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Novel stimulant compounds (perhaps with less spam than the 'stims of the future')

I would think that a long half-life would make people less likely to redose than a short half-life, as there wouldn't be a roller-coaster up/crash effect. The warning about oral dosing does make me think twice, however. I hate chemicals that are difficult to dose orally (engendering either no effect or too much effect with annoying sides). In addition, plugging is just definitely not for me--I don't want to be anal about this, but it sounds like a real pain in the ass, no ifs ands or buts ;).
A long half-life would make people less likely to redose, but by no means *unlikely* to do so. Particularly those who tend to be compulsive with dopaminergic stims. Frankly I think even Meth is a lot safer for those who fall into that category, as it doesn't have the same crazy-@ss absurd duration of effects... that's the real trouble spot, if you ask me. Overdose even a little and you're stuck with it for more than 24 hours.
fastandbulbous said:
Never made me nervous and I'd tried doses all the way up to 30mg (which I must say IS NOT recommended). Ever considered that your reaction to it was fairly unique to you as most people don't think of it in such negative terms?
What do you suppose my "reaction" was, F&B? All that happened was that I chronically redosed, without really caring or paying attention to what I was doing, with the end result being a dose *far* higher than what you mention above. Hope you're not suggesting I'm the only person on the planet who'd be dumb enough to do this... yes it was extremely idiotic, but the same behavior with most stims would have you pretty well back to normal within 6 hours. I just 'didn't think', and the possibility of this being even remotely common is worrysome IMO. Do you really suppose folks who've talked about smoking the stuff intend on taking "one hit" or so and stopping? Jesus, I wish I didn't know what they may have to face... :(
 
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Ok well heres some nice novel stimulants for everyone.

Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry Letters 13 (2003) 513–517, says that the compounds 4-(diphenylmethyl)pyridine and 4-(1,2-diphenylethyl)pyridine are dopamine reuptake inhibitors in vitro with a similar potency to cocaine but more selectivity for DAT vs 5HTT/NET.

Now there is no animal data for these compounds at all so far as I can find, and no synthetic route is given. However looking at the structures I can't see why they wouldn't enter the CNS and inhibit dopamine reuptake in vivo, and they shouldn't get metabolised particularly fast.

My concern though, is that being 4-substituted pyridine derivatives, these compounds might cause dopaminergic neurotoxicity a la MPTP. Seeing as there is no animal data at all, I'm not sure how easy this is to predict. Do you guys reckon it is likely that these compounds will be horribly neurotoxic?
 
the compounds 4-(diphenylmethyl)pyridine and 4-(1,2-diphenylethyl)pyridine are dopamine reuptake inhibitors in vitro with a similar potency to cocaine but more selectivity for DAT vs 5HTT/NET.

I have read that the 4-substituted pyridines are neurotoxic (can't remember mechanism, but not as neurotoxic as MPTP) so personally I'd say avoid like the plague unless you want Pakinson's disease when you get older
 
I am getting more and more interested in modafinil and its analogs. Modafinil itself has some properties which make it a good stimulant for those who do not want a recreational drug - it is not compulsive, has little recreational value on its own, lasts 15-20 h in sensible doses, is subtle, does not cause too much insomnia, has relatively few physical side effects.

Still, it is powerful - with it, one can retain his ability to work and concentrate even after 100 h of no sleep. There is no urge to do that kind of sleep deprivation to oneself voluntarily, like with the oh-so-great dopaminergic stimulants. (I miss the rock music enhancement, though.)

I regard the low potency as the problem with modafinil.
The goal would be to find a compound retaining the properties cited above, while having a) higher potency b) a structure that's easy to put together.

Patents of Cephalon Inc. dealing with modafinil analogs : WO 2005100310, EP 1586560.

I would like to ask the community to help me collect information on the SAR of modafinil analogs. The 2-(3,4-dichlorophenoxy)-benzylsulfinylacetamide and (4'-chlorobiphenyl)-2-ylmethylsulfinylacetamide sound interesting as chlorination is supposed to enhance potency. I would be grateful for any SAR data, these patents contain none.

Great thread, by the way.
 
mad_scientist said:
Ok well heres some nice novel stimulants for everyone.

Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry Letters 13 (2003) 513–517, says that the compounds 4-(diphenylmethyl)pyridine and 4-(1,2-diphenylethyl)pyridine are dopamine reuptake inhibitors in vitro with a similar potency to cocaine but more selectivity for DAT vs 5HTT/NET.

