turn it into powder. She would then melt the powder back into tar on a frying pan. It was kinda cool to watch actually. A thick pancake of tar on a frying pan. Once it cooled it just looked like regular old tar. Even though it was cut it was still strong as hell. I actually od'd on .2 after taking a break a few years back. Passed out on the street and woke up in an ambulance. Not fun.
 
I've only once heard of tar in the city and no one cane threw with any..

But my uncle is coppin the coke like I said a day or 2 ago..so I won't be doped up but illl be straight geeked
 
I haven't had any WDs since last weds when I took the sub...still only took that initial 6mg its weird..my uncle hooked it up with some xanax and I've been drinkin some beers so I have been sleepin good....he bought a half oz of reggie and I quick dried some of his homegrown so its been a good week and tonite he wants coke so I'm down with it..

Its been 8 days since I last got high and 7 days since I took a sub
 
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