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NEWS: smh.com.au- April 14, 2008 - 3:10PM"Plan for painkillers to be on script only"

oh trust the west australian to bring a story to the table as it breaks.

yeah i knew there had been debate about OTC codeine going prescription, its just this is the first time i'd heard about when we'll hear the governments decision on it - this august.

i found the article you are talking about and it says "the committe will make its mind up this june".
 
Heres a story for everyone, one day I was on a long trip, I had woken up with a mildish headache. Shrugged it off and went away, half way through the headache evolves into my first ever migraine. Can't go to the doctor, don't have money or my medicare card, can't really do much since I am rather incapacitated and in a spot of bother. Pop-into a chemist and grab some nurofen plus. 30 minutes later all is well enough for me to go home and then to the doctor.

Codeine for me is the only painkiller that does anything at all. For all I know paracetamol is just a placebo.

I don't use painkillers much, if ever, I usually just shrug headaches off rather than take anything, but when I've got a migraine or some other serious pain, I like the fact that I don't need to make a doctors appointment and take up the doctors time and medicare money just to get something that works.
 
The TGA met in June but haven't published a decision yet. It is due anyday now (usually 3 weeks after the meeting)

Keep an eye on the 'Record of Reasons'

http://tga.gov.au/ndpsc/records.htm

I'm tipping little or no change will be recommended.
 
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Any seasoned pharmacy shopper knows by now that there are cheaper, easier and better ways to get your daily codeine hit (and if they don't know they aren't doing their job very well). I would guess that most people having problems with Nurofen Plus aren't true drug abusers in the traditional sense, but really aren't even aware of the damage they are doing. This is compounded by the S2 status of Nurofen Plus in NSW and possibly other states.

Anyway, I seriously doubt that anything will come of it. The notion that they will make it S8 is just laughable when Benzos are still S4 and the load on GPs is huge.

My guess is that at most there will be a change in the legislation regarding pack sizes, possibly leaving 24s at S2 and making the larger packs S3. Although to be honest I thought I heard somewhere already that no changes were being made...
 
Mussoman_Beast said:
Any seasoned pharmacy shopper knows by now that there are cheaper, easier and better ways to get your daily codeine hit (and if they don't know they aren't doing their job very well).

It isn't just to do with Nurofen plus, but in regards to combination codeine paracetamol/ibuprofen medicines in general.
 
Mussoman_Beast said:
My guess is that at most there will be a change in the legislation regarding pack sizes, possibly leaving 24s at S2 and making the larger packs S3. Although to be honest I thought I heard somewhere already that no changes were being made...

That's what the situation is now. 24's S2, 48's, 72's ,96's etc S3. If something were to change, it would be the s3's becoming S4's. That's what the news story is about.
 
There are different regulations in different states...In NSW they are all S2, ACT is slightly more restrictive, and I don't know about any of the other states.
 
Codeine-laden painkillers stay on sale
By Tamara McLean
August 06, 2008 02:06pm

HEAVY-duty painkillers containing codeine will remain available over the counter but pack sizes could be reduced to stop drug abuse, a government committee has ruled.


Doctors and pharmacists have welcomed a decision not to reclassify codeine combination medicines such as Nurofen Plus as prescription-only.

The drug class was under investigation due to mounting claims of serious medical complications among addicted Australians, with one online forum suggesting 7000 people were hooked.

A report released last month linked high use to serious side-effects, like perforated stomach ulcers and renal failure, and death.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration committee leading the investigation said today the schedule will not change, but it will consider reducing the largest pack sizes down from the 72-tablet packets currently on sale in pharmacies.

Packs could be cut down to just four days' therapy to "restrict supply to genuine cases of treatment of short-term pain," the national drugs and poisons schedule committee stated in the record of reasons from its June meeting.

The change, to be discussed at the October meeting, was necessary because "there was evidence that abuse/misuse was occurring," it said.

The committee has also agreed to form a working party to investigate availability of all over-the-counter codeine combination drugs.

John Gullotta from the Australian Medical Association said doctors welcomed the decision but also supported a reduction in pack sizes.

"The adverse side-effects and problems happen over a long period of time, not usually in short treatment bursts, so limiting pack sizes would be the way to go," Dr Gullotta said.

"And we look forward to having the issue investigated further to understand the situation more thoroughly."

Brian Grogan from the Pharmaceutical Society of Australia (PSA) said pharmacists also supported the decision to keep the products widely available.

