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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

How does one die from drinking? I mean it must take at least 20 odd years of solid binging to destroy a liver. Most people are at more risk of choking to death on their own vomit while drunk than actually alcohol poisoning.

If that was the case why isn't the 3am kebab also included on the list of killer substances?
 
One Thousand Words said:
How does one die from drinking? I mean it must take at least 20 odd years of solid binging to destroy a liver. Most people are at more risk of choking to death on their own vomit while drunk than actually alcohol poisoning.
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Choking is a leading cause of acute alcohol death but on average 1 person a day in the UK dies from simple alcohol poisoning (ethanol overdose).

ask Amy Winehouse - probably the best example we ever had of the dangers of acute alcohol poisoning and the goverment and media completely ignored the opportunity for health promotion and harm reduction.

The misery and deaths caused by the short and long term use of alcohol bores the hell out of tabloid readers so its never going to be newsworthy

4 kids hospitalised by some crappy synth weed tho - stop the press and get that blanket ban sorted!
 
you got to understand 1000words that my next door neighbor is a convicted nonce that's what the problem was so when i got high i would tell the pervert to do the right thing and off his self :)
 
One Thousand Words said:
How does one die from drinking? I mean it must take at least 20 odd years of solid binging to destroy a liver.
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Not necessarily - some people are just unlucky. I've been a heavy daily drinker for over 15 years and regular tests show my liver is in perfect nick - but I've heard of some people getting cirrhosis from as little as a few pints / half a bottle of wine a day.
 
One Thousand Words said:
How does one die from drinking? I mean it must take at least 20 odd years of solid binging to destroy a liver. Most people are at more risk of choking to death on their own vomit while drunk than actually alcohol poisoning.

If that was the case why isn't the 3am kebab also included on the list of killer substances?
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Try like 20 odd months of heavy daily drinking then attempting a non medically supervised detox, that's how drink kills and that's how drink kills fast. I don't live in an inner city and I am totally out of touch with the local scene but I know of at least 10 people seriously dependant on drink and they are all early 20's, many of them have fitted at one point or another.
 
Not to mention the deaths and injuries from alcohol related violence. There have been a number of murders on the streets around me recently, in fact one just this Saturday night. What do they all have in common? A brawl that gets out of hand with people who had "been drinking in such a place all evening". You might not think it a good idea to stab someone while completely sober, even if you're a bit of a violent type, but after an evening's drinking control is lost. So this Saturday a family loses a young man and the taxpayer will be keeping someone behind bars for the next 20 years, never mind all the police and court time.

So where are all the calls to ban alcohol?

Oh yes, prohibition doesn't work! But by all means let's ban plants and pills and push them onto the black market!
 
In the House of Lords yesterday, a number of peers demanded to know why ministers had not asked the ACMD's opinion before drawing up the controversial Psychoactive Substances Bill.

If there is any suggestion that [the ACMD] were deliberately body-swerved in order to get a political outcome... that would leave some of us of a more sceptical disposition more worried than we might need to be
Lord Kirkwood, Lib Dem peer

"It is actually a legal requirement set out in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 that the ACMD must be consulted before alterations to the Act or new legislation is brought in," Labour peer Lord Rea told the House.

"Instead, a specially appointed expert panel was set up by the Home Office. I can only suggest that this was done because the opinion of the ACMD is often not exactly welcomed by the Home Office".
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33079042

Unlike the Misuse of Drugs Act which states the home secretary cannot ban drugs "except after consultation with or on the recommendation of the Advisory Council", the Psychoactive Substances Bill leaves ministers free to ask advice from anyone they wish.
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sickening.
 
Unlike the Misuse of Drugs Act which states the home secretary cannot ban drugs "except after consultation with or on the recommendation of the Advisory Council", the Psychoactive Substances Bill leaves ministers free to ask advice from anyone they wish.or just their own ill informed biased opinion[/I
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Fixed...

