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Newcomers - Cold Water Extraction: Method Do's & Don'ts

THECATINTHEHAT said:
If you need help doing a CWE then there is no hope for you.
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Plenty of people need help doing a CWE - it's not like they teach basic codeine extraction technique at school or owt is it. This thread saves lives - we know this for the sheer quantity of people who take paracetamol and/or ibuprofen based pills at "recreational doses" without having any inkling of there being a safer way to do so. Given BL's nominal status as a HR site this is a rather salient fact.

alphareign said:
Why not increase liver protection with milk thistle and N Acetyl Cysteine?
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Why not indeed. That wouldn't come under CWE but taking something like milk thistle is probably a pretty good idea for anybody who gives their liver a bit of abuse on a regular basis.
 
What and you think I need reminding. lol

I'm probably more critical of the direction this forum has taken than anyone else. Or rather, one of the few people who seems to give a fuck. Frankly I'm beyond caring though, this section is dead to me when it comes to HR. It's a social forum for junkies nothing more.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
What and you think I need reminding.
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What? And you think that all comments relating to things other people say are directed purely at them and not the far, far greater number of people who never comment but read all the same?!? 8o

As for your other bit, this forum is what you - what all of us - make it. If you wish to cast blame then take equal amounts yourself cos it merely reflects what we are.

(and i happen to utterly disagree with you but am pretty sure i would say the same were i still on the gear - life filtered through poppy lenses is poppified)
 
Shambles said:
As for your other bit, this forum is what you - what all of us - make it. If you wish to cast blame then take equal amounts yourself cos it merely reflects what we are.
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Like I said, this section is dead to me in terms of serious discussion. Any I might want to get involved in I'll choose to do it somewhere else personally.

The notion that the forum is purely a reflection of it's inhabitants is nonsense as well, you could perhaps make that claim if it was unmoderated. Chuck all the content through a set of rules and certain people's interperatation of them and that all changes.

Why would you have agreed with me if you were still using?
 
I do apologise if this has already been covered but I can't be arsed to read the entire thread but one aspect of CWEs that I never understood (and I've done lots of them to supplement my codeine script once upon a time) is the obsession with grinding the pills. If you just drop them in water and stir they will completely disintegrate in minutes.

My personal preference was to do that (drop them in room temp water) then filter that through coffee paper (dampened first to avoid codeine liquid spreading upwards) then take the filtered solution and add a couple of ice cubes. Then re-filter the now ice cold solution in the same way as above and what's left should be free of APAP - within the boundries of APAP's solubility in ice cold water that is.

The number one thing I think that people do wrong is that they are too impatient.

Another excellent tip is to pour a (very small) quantity of ice water into the residue left on the filter paper and let that run through and into the glass to collect any codeine left in the residue.

One obvious point is to make sure the resultant liquid is as small a volume as feasibly possible as no matter how cold it still contains some APAP...I mean don't go chugging a pint full.

While cold water extractions are perfectly safe if done properly they can be very harmful if done improperly. so please be careful.

One last point re. deliberate APAP (paracetamol) - overdoses. I've seen more of these than I can count and contrary to popular belief APAP overdose is seldom fatal. All that (usually) happens is that they cause sever liver damage if not treated with activated charcoal and antidote. The sad thing is that the person who took them still has the original problems that led them to do it in the first place AND a fucked liver on top. More often than not APAP overdoses are a cry for help and not a genuine suicide attempt since they are far more effective ways to end life. When we tell someone that taking paracetamol is the worst thing they could have done since all they have done is cause themselves permanent medical problems it makes me feel like banging my head against a wall.....Very sad.
 
These Megathreads look cute, but they really don't do much to consolidate clear useful information. After 350 posts (in which the method of CWE has been thoroughly covered) I still see kids randomly popping in with things like "can SWIM just open up each capsule and mix? SWIM guesses that its just a powder in the capsuals?" that obviously haven't read any of the previous 14 pages, and still then the whole thing turns into a heated/drunk discussion on whether opioids breed negativity. It's a mess, or to borrow THECAT's words, a social forum for junkies nothing more.
 
I asked that question about caps, cos i got home and realized i had plastic caps when for the last 2 years i had used standard tabs, turns out the plastic caps shit on the tabs anyway so there you go you can get the cleanest looking and fastest extractions ever just like an Asprin and codeine extraction, due to the fact there is no binders.

Want useful HR? dont touch opiates unless you want a parasite attached to your brain.
 
Lurching you insensitive clod!! :) (Sorry, I couldn't resist that mate....I do apologise yet again for the other day :))

Anyway I see what you mean about the thread descending into an argument which was why I tried to steer the thread back onto some useful HR reduction about CWEs.

I'd love to see some more discussion on the topic in hand e.g. where people have gone wrong or in anyone has any stories about doing themselves any damage etc. HR really is the name of the game. Especially with something like a CWE which if done improperly could be really dangerous

Dark Side said:
due to the fact there is no binders.
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That's not really true mate. The word binders is really the wrong word...inert fillers is what the "extra stuff" other than the active ingredient really is. Only practical difference is that tablets are put through a tablet press to give them the form of a tablet where as capsules are just filled with the powder. There are some slight differences in the make up of the filler between a capsule and a tablet but very little....the same rules and processes still apply.
 
not that i do cwes anymore, but boots aspirin with codeine (yellow box, 8/200 cod/adpirin, 32 tabs per box) are THEonly product worth using. buy a bottle of water from the fridge and you can have the soft pills dissolved in 2 mins. tthey come in a box and a watertight tub so no fucking about with blister packs too. try cwe'ers! also they filter soooooo fast.
 
Dark Side said:
I asked that question about caps, cos i got home and realized i had plastic caps when for the last 2 years i had used standard tabs, turns out the plastic caps shit on the tabs anyway so there you go you can get the cleanest looking and fastest extractions ever just like an Asprin and codeine extraction, due to the fact there is no binders.
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Oh yeah, you too! =D (meant this Tonux person)
 
englandgz74 said:
Lurching you insensitive clod!! :) (Sorry, I couldn't resist that mate....I do apologise yet again for the other day :))

Anyway I see what you mean about the thread descending into an argument which was why I tried to steer the thread back onto some useful HR reduction about CWEs.

I'd love to see some more discussion on the topic in hand e.g. where people have gone wrong or in anyone has any stories about doing themselves any damage etc. HR really is the name of the game. Especially with something like a CWE which if done improperly could be really dangerous



That's not really true mate. The word binders is really the wrong word...inert fillers is what the "extra stuff" other than the active ingredient really is. Only practical difference is that tablets are put through a tablet press to give them the form of a tablet where as capsules are just filled with the powder. There are some slight differences in the make up of the filler between a capsule and a tablet but very little....the same rules and processes still apply.
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Mate i been doing this for ages, If i was to take 80 ml of cold water it would take 2 hours for the pills to dissolve if they are zap 30/500. If i use warm water its 10 minutes . it also takes longer to filter 16 of these zaps then it does 32 OTC strength 8/500.

Capsules piss through the filter in 5-8 mins as opposed to over an hour. Big difference and its purely down the lack of titanium dioxide that smooth coating on the pills.


Also with the caps there is no cloudiness its like a glass of water, Im extracting Boots OTC right now i know it will piss through the filter quick as the pills do not have a smooth coating. Best example of said Coating is Paramol you will never get a transparent extraction because of the oxide.


Anyway you're right crushing pills is a waste of time, and after 2.5 years of abuse there are no Liver or abdominal pains i suffer from, but i hardly ever drink booze.
 
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