no effect with 5k+ testosterone count

The milk analogy fits as follows: all esters are composed of the same atoms in various lengths of the chain. So milk and skim milk have lactose in it, whole has more than skim (like enanthate has more carbons and hydrogens in its carboxylic chain). So youre argument is that less of the same chemical structure makes it usable?
 
We get it mate but. The practical advice that will yield the best results we can give him is to see a Dr, get the bloods done. And specifically see a Dr that specializes in the area, both an Endocrinologist and a Urologist to exclude other non-hormonal factors.
 
wait less of the same chemical structure? so your saying cyp is 20ml ester and if you take 10ml away from 20 ml cyp it becomes prop?

and there is no chemical alteration to milk and skim milk lol it jsut has fat removed from it and diluted with water.

just think of it as vicodin and oxyxodone both are opiates and intend to produce same or similar results but everyone reacts differently to them and both are metabolized by different enzymes. both are opiates and prop and cyp are both esters but reacts differently to different enzyme/esterase.

and screw the doctors lol they dont know jack shit. blood-total/free/dht
 
powerclean alcohol is ethanol, your not making much sense, lots and lots more research needs to be done

to the OP

the more test you take, the more estrogen your body will make from that testosterone

its been many months, which tells us your bodys hormones is out of balance, way too much test causing too much estrogen and other cascade of negative side aka your dick dont work

your good and bad cholestol will now be screwed from this unbalance and a good candidate for heart attack from steroid abuse
 
Lol "antibodies to cypionate"
You lack basic understanding of how things work, OP said his free test levels were off the charts high. Do you know what free test is ? It's testosterone in it's pure form, no ester, no SHBG, no albumin. It's testosterone in its active form. So his body DID remove the enanthate ester, and he did have active testosterone in his blood. Using a different ester would NOT make him react differently.
 
lol oh yeah why cause it does not make sense to what you read in wikipedia lmao. ever heard of people building anti bodies to certain human growth hormones?

i lack how things work. then explain my condition wikipedia expert. why do i not respond to test cyp but do to prop and deconate?

as for alcohol dont care to do that much research on it but do remember that the liver converts to ethenol.ethnol is the thing that gives you the good feeling? even on that i can only speculate. the fact just that it also feels like iam drinking water(poisonous water) i get no buzz or drunk feeling.
 
I don't know why you're reacting that way and it doesn't matter, because he's not reacting like you.
And stop obsessing about wikipedia. Anyway, hopefully one day scientists will unlock your mystery.
 
This thread isn't worth any of our time any more. Powerclean has made it clear again and again that he has NO FUCKING IDEA what he's talking about. The fact he has the weakest grasp on the English language I've seen from such an arrogant know-it-all in a while doesn't help him much either.
 
there is not much to add to this thread i agree. but to the mods please dont lock the thread,thanks.
 
yes, i don't have 50 posts, yet. keep it open.

what flyhighk and trozzle said is 100% correct %)
 
seretonin your knowledge also needs a brush up in regards to the endocrine system. please take care or risk health problems.

less is more.
 
cityturbo said:
seretonin your knowledge also needs a brush up in regards to the endocrine system. please take care or risk health problems.

less is more.
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He misses the point that its the same back bone structure of the esters. Its differemt names for a similar product a la the various combustible fuels: butane, methane, octane, etc. If one ester doesnt work, none will. Hence why I said a lactose intolerant person can't drink skim milk: it still has lactose. Esterfied aas still has an ester attached so someone with a esterase deficiency wont reap the benefits of a steroid coupled with an ester. I cant think of a simpler way to put it for someone who is so self righteous with his posting history and lack thereof and then coming in here with broscience with no scientific backing/citations/sources/studies.
 
powerclean said:
wait less of the same chemical structure? so your saying cyp is 20ml ester and if you take 10ml away from 20 ml cyp it becomes prop?

and there is no chemical alteration to milk and skim milk lol it jsut has fat removed from it and diluted with water.

just think of it as vicodin and oxyxodone both are opiates and intend to produce same or similar results but everyone reacts differently to them and both are metabolized by different enzymes. both are opiates and prop and cyp are both esters but reacts differently to different enzyme/esterase.

and screw the doctors lol they dont know jack shit. blood-total/free/dht
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If I could understand your appalling miss-use of the English language may-be I could comment further..!!

I don't believe it is possible to manipulate the ester once in solution... If you subtract 10ml Cyp from 20ml Cyp, you will end up with 10ml Cyp..!!

To complicate matters further the difference between esters, apart from the number of carbon atoms is Propionate has a straight carbon backbone, Cypionate has a cyclopentyl-ring..!!
 
of course, you have testosterone-ester

that could be the molecule testosterone with the ester propinate with a half life of 1-3 days (ie, it breaks down into testosterone in 1-3 days release)
that could be the molecule testosterone with the ester ethanate with the half life of 3-7 days etc etc.

yeah its not a different molecule, but your not allergic to testosterone, no matter how much bullshit anybody says. neither will nobody be able to process an ester. its impossible, you'd be dead already through natural selection, it just can't happen irl.

read and read alot. not forums like this for steroid knowledge...
 
cityturbo said:
of course, you have testosterone-ester

that could be the molecule testosterone with the ester propinate with a half life of 1-3 days (ie, it breaks down into testosterone in 1-3 days release)
that could be the molecule testosterone with the ester ethanate with the half life of 3-7 days etc etc.

yeah its not a different molecule, but your not allergic to testosterone, no matter how much bullshit anybody says. neither will nobody be able to process an ester. its impossible, you'd be dead already through natural selection, it just can't happen irl.

read and read alot. not forums like this for steroid knowledge...
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An appropriate suggestion might be..????
 
well i'd not suggest talk about a subject until your comfortable with the topic. thats a good start and will filter much of the nonsense here and perhaps encourage people with real knowledge to post.

i may for a bit, but see no point unless someone asks anything. like yourself, which in this case i don't have an answer because forums are not a good area for health knowledge.

its cluttered with mis information and hidden advertisements for supplements. the supplement is a multi billion dollar industry and most people buy their supplements online. and im talking legal health supplements.

so the problem is, people get greedy and money fills their pockets so they have no problems lying to people pretending this or that product will give them that result... when a little education in what food our body was designed to eat is really whats needed.

and since its against forum rules to link other competitor forums...

how about read an ebook or 10 on bodybuilding, train, eat, sleep and learn from yourself and its achievements.

proper food and sleep is 80% of the equation. infact the first 10yrs of lifting i put on 20kg natural, pure muscle. that was actually achieved in the first 5 but shape and quality of cuts were night and day by 10. now its been 15yrs and i don't look like normal people... fact. even had a back problem 12months ago and took 6 months off and friends are asking if i was back in training cause looking great, no i lost a bit of bodyfat from diet so your seeing the mature muscle thats still there even without training.
 
Genetic Freak said:
If I could understand your appalling miss-use of the English language may-be I could comment further..!!

I don't believe it is possible to manipulate the ester once in solution... If you subtract 10ml Cyp from 20ml Cyp, you will end up with 10ml Cyp..!!

To complicate matters further the difference between esters, apart from the number of carbon atoms is Propionate has a straight carbon backbone, Cypionate has a cyclopentyl-ring..!!
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lmao hahah that was my point. he said that cyp and prop is same chemical structure just less of it in prop. i cant believe that you even had to think about that taking 10ml way from 20ml would change the ester holy shit man.
 
the chemical structure you should be worried about is the testosterone

thats the same exact molecule in any testosterone ester. its the same! its just some are more slow release than others.

edit: 1/2 way baby!
 
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