no effect with 5k+ testosterone count

Testosterone Types and Delivery:
Esterification of testosterone is done in order to improve the solubility of testosterone in oil, which in turn slows the release of the testosterone from the site where it enters the body.
When people speak of whether a particular testosterone ester is "fast acting" or "slow acting," they are usually referring to the partition coefficient/solubility in oil. As described above, esters with more carbon atoms will generally be more soluble in oil-- they are often referred to as "slow-acting" esters (they stay active in the system longer). Esters that are less soluble in oil are often referred to as "fast-acting" forms of testosterone, referring to the fact that they are more quickly available and used up in the blood stream.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html

Most non responders have either gotten bunk gear, have zero patience, or are training and eating like shit. If your gear is real the only difference the ester makes is the amount of time between injections amd just how fast yoru body reaches peak plasma concentration of thatgiven compound and the amount of testosterone present in each injection 200mg of TNE is 200mg of Testosterone 200mg of test prop is less due to ester weight as cyp is less then prop ect ect. A lot of this shit gets passed on as real science when its just BS, and can be proven wrong by any actual data on the compounds and a 5 minuet Google search. It is like the belief that you can only use certain compounds to bulk or cut the fact is you can use what ever, it all comes down to diet and training. The OP here has an issue and it wasn't bunk gear his test levels were up and it wasn't that he didn't respond ( he wasn't taking it to build muscle any way) he just didn't get the libido and sexual function he was looking for, but with that much gear you can often get the reverse effect and suppress libido, but I doubt he jumped right to 2g+ a week. So he is right to think it was not really the test but a separate issue. The thing is most people think if i take this I will look like that, and forget to do the work, but its that simple shit in is shit out. BTW OP I am not trying to hammer you but rather the guy arguing that your issue is with the ester. With his issues with thyroid and libido, sexual dysfunction he may in fact have a serious underlying endocrine system issue, or a urological issue, vascular malformation, or any number of other issues or a combination of smaller issues that are wreaking havoc on his system. 2g a week is a sledge hammer the fact that he got nothing from it suggest 1:bunk gear ( though he said his test levels were off the chart) so we can rule that out based on the info he gave us 2: an underlying issue that needs to be sorted via, blood panels full hormone panels, a closer look by an endocrinologist and or a urologist, possibly a few more tests fro things like growths or other mechanical issues, relating to the issue like prostate enlargement, vascular blockages or malformations ect ect bottom line he needs to see a doctor not change his ester on the test.
 
You've hit it right there Neo:

2g/week and no sexual function, but test through the roof.... HIGH E2....!!!!!
 
No matter what my test level is if my E2 is too high it kills my libido. Same will happen it its too low.

Curious to know what you results for everything was, e2, dht, prolcatin etc
 
No matter what my test level is if my E2 is too high it kills my libido. Same will happen it its too low.

Curious to know what you results for everything was, e2, dht, prolcatin etc

yeah dude did you get you dht tested? iam pretty sure it would come on the low side.

dude just get some legit prop and inject every 2 to 3 days. you will feel it in the second week. dont worry theres nothing wrong with you bro, just low t at the most. prob will feel libido sky rocket then fade depending on dose and estrogen.

no disrespect to science but it is what it is, just dont want the guy to be scared when only real problem is test not releasing.

dude when you do wanna use long ester ur only bet is sustonon or deconate. weird right i respond to the longest ester there is but not cyp.
 
yeah dude did you get you dht tested? iam pretty sure it would come on the low side.

dude just get some legit prop and inject every 2 to 3 days. you will feel it in the second week. dont worry theres nothing wrong with you bro, just low t at the most. prob will feel libido sky rocket then fade depending on dose and estrogen.

no disrespect to science but it is what it is, just dont want the guy to be scared when only real problem is test not releasing.

dude when you do wanna use long ester ur only bet is sustonon or deconate. weird right i respond to the longest ester there is but not cyp.

Some amazing science there.....!!!!!




Dude..!!
 
Some amazing science there.....!!!!!




Dude..!!



when did i say that was science lmao. thats speaking from experience you can just read cant innovate and figure something out for yourself lmao. you just mad dude.


i aint tryin to start a argument so rock on "dude"
 
Dudes. Stahp. Pls.
















And dudettes too, don't think you getting outta this one coz you ain't.
 
lol your acting like little childish kids cause you aint got the answer and you respond with this childish shit lmao.

what do you want me to stop with? why do feel the need to type this childish shit for? why do you feel the need to make fun of an individual for saying dude lmao cause you learned something that was not in wikipedia i guess that can take some time to digest and accept.



any way to the op get some prop.
 