Pharmacists have argued that while there were some pockets of possible misuse, the problem was not widespread and the number serious medical complications was limited.

"The PSA is not aware of any published evidence of widespread misuse apart from newspaper articles based on anecdotal reports," Mr Grogan said.

Nurofen Plus manufacturer Reckitt Benckiser said there was no evidence the use of non-prescription medicines containing low doses of codeine led to abuse if taken for a short time and according to the directions on the pack.

News.com.au
 
The online forum referenced in the article also suddenly announced yesterday that they where shutting the forum down.

Sounds like a case of taking their bat and ball and going home ;)
 
I have just finished reading the TGA's record of reasons behind their discussion of OTC pain medication.

TGA Record of Reason June 2008

The relevant pages are those from pp17-43 and it goes into a lot more detail on the subject than I was expecting.

Of particular interest where the pages where they discussed CWE. Funny part was when they mentioned in the discussion notes that they had developed the testing of CWE after reviewing discussions on a particular website ;)
 
Very interesting posts eggman. I would love to know the reasons why the Nurofen Plus Support forum is shutting down, regardless of where we stand on CWE I thought it was an important resource to have.
 
eggman said:
The online forum referenced in the article also suddenly announced yesterday that they where shutting the forum down.

Sounds like a case of taking their bat and ball and going home ;)


:)

I decided to close the discussion forum down In December but the site will stay up. The decision had nothing to do with the TGA as we didn't make any submission and do not support making codeine prescription only.

I am closing down because after five years I am just tired of answering emails from addicts. Its a lot of work and to be candid, I'm sick of it. :!
 
Maxy said:
:)

I decided to close the discussion forum down In December but the site will stay up. The decision had nothing to do with the TGA as we didn't make any submission and do not support making codeine prescription only.

I am closing down because after five years I am just tired of answering emails from addicts. Its a lot of work and to be candid, I'm sick of it. :!

Sorry I should add that I am thinking of replacing the MC2 site with a more accessible one, but the new site will be static information and links to help, rather than a discussion forum. When I started drug and alcohol services wouldnt even take on codeine addicts and this has thankfully changed for the better.

Having read the TGA Record of Reasons, they focused a lot on CWE which should be of interest your members.
 
I think the forum you guys set up was a very valuable resource and having had a good look over it, there appears to be many who have benefited. My personal opinion is that you and those who have worked with you should be congratulated for having the compassion in the first place and then the desire to keep it going. You should feel proud Maxy.

All in all I guess your choice to create a static site is a logical one, especialy once you take into account that you are wearing a lot of the stress on your shoulders. I imagine it could get stressful for you.

Is there any scope though too allow someone else to take the baton and run with it or too perhaps integrate a 'vBulletin-ish' forum so that addicts can openly discuss some of the points raised?
 
Thanks Eggman... I set it up after my best friend came to me for help (I am an RN) and after watching her go cold turkey from a daily habit of 1.8 g . I just felt that there was probably a lot of peope in the same position and there was no other codeine site online in those days.. 7,642 addicts later - it seems I was right.

I have tried handing it over before but it never lasts and I end up doing it all. It's the nature of the business that addicts tend to get help and not come back, so it takes non-addicts to keep it going.

In terms of an unmoderated board... I struggle with this because people post information that is simply not true (as you would understand) and it has the potential to cause harm. There are a lot of myths around detox that stop people getting clean. Also, I think having the forum in some ways means that people don't go on to develop personal networks of support they should.

I think I will just point people to forums like addictionrecoveryguide.com and codeinefree.me.uk and see how it goes.
 
Nurofen Plus possibly being banned Oct 18th

Someone I know at work is on the TGA advisory board.
Apparently the next meeting is on Oct 18th. They are discussing putting a ban on Nurofen Plus sizes 24 and up (ie only allowing 12 packs of Nurofen Plus to stay S2).
So quite possible, we only have one more week of easy access Nurofen Plus.

[EDIT: Thread merged (did you guys see this thread? most of the background to how this came about is here. :)) hoptis]
 
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oh your bloody joking i cant believe this shit that they have to ban anything that is remotely "fun" not even fun just helps out when your in pain cuz the docs are too scared to give out harder pain killers its so rediculous why even bother putting shit on the market then take it off... but they wont ban alcohol oh no that shit is worse than most street drugs and Im allowed to buy that anyone can buy that ...gggggrrrrrr that makes me so angry
 
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