Or, rather it's all bust up into to bits and whirling around out of control... fuckin establishment :!
 
5StarSquatHotel said:
Try like 20 odd months of heavy daily drinking then attempting a non medically supervised detox, that's how drink kills and that's how drink kills fast. I don't live in an inner city and I am totally out of touch with the local scene but I know of at least 10 people seriously dependant on drink and they are all early 20's, many of them have fitted at one point or another.
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How many of your mates under 40 have died because of alcohol abuse?
 
One Thousand Words said:
How many of your mates under 40 have died because of alcohol abuse?
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What point are you trying to make here OTW? You seem as dangerously unaware of the dangers of alcohol as you were willing to play down, through your own ignorance (which I pointed out and which you've gone quiet on) of the dangers of benzo addiction.

If you are genuinely morally outraged about facets of drug use in the modern era you need to start banging on about the binge drinking culture that is about to start taking many, many young lives. Far more young lives than the 12 apparent RC abuse deaths (government figures) that the NPS Bill will 'save'.

Alcohol kills. Your ignorance of this fact is astounding.
 
otw is simply proving that he can be a very effective troll and as folk in EADD don't often express those sorts a views, he's quite handy to argue our points with ;)

This by Lord Mancroft who noted, as did I, that:-

Fascinatingly, in the Bill, for the first time ever, as other noble Lords have pointed out, possession for personal use will not be a crime. I would be fascinated to hear my noble friend explain the Government’s thinking behind that. I agree with it, but if it applies to these drugs, why does it not apply to all the other drugs, too?
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I am quite surprised by this & wonder also, if this might be the first step towards a Portuguese style rethink... we can only hope that at some point legislation is produced that actually makes drugs use safer. Because such legislation exists, Portugal, Colorado & Holland before them all proved that. Easing legal strictures against drugs use produces safer drugs use. Simples.
 
Some interesting discussion of the relationship between police and drugs harm reduction in this article - http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?2497 touches on the experiences of portugal and holland and the difference in outcomes compared to the UK.

Also that is pretty odd isn't it Si Dread, it sounds like this whole thing has just been pulled out of theresa mays arse.
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
What point are you trying to make here OTW? You seem as dangerously unaware of the dangers of alcohol as you were willing to play down, through your own ignorance (which I pointed out and which you've gone quiet on) of the dangers of benzo addiction.

If you are genuinely morally outraged about facets of drug use in the modern era you need to start banging on about the binge drinking culture that is about to start taking many, many young lives. Far more young lives than the 12 apparent RC abuse deaths (government figures) that the NPS Bill will 'save'.

Alcohol kills. Your ignorance of this fact is astounding.
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My point is that although alcohol eventually kills, it takes a fucking long conserted effort to do so. Take violence and motor vehicles out of the equation (which can kill you sober), and you have a relatively safe substance. An alcoholic 12 months into a habit is in a far better situation than someone binging on the majority of the substances that are being proposed being banned.

The binge culture is the very reason why the majority of you can not be trusted with an open unregulated market.
 
Well that's not true. Alcohol is well known for its carcinogenic and hepatoxic properties, among others. Other GABAergics don't have anything like the same chronic toxicity.
 
One Thousand Words said:
The binge culture is the very reason why the majority of you can not be trusted with an open unregulated market.
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You keep saying it's the majority of us, but that's just not true is it? It's a minority of people who take things too far, and the amount of deaths reflects this. I've been using drugs for years responsibly (save for a few times when I've had "1 line/pill/drink too many" and ended up feeling shitty, but who hasn't?) and most of my peers have too. Why should we have to buy them on the black market - risking consuming potentially adulterated products and attaining criminal records - just because a minority take things too far and end up (tragically) dying? It's the same with booze. I know alcoholics, but i know far more drinkers who aren't. That doesn't mean alcohol is more safe than other drugs. They'd be the exact same if benzos or anything else was as popular and socially acceptable as booze.

As for alcoholism, you clearly know nothing about it.
 
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