Stimulants No fun from Amphetamines...

[Diloadid]

Methamphetamine is not as pleasurable as heroin, LSD, or MDA, MDMA, etc.

Some people would disagree with me, but that's just my 2 cents.

I would agree with heroin, MDA, and MDMA. I myself find LSD to produce an atypical kind of euphoria, that I don't find nearly as interesting as others.

Somebody posted in one of my recent amphetamine threads that 'less is more'. And I generally think for all intensive purposes when it comes to non-methylated amphetamines this to be true. I think with amphetamines in general the re-dose curve is very high, so you want that euphoria to never end.

I myself don't find methylphenidate or such analogs to have any euphoria. I think it is all relative on a personal level.

Give yourself a long period of sobriety, then try a lower-end recreational dose of amphetamine. I myself am currently under the influence of 60mg insufflated amphetamine (racemic mixture) and am finding that I should have been dozing this low the entire time. I am getting the same if not better effects from 60mg insufflated than I did after 100mg IV'd. And the amphetamine I am discussing at hand is about as pure a product I could wash it down to.

I think IV methamphetamine users are/would be more often let down by IV amphetamine. IV amphetamine in general, is a letdown. And prior to my first time trying cleaned street grade amphetamine for IV use the only experiences I had with IV amphetamines were IV MDMA and speed-balling dextroamphetamine salts with hydromorphine IV. So maybe I set myself
up for overall failure but i would generally argue that even pharmaceutical grade amphetamine salts are rather pointless to IV. Try a different ROA after giving yourself some time off from using any stimulants. Then you might find the fun.

Also there could be a many other factor in this. Such as experiences of the past where you had bouts of insomnia and or other pronounced side-effects and those thoughts sit at a sub-conscious level not allowing you to fully enoy your stimulate g high.

But I would probably blame it on the methamphetamine.

 

[laCster]

^^

as in, without habitual use?

because it does seem like a tolerance, but more to the mental effects. physically, amphetamines affect me much the same as always. after 2 years use, i still am up for 36 hours after dosing.

life-long tolerance usually doesnt happen to people who take 10mgs addy here and there to study, it happens to people who go on binges or take insane amounts of amps in a sitting, but that does not mean that it wont happen to someone who takes amphetamines irregularly.


expectations have alot to do with how much "fun" you will have on a certain drug, it doesnt matter which drug though. the best example would be LSD. if you are expecting a life-changing experience, expecting to have fun, ect.. .you will have a good time, but if you have doubts in your mind, anxiety, ect... then the trip will suck, and possibly be terrifying! another great example is placebo like in scientific trials which is obviously self-explanitory. also, like how people always think their weed is mixed with PCP or crack or something after having an overwhelming experience...i can go on an on, but i think you get the point

now, for LSD and psychedelics, mind-set and expectation play a huge roll! while maybe amps it doesnt matter as much. however, the preconceived notions you have about the experience definitely seems to be affecting you

i've never had a problem with amphetamines and expecting too much or whatever, but it always used to happen with oxy and heroin!! like for some reason, after taking a break, i wouldnt get as euphoric as i would after taking opiates for days straight, its weird as fuck!! and im sure other people have had experiences with having to high expectations, ect..

 

[chrisalt]

Yeah when i first started benzos they relaxed me to no end. Now i dont get the same bliss feelings. They dont manage my anxiety as much either

 

[laCster]

Bro this thread isn't about benzos lol

 

[crestfallen]

I noticed this w/ Adderall, and the truth is this: The euphoria and awesome feelings you got on your first couple of trips aren't the "real" lasting effects. You expose your brain to something its never had before, and with repeated exposures, it quickly gets accustomed to the molecule. They are honeymoon effects and when they go away, you don't really ever get them back. My advice, coming from personal experience, is to cut your losses while you're ahead and square with the fact that you aren't going to get the awesomeness of amps back. I've taken long 6 month breaks and just get a small fraction of the euphoria I got the first month on amp. It's been downhill since then

Different ROA won't help and neither will raising your dose (just makes the negative feelings worse). It's gone bro.

 

[pisspotnrock]

I'm exactly the same man.. I've only been using amphetamines for ~3 years (Im 20 now) but as of late (bit over a year since I first IVed meth), I've been experiencing exactly what you describe.. sort of asif I have a tolerance that wont go away, even after abstaining for over a month...

even if I IV enough meth to make me dryreach/vomit, theres no where near the same amount of euphoria as there used to be.. and cap. heroin, I dissagree.. I reckon meth is way more pleasurable than smack but having that said, you cant really compare the 'pleasure' level of the drugs you mentioned with eachother because they all fall under different class's and produce different 'forms of pleasure' if you know what I mean...

by the way, EVERYONE I know refers to meth as 'gear', including myself

 

[Tyrielle]

I 100% agree with crestfallen.. i've been smoking meth for just over two years and quite recently had a 4-month break from it (the plan was to quit but I failed lol) so on top of all that guilt the high still wasn't nearly as good as when I first started. I believe other factors come into it as well - when I first started smoking I was going to new places and doing activities I hadn't done before, but over the 2-year span of using I've realised that I'm stuck doing the same thing all the time and I think that's what kills the 'fun' factor. I can strongly relate to the 'rollercoaster' feeling as well. After just having a puff for a couple of seconds I forget all the shit in my life and only to be hit in the face by reality seconds later. Sometimes it goes alright and suddenly a wave of anxiety will hit me although I have no idea why, usually when I'm driving.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

Dude same thing is going on for me. A few weeks ago. I would get an Unbelievable Euphoria from Dextro/Levo Amphetamine Sulphate not Methamphetamine. Now these past weeks as I consume my Amphetamine all I can feel is a sort of slight Euphoria, Talkaltivity and strong stimulation but the Powerful Euforia is gone.