OP said that he had blood tests done, and his test levels were "off the charts high". So obviously his body WAS BREAKING THE ENANTHATE DOWN. You're completely wrong powerclean.
 
If he lacked esterase (which some people do) he would only respond to test suspension or test no ester. You're basically saying that its ok for someone whos lactose intolerant to drink 1% or skim milk. Granted its a lot less lactose, there is still some in there. Same idea: body lacking an enzyme causing issues with breaking down chemicals.
 
ok now were making progress. now listen to this did you know that i cant drink alchole cause my body cant convert it to ethenol so no matter how much i drink i will never get a buzz i will die from poison before i get any kind of buzz never can get drunk to save my life. so were not all the same.

and i was using pharm grade test cyp from cvs my levels also came sky high but it was like injecting water.

this was extremely frusterating was for me you would not imagine the dispair i was in. when i looked for answers everyone told me its your diet and training lmao adn then they flamed me.

imagine if i was using ugl gear and everytime i ordered i would have tought that it was fake that would have been awful and then i would have finally gotten the pharm grade gear only to find the same results.

all these punks that start these therads about it not working never bother to eleborate as in what else they tried and what not and if something did work for theme or not. there all selfish mother fuckers once they get there answer they never bother to post again as in what the problem was and what worked for theme so other people with the same problem can see this and not go trough what i have gone trough.
 
and maybe its not ester that the problem maybe its antibodies to cyp ester or enth. and i have heard the prop or more natural ester esier to hydrolyze.

what ever it is, the fact remains that it is not working why we can only eleborate cause there is no studies done on this.


we dont even know the science behind test e kicking in cause it's not blood saturation i can tell you this or not for everyone atleast some peoples body accepts the ester fater then other most it takes 2 to 4 weeks, you could inject 20ml bottle dosed at 200mg/ml and i mean the whole bottle all at once and most still not feel test e till week 3 or 4.

maybe this is the problem everyone goes trough this but most people body accept the ester after 2 to 3 weeks and other like me and op never do.

and this is not proven science and this condition does exist but is not recognized by any science so the only thing you can do is play scientist and come up with theroies and shit.

and iam posting all this shit cause maybe in the future people keep this in mind and pay closer attention this "kicking in of test" and so on.
 
milk and skim milk is there any chemical difference between theme? as in less carbons/hydrogen and so on. if there is possably yeah why not. iam far from being a chemist lol but prop is different material then cyp thus there is a diiferent reaction in the body.

like vicodin and oxycodone only minor difference but react differently in the body as in different paths of matabolization cyp350 or cyp this and that.

i just got sorry ass genetics when it comes to drugs it like god has given me built in genetics to prevent me from using drugs and when they do work my genetics prevent me from abusing theme.

like hydrocodone i can feel a slight buzz at first few time i took 1 or 2 pills but as with others as there tolerence builds they increase the dose. but with me it does not work like that if i take more then 4 pills i get no buzz but instead this toxic over run feeling. this is from cyp enzymes not able to convert vicodin to enough hydromorphone (vicodin is a pro-dug) thus more is converted to it's by product wich is toxic.

i never tried oxyxodone but that should work fine since its not a pro-drug.


and to the op have you used any other drugs before? if so what was your reaction to them like aclchole and vicodin and so on.
 
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The kick in on test is relative bro science. It is in your blood in a matter of hours and depending on Ester it reaches a peak plasma concentration in a matter of hours as well. The, time it takes for you to gain any appreciable gains from it are how ever, variable. Largely dependent on your side of the equation training diet ect. Weather or not you have an issue with an ester is beside the point of him begin able to process the bond. His issue is one of libido not whether or not he can process the ester.

The whole point is yes we can only guess. Have you ever considered the fact that you may be wrong and not us? Just saying because you seem to believe that you are Right and we are wrong with out listening to the argument presented( By the way mate I like the fact that you are rabidly defending your side of the position points from me on that mate, shows you are at least with it enough to argue a point well to recognize a cogent explanation). The fact though is he needs blood work to sort this out.
 
well its not even about results or training the thing is he does not feel anything like injecting water and i know where his coming from i also had sky high levels on bloodwork but felt nothing period.

he should have also got tested for free test and dht. he said his test came sky high at 3,ooo+ at that level your free test should be high and so should your dht levels.

but when you inject a harmone and nothing happens as no sides no nothing then thats just not normal.

like i said iam not trying to offend other people iam just looking out for people so they dont go trough the same shit i have gone trough.
 
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