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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

One Thousand Words said:
Then don't give a shit about their laws.

The sky isn't going to fall down because a small fraction of the community have hooked themselves on home delivery benzos, just as thousands of housewives didn't drop dead when mummy's little helper was taken down from over the counter in the 50's
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You do realize what you've written here is rubbish?

Valium didn't come to the UK until 1963.

Today there are still hundreds of thousands of people, maybe upwards of a million, many middle-aged/older housewives who are still addicted to prescription valium.

The sky isn't falling down because GP's are still having to prop it up. The RC benzodiazepine story is a very real problem and people will die due to the effect this legislation will have.

'The story of benzodiazepines has been described as a national scandal. The impact is too big for governments, regulatory authorities and the pharmaceutical industry to address head on, so the scandal has been swept under the carpet'.
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One Thousand Words said:
Ask fools gold and mdb how I unobtrusive their neighbours or work colleagues found their stash of legal highs?
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what? Can you clarify what you mean?

My stash doesnt do anything that annoys my neighbours or workmates directly due to legal highs, if i choose to stay up all night noise is kept to a minimum by using headphones out of consideration for neighbours.

Do you imagine vast stashes of chemical and plant materials, emitting pungent chemical stenches leaching from my house, or constant 5am police raids and general 'rumpus' and 'disturbances' of crashing and banging and TVs being thrown though windows at 3am etc?

you've got me very wrong on this one if that's what you picture. Despite my habits ive held down my current job for 7 months, and am well on the way to regaining the ability to be reliable in attendance and punctuality day in day out, week after week. That has not been easy whilst having some heavy uppers and downers habits going on at the same time. Most people who meet me would never imagine my drug habits, and the extent of them.
 
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Fellowed said:
This has probably been mentioned elsewhere on the thread, but the reason for laws like the one being proposed are not to stop people taking them, it's to criminalise or tax those who do. If the purpose was to stop use, then by now then would have legalised and regulated these substances. This has been shown to be the most effective way of obtaining the solution.

The only reasonable conclusion is that the reason the “Drug Laws” continue is because it creates a great deal of control over the population, especially those who are poor and suffer from addictions and other mental health problems.

All that's going to happen with this ban is a huge increase in use of certain substances now deemed to be research chemicals (mcat use increased after it was banned for example). It will also put previously banned substances in recent years on the same level of accessibility as anything else. 1P is arguing being used more now than AL-LAD, but will that be the same once the ban comes in?
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The police have become far more enlightened especially regarding mental health issues. If they went round criminalising everyone with MH issues and drug habits to self medicate, they would be creating a burden on the state far too big to sustain. Plenty of us are 'functioning drug users' who hold down jobs, pay taxes. If we we're all criminalised it would bankrupt the state in prison expenses, and there would probably be no chance of a convicted drug user ever getting employment again, so we'd be a burden on the state for the rest of our natural, rather than net contributors. I totally disagree that the purpose of all this is to criminalise LH users, it's pandering to mounting tabloid pressure as the reported (most often unproven) death toll mounts up. And a realisation that the banning a few substances every year or so was a completely self defeating policy, that is if it was for health and safety concerns, the newer chemicals are more and more dangerous and untested, as nobody knows anyhting about even their short term effects on health.

The legal high industry is worth millions of pounds, estimated annual turnover is £82 million. VAT of 20% is paid on that, how is criminalising LHs going to increase tax revenue?
 
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SHM is this what you meant?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/tranquillisers/default.stm

The legal high benzo users will add possibly hundreds of thousands more cases to the problem when they become illegal. If they cannot afford to stockpile and taper there will be an acute crisis at emergency wards as people suddenly run out of benzos. Some people will be able and willing to taper off them safely and quit, some wont.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
SHM is this what you meant?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/tranquillisers/default.stm

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It's some confirmation of what I'm on about yes. And don't anyone be fooled that it's from 2001. The quotes and figures I was using are from a lot more recent than that and nothing has changed. Indeed, with the RC Benzo issue, things are now worse. I'm not sure how many they will add to the figures but, for sure, it will bring many people to emergency wards and kill many more who are either unable or unwilling to go any other route. People can bang on on here about benzo users having time to sort themselves out, taper off etc but the world doesn't work like that.

People will die because of this legislation. It will kill far more people than it 'saves'. That's what you are supporting if you think this Bill is a good thing.
 
Completely agree, extremely well put too. Anyone with any kind of LH addictions is going to have to do a lot of serious thinking and planning to get through this in one piece, physically and mentally. I cant even begin to think how im going to tackle this looming problem yet.

My first reaction was to plan on stockpiling, but the more i think about it the more that seems like a bad idea, partly due to the legal risks involved, partly because it will only be postponing the inevitable day when the stockpile runs out, and partly the expense involved. It seems to be a better idea to gradually taper and adjust whilst these things are still legal. That is very easy to say, putting it into action certainly wont be.
 
One thing I need to remind everyone - keep in mind that Valerian can be used to keep away all the symtomps of benzo withdrawal and taper off safely. About 3 grams worth of capsules every 6 hours should do it. You will still feel a bit uncomfortable and be in a bad mood but it's bearable (opposed to acute benzo withdrawal).

No doctor will ever inform you of this, even if they're happy to refuse you a taper.
 
Ive found Valerian Root in its natural unprocessed form simmered into a tea to be of limited use for opi w/ds. If it truly would help benzo w/d to such a great extent that would be almost miraculous. I'd like to believe it, but if it is so, why is this not much more well known:? (I'll be getting some in anyway to try, nothing to loose, everything to gain). Others have suggested a quick pregabalin replacement therapy taper. I have my doubts about the physiological science behind that though as Pregabalin is just one more gabbagenic drug, replacing one drug with another with similar modees of action never seems to work very well for me. But VR is completely non addictive? Right? I'll certainly be reading up on that.

