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non-addictive opiates

I don't know if someone has already said this yet, but there is a a new Opiate that has non addictive qualities that is now on the market: Toradol.

Scientists at first thought that Tramadol would not be an addictive opiate when used, but turned out to be quite addictive, so they went back to the labs, and have came up with Toradol.

My Suboxone Dr. told me about this, and said if you ever have surgeory than request Toradol because of the nature of my addiction, I will need a non addictive opiate.
 
OhSeeAT said:
I don't know if someone has already said this yet, but there is a a new Opiate that has non addictive qualities that is now on the market: Toradol.

Scientists at first thought that Tramadol would not be an addictive opiate when used, but turned out to be quite addictive, so they went back to the labs, and have came up with Toradol.

My Suboxone Dr. told me about this, and said if you ever have surgeory than request Toradol because of the nature of my addiction, I will need a non addictive opiate.
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No, no one has said this yet because Toradol is neither "new" nor is it even close to an opioid.

It is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It actually is a pretty damn good pain-killer, but it does not bind to opioid receptors, does not elicit an opioid response, and it just ain't an opioid.
 
kratom, effexor, and DXM are all technically opioids so i would go with those, even though i guess they could have mild w/d's, i haven't met anyone addicted to these. however, they are all like anything else that is rewarding such as eating, sex, working out, ect... and could potentially can be addicting. someone could get addicted to anything really it is all subjective...
 
laCster said:
kratom, effexor, and DXM are all technically opioids so i would go with those, even though i guess they could have mild w/d's, i haven't met anyone addicted to these. however, they are all like anything else that is rewarding such as eating, sex, working out, ect... and could potentially can be addicting. someone could get addicted to anything really it is all subjective...
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And the hits just keep on coming....Neither effexor nor DXM are opioids. The former is an SSRI/SNRI and the latter is an anti-tussive and dissociative at high doses. Neither will produce any opioid activity.

Kratom does contain alkaloids that elicit an opioid response and as such I suppose you could categorize it as an "opioid".
 
To the person who mentioned toradol as a opiate/oid that is an insanely outrageous and incorrect claim, i was in full blown opiate withdrawal from daily opana use and visited the emergency room due to my parents concern at the time, i recieved IM toradol for "pain"and i will have you know my opiate withdrawal symptoms did not cease.

Also on a side note that shit burns like hell on the injection site i refuse to ever recieve it again.
 
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Klonopin King said:
To the person who mentioned toradol as a opiate/oid that is an insanely outrageous and incorrect claim, i was in full blown opiate withdrawal from daily opana use and visited the emergency room due to my parents concern at the time, i recieved IM toradol for "pain"and i will have you know my opiate withdrawal symptoms did not cease.

Also on a side note that shit burns like hell on the injection site i refuse to ever recieve it again.
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That's because Toradol is an NSAID and has no opioid activity whatsoever.
 
Kratom isnt really addictive because it comes with too much plant matter and technically it is too expensive to perform an extraction unless u have a cheap source.

Somebody said above Effexor is an opioid. No it fucking isnt. It's a PEA derivative, drugs like methadone and pethidine are phenylpropylamines.

You could argue the case that tilidine and lefetamine are PEAs but ive tried Effexor at the maximum prescribed dosages (375mg/day) and can say from personal experience that it doesnt function as an opioid.

Interestingly I read somewhere that the most non-selective of the SSRIs (fluoxetine) also has some opioidergic activity, albeit weak. I find this somewhat unbelievable though I can probably dig up a reference from pubmed.

See here for example: https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/handle/1807/3953
 
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You can find all sorts of things that have their effects mediated through opioid receptors. That doesn't make them opioids. Neither does some weak affinity when other targets have high affinities elsewhere, making it only a tertiary effect.
 
I agree, I am on mirtazapine myself and wouldn't dare to say it is an opioid.. The reported effect on tolerance in the last study seems pretty interesting though, I wonder if it prevents/reduces opioid tolerance in humans with simple oral admin.
 
The curious thing about mirtazapine, and this is purely subjectively, the withdrawal bear a striking resemblance to opioid withdrawal. I am aware of little or nor literature that supports this......

Mirtazapine constricts the pupil, particularly in high dose.......personally I find mirtazapine to be wonderful compound, but a ineffective to mediocre anti-d.........
 
OhSeeAT said:
Scientists at first thought that Tramadol would not be an addictive opiate when used, but turned out to be quite addictive, so they went back to the labs, and have came up with Toradol.
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Did you or your doc perhaps confuse toradol with tapentadol? Toradol (ketorolac) has got nothing to do with tramadol, whereas tapentadol is a new opioid which is structurally and phamacologically related to tramadol.
 
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