Now there is no animal data for these compounds at all so far as I can find, and no synthetic route is given. However looking at the structures I can't see why they wouldn't enter the CNS and inhibit dopamine reuptake in vivo, and they shouldn't get metabolised particularly fast.

My concern though, is that being 4-substituted pyridine derivatives, these compounds might cause dopaminergic neurotoxicity a la MPTP. Seeing as there is no animal data at all, I'm not sure how easy this is to predict. Do you guys reckon it is likely that these compounds will be horribly neurotoxic?

the related 4-diphenylmethyl piperidine compound is exceedingly lethal to islet cells in the pancreas causing type 1 diabetes. I have no data for the 4-diphenylmethylpyridine but I seem to remember that schering patented them in the 1960's or 70's.
You don't need to worry about MPP+ type neurotoxicity as the diphenylmethane group will not stabilise a permanently charged species.
quickly from memory The 1 butyl compound or something very similar is an antiparkinsonian agent, so I expect that is through DAT inhibition.
 
^ are you referring to:
4-(1-butyl-2-phenylethyl)pyridine

I assume you feel that this and the aforementioned 4-(1,2-diphenylethyl)pyridine are not toxic an likely solid, viable DAT-I substrates

any ideas on dosings or why never pursued for pharmas? ..notably they were compared in potency to the big C...was that oral route

also i second armadillo's interest in modafinil analogues if anyone has insights, structures, et al =D
 
Modafinil

Noting the below were the chloro analogues dismissed due to higher toxicity/side effect issues or ????

From WikiP

Pharmacology
The exact mechanism of action is unclear, although in vitro studies have shown it to inhibit the reuptake of dopamine and, more potently, norepinephrine. While the co-administration of a dopamine antagonist is known to decrease the stimulant effect of amphetamine, it does not negate the wakefulness-promoting actions of modafinil. Modafinil activates glutamatergic circuits while inhibiting GABAergic neurotransmission. Modafinil is thought to have less potential for abuse than other stimulants due to the absence of any significant euphoric or pleasurable effects.

The central stimulating effect of modafinil shows dose and time-related features. The effect tends to be enhanced by chlorination but reduced by methylation. Modafinil blocks the reuptake of norepinephrine by the noradrenergic terminals on sleep-promoting neurons from the ventrolateral preoptic nucleus (VLPO). Such a mechanism could be at least partially responsible for the wake-promoting effect of modafinil.

Modafinil has a binding coefficient (Ki) of about 4,000 nmol/L for the dopamine reuptake transporter, and in excess of 10,000 nmol/L for the norepinephrine reuptake transporter.

A newly proposed mechanism of action involves brain peptides called orexins, also known as hypocretins. Orexin neurons are found in the hypothalamus but project to many different parts of the brain, including several areas that regulate wakefulness. Activation of these neurons increases dopamine and norepinephrine in these areas, and excite histaminergic tuberomammillary neurons increasing histamine levels there. There are two receptors for hypocretins, namely hcrt1 and hcrt2. Animal studies have shown that animals with defective orexin systems show signs and symptoms similar to narcolepsy. Modafinil seems to activate these orexin neurons thus promoting wakefulness. However, a study of genetically modified dogs lacking orexin receptors showed that modafinil still promoted wakefulness in these animals, suggesting that orexin activation is not required for the effects of modafinil.

It is possible that modafinil acts by a synergistic combination of mechanisms including direct inhibition of dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake, as well as orexin activation.


It has been shown in rats that modafinil increases histamine release in the brain, and this may be a possible mechanism of action in humans.[32]

Modafinil used in a randomized double blind study showed that normal healthy volunteers between the ages of 30-44 showed general improvement in alertness as well as mood. In the 3 day study, counterbalanced, randomized, crossover, inpatient trial of modafinil 400 mg was administered as well as a placebo to the control group. The conclusion demonstrated that modafinil may have general mood elevating effects in particular for the adjunctive use in treatment-resistant depression.[21]


[edit] Pharmacokinetics
Modafinil induces the cytochrome P450 enzymes CYP1A2, CYP2B6 and CYP3A4, as well as inhibiting CYP2C9 and CYP2C19 in vitro. It may also induce P-glycoprotein, which may affect drugs transported by Pgp, such as digoxin.

