Druidus
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Are there any ways to obtain cigarette-type "buzzes" using nicotine stop-smoking aids? As far as I know, they all only provide nicotine, and this does not a cigarette-buzz make. You need the MAOI's in the tobacco, too, in order to really feel it. IMO, this makes pure nicotine aids futile and unworkable. It just doesn't feel like a cigarette. Even the inhalers I've tried do not approach it. I haven't had the occasion to try the E-Cig, but I think it'd have the same pitfalls.
So the question I'm left with is this: How could you obtain a workable source of the MAOI's in nicotine (or analogous other chems, if they work similarly), and then use it to simulate the MAOI inhalation from a cigarette? I'm not sure taking MAOI's orally would work the same, so I've considered vaporizing it, but I don't have a vaporizer right now, so that's out. Besides this, AFAIK, it's hard to obtain good MAOI's legally, so I'd still be buying cigs all the time just to vape it, a waste, when I have reams of pure nicotine.
Why haven't they incorporated an MAOI into any of these nicotine-to-replace-tobacco drugs? Too dangerous? Probably not, if they incorporated it into an inhaler device. Isn't that the same risk as cigs? They could even use the same ones. Wouldn't a product that did this quickly become the premier quitting-smoking aid? It seems to me it'd be perfect and give the same feel a cig does, minus smoke inhalation. Are they afraid it might, you know, work?
I'm open to ANY good ideas. I just want a way to potentiate pure nicotine in the same way that tobacco's natural MAOI's do, without using tobacco. I hope this is workable using OTC products or legal herbs. Nicotine, on its own, is a joke; it doesn't even TOUCH a craving, for me. It just tastes bad and makes me WANT a smoke, for the MAOI's, so I'm not wasting the frickin' stuff! If there was a decent technique to accomplish the role of the MAOI's in tobacco for the pure nicotine product replacement, then I think a LOT of people would be able to quit MUCH easier. As it stands, tobacco's nicotine will always be superior to even higher doses of pure nicotine. You can't get it to work at all, and it's a sad lie that they've perpetuated, which they don't even acknowledge. They seem to promote the idea that nicotine is all you need, and act like it's a really useful tool for cessation.
Let's try to change this by developing our own means to a better end then they've given us.
Anyone know if we could use MAOI's from black pepper, or even syrian rue? Maybe they could be extracted and vaped, not sure, and too tired to really think about it or research it much, I've been awake for a LONG time. Any advice on whether you could safely utilize them orally, or if that would work to potentiate nicotine at all? I'd be worried about the dangers of tyramine and drug interactions... Other ideas?
So the question I'm left with is this: How could you obtain a workable source of the MAOI's in nicotine (or analogous other chems, if they work similarly), and then use it to simulate the MAOI inhalation from a cigarette? I'm not sure taking MAOI's orally would work the same, so I've considered vaporizing it, but I don't have a vaporizer right now, so that's out. Besides this, AFAIK, it's hard to obtain good MAOI's legally, so I'd still be buying cigs all the time just to vape it, a waste, when I have reams of pure nicotine.
Why haven't they incorporated an MAOI into any of these nicotine-to-replace-tobacco drugs? Too dangerous? Probably not, if they incorporated it into an inhaler device. Isn't that the same risk as cigs? They could even use the same ones. Wouldn't a product that did this quickly become the premier quitting-smoking aid? It seems to me it'd be perfect and give the same feel a cig does, minus smoke inhalation. Are they afraid it might, you know, work?
I'm open to ANY good ideas. I just want a way to potentiate pure nicotine in the same way that tobacco's natural MAOI's do, without using tobacco. I hope this is workable using OTC products or legal herbs. Nicotine, on its own, is a joke; it doesn't even TOUCH a craving, for me. It just tastes bad and makes me WANT a smoke, for the MAOI's, so I'm not wasting the frickin' stuff! If there was a decent technique to accomplish the role of the MAOI's in tobacco for the pure nicotine product replacement, then I think a LOT of people would be able to quit MUCH easier. As it stands, tobacco's nicotine will always be superior to even higher doses of pure nicotine. You can't get it to work at all, and it's a sad lie that they've perpetuated, which they don't even acknowledge. They seem to promote the idea that nicotine is all you need, and act like it's a really useful tool for cessation.
Let's try to change this by developing our own means to a better end then they've given us.
Anyone know if we could use MAOI's from black pepper, or even syrian rue? Maybe they could be extracted and vaped, not sure, and too tired to really think about it or research it much, I've been awake for a LONG time. Any advice on whether you could safely utilize them orally, or if that would work to potentiate nicotine at all? I'd be worried about the dangers of tyramine and drug interactions... Other ideas?