 

[aguythatlikessmoke]

I think that Amphetamines are a good drug but so damn dirty. I am glad I didn't try crystal meth but I want to switch from Street Amphetamine Sulphate to Pharmaceutical grade Dexedrine or adderall, mixed amphetamine salts. Initially you will get great Euphoria a great time and good stimulation, talkativity a good party drug as well . Later on though Euphoria diminshes vastly only a small tad left and Peripheral side effects such as nervousness, High heart rate and stress ETC Fight or Flight response type sh'' will increase. I found that later on For you to Enjoy Amphetamines and avoid side effects is to use smaller dosages and to mix it with alcohol or another substance such as Kratom, Kanna Succulent Anti depressant herb. ANd also I found that walking and being active while under the influence of Amphetamines tends to bring back some Euforic elements or the good feel.

 

[Tyrielle]

Yeah i've found with meth and MDMA which I consume both pretty regulary that it makes a big difference what kind of enviroment I'm at while high. When I first started using it didn't matter so much, the confidence and euphoria made anywhere exciting; now I never go clubbing and don't like hanging with people other than close mates because instead of feeling good I actually feel worse than sober - paranoid, uncomfortable etc. I used to enjoy meth at home, i could get things done real quick and I could just sit there listening to drum and bass for hours, now it makes me bored and I don't even feel high.

 

[pkt]

I've only really enjoyed methamphetine smoked, when i was younger i used to dabble in speed and sell regular amphetamine powder. I had an unlimited supply to pure dexamphetamine pills which i used mainly for work but quickly developed a bad habit to benzo's to combat the comedown and by the end i just couldnt be fucked up filling out the prescriptions!

I've IV'ed methamphetamine on various occasions but i never got a rush, it just kept me up. I've IV'ed Amphetamine sulphate in large ammounts expecting a rush which never came and as OP says just kept me up for days....

I have fun on X and RC's though...

I think you'r better off just laying off the AMP's because it seems like with time you can "lose the magic"

 

[Venrak]

You just lose the magic as has been said by many members above. I've taken beaks up to two years, only to regain a fraction of what once was. Yeah, there was increase in euphoria, but none of the wonder and beauty. None of the scalp tingles or waves of euphoria. What little was regained was promptly lost.

So yeah, it's gone, man. Increasing the dose will only exacerbate sides.

 

[LOGan1314]

ONce again, as I've stated multiple times, I am so amazed at how drugs affect people differently. When I started doing opiates, my tolerance went up after ONE USE...no exaggerating I swear I railed 30 mg oxycodone and the NEXT DAY when I railed the same amount it felt like 15. MY tolerance sky rocketed and even when I took breaks of up to 7-8 months I couldn't get the opiate magic back.

Now for stims/amphetamines, I used them constantly for two years and a THREE OR FOUR DAY break dropped my tolerance all the way down like I had never done them. Weird shit...everyone's brain is different.

 

[Renz Envy]

When I weigh the entire experience from up to down, I don't really see the entirety as enjoyable in the first place. It seems like a good example of "what goes up must come down."

 

[Tryptamino]

this sounds like basically what happened to me. i take adderall sometimes, but not to tweak, i just use it to be more sociable. when i do meth, i still get some of the high, but its not even as strong as 20mg adderall was during daily use, and i cut FAT lines, like coke-size lines. i wont shoot or smoke, so rectal is the only ROA that works well anymore. the only problem with that ROA is that, even with a scale, finding a dose can be tricky, and i always seem to dose too high.

anyway, OP, youve hit the wall, man. you cant tweak anymore, your body is so tolerant to meth that its verging on immunity. Stop. Continuing to try to get high is just a waste of money. I use meth maybe once a month, more or less, but since I used adderall and cocaine for 2 years daily, my meth tolerance rises exponentially with each use, despite the chelated magnesium (to prevent tolerance) and long breaks in between uses. Amphetamine tolerance can be permanent. My MDMA tolerance is the same as it was 4 years ago, when i used it last, because a few months ago, my friends and i got some molly, and my friends all took 1 cap orally, but i went and plugged one and ate one, yet i felt barely anything, just a few weak waves of euphoria and a headache. The last time MDMA got me high was 2009, and that was from around 250mgs of what i think was very pure mdma. the more recent occasion's dose was 200(100rectal,100oral), and my friends reported full-blown effects from 100mg orally.

With amps, tolerance can get so high that it doesn't go away, no matter how hard you try to beat your tolerance (long-term amphetamine abstinence, chelated magnesium, no redosing, some people claim GHB works), if its that high, you need to just stop now, youre never gonna find what your looking for, man, sorry my recomendation is to never touch it again, but realistically, i think 1 year off of meth will not only help reduce tolerance, but itll give you time to reconsider whether youreally need to go back to using it. also a year off meth might not even work.