Cmax occurs approximately 2–3 hours after administration. Food will slow absorption, but does not affect the total AUC. Half-life is generally in the 10–12 hour range, subject to differences in CYP genotypes, liver function and renal function. It is metabolized in the liver, and its inactive metabolite is excreted in the urine
 
LuxEtVeritas said:
^ are you referring to:
4-(1-butyl-2-phenylethyl)pyridine

I assume you feel that this and the aforementioned 4-(1,2-diphenylethyl)pyridine are not toxic an likely solid, viable DAT-I substrates

any ideas on dosings or why never pursued for pharmas? ..notably they were compared in potency to the big C...was that oral route

also i second armadillo's interest in modafinil analogues if anyone has insights, structures, et al =D

I have no data, this does NOT mean that I think the the 4-diphenylmethyl pyridine or the 4-(1,2 diphenylethyl) are non-toxic. They are likely to be able to cross the BBB they have the right properties.
I have not located the patent yet, it is in my notes somewhere
for the reference to the islet cell toxicity, see below, not sure what the mechanism is, would seem to infer an oxidative process but perhaps it works by decreasing insulin sensitivity or something else entirely.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=324024&dopt=Citation
Isomeric specificity of diphenylmethylpiperidine in the production of rat pancreatic islet cell toxicity.

Hintze KL, Aboul-Enein HY, Fischer LJ.

The relationship between chemical structure and the pancreotoxic potential of positional isomers of diphenylmethylpiperidine was investigated in rats. The chemical synthesis of these compounds and their N-methylated analogs is reported. Oral administration of 4-diphenylmethylpiperidine and its N-methylated derivative (130 and 260 micronmoles/kg) to rats for 14 days resulted in hyperglycemia, reduced pancreatic insulin content and the formation of large vacuoles in the cytoplasm of pancreatic islet cells. No effect on beta cell morphology or insulin content was observed after administration of 2- and 3-diphenylmethylpiperidine and their N-methylated analogs.

both the 4-(alpha alpha diphenyl methyl ) and the 4-(1,2,diphenyl ethane) are are commercially available, and if this is the paper I am thinking of the reason they were assayed was because they were commercially available. the a a diphenyl is commercially known as 4-benzhydryl pyridine and is mostly used in metal extraction and purification I think.
 
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Interesting this thread is heading deaper into benzhydryl territory.
Regarding the 4-diphenylmethylpiperidine it seams to me that 130 umol/kg is
quite a hefty dose, I could think of quite a few things that would be bad in thoose amounts. Intesting that the 2- and 3-substitued where safe at that load, not an easy thing to grasp.

A few bezhydryl papers.......

Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, 1978, Vol. 21, 78-82 (3,3-Diphenylcyclobutylamines)

Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, 1975, Voll8, No. 1, 71-, (3-cis-2-(4’-Chlorobenzhydryl)-3-quinuclidinol)

And for the modafinil analogues maybe a tasty nocaine-modafinil hybrid? :)
J. Med. Chem. 2005, 48, 7970-7979

Happy weekend BL'ers!
 
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Although the abovementioned study reagrding modafinil analogues is quite interesting and I would love to see the full text which is not free did you mean to note this study?

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1395211

Piperidine-Based Nocaine/Modafinil Hybrid Ligands as Highly Potent Monoamine Transporter Inhibitors: Efficient Drug Discovery by Rational Lead Hybridization
Jia Zhou,† Rong He,‡ Kenneth M. Johnson,§ Yanping Ye,§ and Alan P. Kozikowski

Anyone care to pick a best candidate from the studies noted and relay some ideas of effect, safety profile, dose conjectures, etc....???...16e from the study noted above is a bit off the hook at roughly 1nM RI potencies across the board at DAT/SERT/NET...even with modest bioavailability one is likely talking maximally low single digit milligram doses 8o =D
 
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Ahrrg said:
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Interesting this thread is heading deaper into benzhydryl territory.
Regarding the 4-diphenylmethylpiperidine it seams to me that 130 umol/kg is
quite a hefty dose, I could think of quite a few things that would be bad in thoose amounts. Intesting that the 2- and 3-substitued where safe at that load, not an easy thing to grasp.

30mg or so per Kg... this may also be a species specific toxic effect, as rats get zapped by a couple of isoquinolines which don't effect humans. however I think that having a functional pancreas is rather useful 8) , and it really isn't worth it for a desoxypipradrol type effect, use desoxypipradrol instead. :)
this seems to be a quite specific effect, and yes lots of things are toxic at 30mg/kg but very few are selective like this..
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also as a quick side note on the above Modafinil analogues is they may explore the RI effects, but do not I believe characterize for the effects that Modafinil has on glutamatergic, GABAergic, and orexin pathways that may be key to its overall effect and unique profile/feel

still of interest though...
 