My kratom habit is worrying me just as much if not more than the benzos, as perhaps that has an even greater effect on my mood and functioning than benzos do. I can imagine living without benzos, i cant quite do the same for kratom yet. At least I and everyone else in the same boat have a decent amount of time to quit these things as painlessly as is possible. I am grateful for that much at least. Even so April 1st will soon come round, far too quickly, there is no time to waste. It is time to get serious about this.
 
It works because it's such a good benzo agonist. Valium was first synthesised based on Valerian, only it's 10+ times stronger and can't really be abused. Well, maybe with a strong extract and a low tolerance, I'd say it's better than Oxazepam.

There are also other things that can really help. When I was in Lyrica withdrawals taking a combination of L-Theanine, Magnesium, and Hops seemed to halve the benzo-withdrawal type effect. But there's really no need when enough Valerian will let you wean off safely.

The only reason this isn't common knowledge is for economic concerns, I think, although strange that not more have figured it out. I guess it's mostly to do with that you need to take a lot. I had to take 10-15 200 mg capsules to find a relief, and who will try that? I just knew Valerian worked somehow as I'd been using it as sleeping pills once in a while before I got addicted to benzos.
 
Is that 'strange' in the same sense it's strange most of us haven't figured out about talking to Angels and channeling fairies Ninae?

Sorry if I take anything you say with a huge pinch of salt.
 
So capsules are more effective than the raw natural plant material? This is a very interesting new (for me) bit of information, that could make a big difference, especially towards the end of the taper. I'll still largely be following The Ashton Method, and i would imagine that VR could be most helpful in those first few benzo free weeks which Im dreading already. Thanks for sharing this. <3
 
Strange in the sense that so few know it works and are able to get help from it. Although not even doctors seem to know. Down to the old conflict between natural/allopathic medicine, I guess, but that doesn't mean people should have to suffer needlessly or even die from it.

When it's really unnecessary, shows what kind of society we live in. I should know, as I was in the position of importing benzo analogues for years and ran out all the time (or 25-30 times). So I wasn't really able to miss it when something took away all the symtomps.

You will still feel uncomfortable and be in a shitty mood, you won't feel great, unless maybe you have access to a shitload of good Valeriana (better in tincture).
 
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By the way, glad to hear how the first hearings turned out. Been doing some hard-core praying for that but wasn't sure how it would take. There's also something to be said for what we as a collective want.
 
2nd reading Lords complete

Lords committe stage - 23/6/2015

They're really not fucking around.

If they meet each stage of the legislative process at the current rate (approx. every fortnight) then the bill will be fit for royal assent by the end of September

Could really do with some sort of parliamentry naughtiness to surface. The Telegraph published the expenses scandal 6 years to late.
 
The Lords summery states that they plan to have it in place by next April. When these bills are given royal accent, they are rarely inacted into law immediately - theres normally 3-6 months amnesty given in order for people and businesses to get their practises in place to avoid contravening the new legislation. Look at AH-7921 and the other drugs recently banned. The classification of AH as a Class A drug under theMODA was announced last June, but the ban didnt come into effect untill this January

Saying that the ban may still take immediate effect, as they occasionally do when there is a national emergency. This one could qualify - according to recent statistics NPS's (might as well use the legal lingo now we're all fucked) were responsible for TWELVE entire deaths last year, and nearly 100 (national!) hospital admissions.

Thankgod the government are doing something about this carnage - they're dropping like flies...
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
what? Can you clarify what you mean?

My stash doesnt do anything that annoys my neighbours or workmates directly due to legal highs, if i choose to stay up all night noise is kept to a minimum by using headphones out of consideration for neighbours.

Do you imagine vast stashes of chemical and plant materials, emitting pungent chemical stenches leaching from my house, or constant 5am police raids and general 'rumpus' and 'disturbances' of crashing and banging and TVs being thrown though windows at 3am etc?

you've got me very wrong on this one if that's what you picture. Despite my habits ive held down my current job for 7 months, and am well on the way to regaining the ability to be reliable in attendance and punctuality day in day out, week after week. That has not been easy whilst having some heavy uppers and downers habits going on at the same time. Most people who meet me would never imagine my drug habits, and the extent of them.
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While I'm honestly glad to see you are doing well now, lets not forget you did lose/quit two jobs due to your drug habits as well as getting into a skirmish with a neighbour over their cat while spangled.
 
inflorescence said:
Interesting.

I better dust off my drinking boots sharpish then. Alcohol abuse here we come...In all seriousness I do wonder in years to come what (if any marked) rise their will be in the alcohol related death statistics.
I can see myself drinking more alcohol, I can also see that having a huge impact on many people's mental health. So instead of banging a few RC thienodiazepines now and again I will be reaching/retching for the Vodka-despite knowing it won't help me sleep, will exacerbate any anxiety and will just make feel pitiful and or aggressive...hurrah!



The last published stats are from 2013 and there were 8,416 alcohol-related deaths in the UK.

Sigh.
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I dont know where you got your stats from Flo but on average alcohol kills 40,000 people a year in the uk out of 40,000,000 users. Tobacco kills around 100,000 people per year.

RC's average 12 deaths

Ecstasy (alone, not as a dectable post mortem toxin in a polydrug death) kills about 27

LSD, Cannabis - 0 deaths per year uk

Your better off addicted to benzos or heroin - yes they're very difficult to give up (dangerous even when stopping benzodiazepines) but neither of these drugs are as universally toxic as alcohol. Alcohol has all the same addiction and withdrawal problems as benzodiazepines but it also poisons every cell in your body, most noticeably your liver, your heart and your brain (my mother suffers from Korsakoffs Syndrome - a dementia brought on by alcohol abuse).
 
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