Absolutely agreed, don't jeopardise your pancreas on this one!8o
I was merely qurious how this postion change made it liver toxic.


vecktor said:
30mg or so per Kg... this may also be a species specific toxic effect, as rats get zapped by a couple of isoquinolines which don't effect humans. however I think that having a functional pancreas is rather useful 8) , and it really isn't worth it for a desoxypipradrol type effect, use desoxypipradrol instead. :)
this seems to be a quite specific effect, and yes lots of things are toxic at 30mg/kg but very few are selective like this..
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Ahrrg said:
Absolutely agreed, don't jeopardise your pancreas on this one!8o
I was merely qurious how this postion change made it liver toxic.

it would be very interesting to know!!
I am guessing the presence of the electron donating group in the 4 position enables some metabolism that it prevented in the 2 or 3 substituted version. I don't have ready access to articles in that journal from 1977 :-(
A huge bit of speculation would be that it encourages oxidative attack at the 2 position to create a lactam, this would be supressed in the 2 and 3 substituted isomers.
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Yeah I loved modafinil and even the weaker analogue adrafinil was pretty decent. Would be very interested in seeing some SAR studies on these compounds if anyone can dig some references up! Totally different effects to any other stimulants I've tried, alert and focused but without being wired and restless, and no comedown to speak of.

That J. Med. Chem. paper on Piperidine-Based Nocaine/Modafinil Hybrids is interesting, but it looks like they just used the modafinil structure as a novel side chain for their piperidine based DAT inhibitors, so I doubt the effects would be much like modafinil at all, more like desoxypipradrol or something I would imagine.

Compound 16e does look promising, but its a 7 step synthesis of pretty complex chemistry to get to it, and two stereogenic centres so the yields would be crappy. Compound 8 was compared to cocaine in that paper, and found to produce similar effects in mice but twice as potent as cocaine, but again, 6 synthetic steps from arecoline and two stereogenic centres makes for an unattractive target.
 
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depends likely on the half-life how much one is going to see a resemblance to what the usual cocaine effect is noted for

16e may combine pan-RI effects with modafinil effect so think of taking say nomifensine with modafinil perhaps...???...

adrafinil i believe is somewhat hepatotoxic so be aware of that, but basically it is a pro-drug of modafinil, so a bit of a dirty weaker relative, but of course wholly unscheduled in the US (and likely abroad) so attractive for that reason wherein MOD is Sched IV in US
 
Somehow it looks very strange (hydrophilic?), I wolud guess low activity or non. If one wants a new 3,4-methylenedioxy why not just put that group directly on the zylofuramine or prehaps on an aminorex.

Edit: Although, that is probably not very promising either
 
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With a risk of making the thread more stims of yesterday, I would like to bring the subject back to zylofuramine.
FnB you wrote that you might have tasted this one, could you elaborate?
I got some time over to read the Sterling patent and the j. med. chem. papers and it seams alright, although a bit of a mess with the stereochem.
Them I found a later patent (US 3301865) were the "zylofuramine" is used a precursor for 2-benzyl-3-piperidinol compounds with activity comparable to AMP.
"2-benzyl-3-piperidinol 16 mg/kg, 1,2-dibenzyl-3-methoxypiperidine 8mg/kg, 1-cis-2-benzyl-1-ethyl-3-piperidinol 8mg/kg" Makes one wonder if these were better and lead to zylofuramine not being persued or if they all were found to be unhealty/abuse prone?
These compunds looked very similar to some old Schering substances (US 2997478) e.g. the SCH-5472 discussed i the old stims thread,(I think by haribo)....would make for some interesting patent issues by modern standards.......some further digging and I found the old J. Med. Chem paper (1968, 792-796) where these substances are descibed and tested on mice (ablite a bit rudimentary)
I also read DrHeckylls comments in the old stims thread on unreliable effects of SCH-5274, but according to the J.med. Chem paper that comment would be for the N-methyl version.
Do someone know anything more about these compounds or have the refs below (alledged to describe the clinical "trials" of the Schering compounds):
1. S. Irwin, N. Slabok, P. DeBiasse, and W. Govier, Arch. Int. Pharmacodyn.
Ther., 118, 358 (1959).
2. J. Nodine, T. Rode. J. Slap. H. Lery, and P. Siegler, Antzbiol. Med. Clzn. Therapy, 7, 771 (1960).
 
I'd love to hear what you have to say about zylofuramine. I've always liked the structure of that one, though looking back, it's not particularly interesting. Maybe it was the name?

Anyway, I'd assume that it'd be weaker than ethylamphetamine, correct? Probably the sort of thing that'd get a C3 of 4 rating if it became abused?
 
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