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Newcomers - Cold Water Extraction: Method Do's & Don'ts

only put in the freezer for a sec now their a little cloudy only a bit and there's lots of gunk on the filter, cool?
 
^ I'd say "yay" but sometimes filter a second time if it looks more cloudy than I like the smell of. Kinda down to your own judgement on that really though...

Interesting... only just realised my technique is just slightly different. I'm still fairly new to CWE so any advice on whether or not I should adapt to survive would be sweetness itself :)

Personally I tend to crush X-pills (whack 'em with a hefty knife handle whilst still inna strip then dump powder into a folded shinypaper leaflet/advert thingy, more knife handle-whackery till uberfine powder is formed (no more than a few thumpers required :)) then pour powder into at a T-Shirt (at least four layers thickness of folded cotton) and stuck into a halved litre placcy drinks bottle. Then pour ~300ml of ice-cold water through that powder in stages and sup the crystal-clear Goodness - I even like the taste, pussies :p;)

Question after all that bilge is: is the soaky-powder inna fridge/freezer bit necessary or is just pouring water through said powder gradually as fine as it seems?
 
mix powder into water then pour through filter
 
Hokey-dokey-dooky-davey. Will do :)

Any particular reason why it's preferable to pre-mix the powder wiv water first?
 
dissolves the codeine more efficiently I imagine, never heard a CWE tek that didn't do so
 
couldn't wait =D it was barely cloudy and its worked a treat bit itchy but not feeling sick at all and got cetirizine :)

few blues booze and hash as well kicking back with Daria <3
 
i dont know how people can do a cwe often and not like the taste, i assumed it was almost a pavlovian inevitability. i always just mix the solution with squash though, robinsons peach is the shit.
 
Nice linky, DS. I am now waiting for the first reports of someone using the vaginal suppository method mentioned in that article =D

I keed, I keed. Pretty sure all those salts and acids and stuff that wouldn't be too healthy for the flora and fauna of a well-maintained ladygarden, Ladygardeners of BL. I won't be poking fizzypills up me bum myself either. Although straight codeine pills work far better plugged than many seem to think, in my bumdrug experience anyway.
 
@ Tekken -- those were the same sort of filters I used. I just cut out the biggest circle I could get (11.5cm.), folded this into quarters, opened it into a cone (3 layers one side, 1 layer other side -- if in doubt, search online for how to fold filter paper) and stood it in a small funnel.
 
Shambles said:
Personally I tend to crush X-pills (whack 'em with a hefty knife handle whilst still inna strip
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This, except with a hammer. You're left with a strip of powder to be pushed out.

Also, I'd imagine the more water you use, the more chance you have of not losing much codeine, as it's more diluted. That makes sense to me.
 
The more water you use, the more paracetamol you will bring through. Codeine is very soluble anyway; paracetamol isn't anything like as soluble. That's the difference you are relying on to separate the two.
 
I tend to use a fair bit of water due to the fact it tends to whizz through the filter so quickly it doesn't seem feasible that it'd bring all the codeine with it otherwise. At least with the method I have used thus far (pouring water through the powder in the filter rather than combining them first). As long as the water is cold enough to stop any significant amount of paracetamol being dissolved I'm not sure I see an issue with how much water is used other than having less to drink if you object to the taste really.

Evad: I had a go using the recommended method - mixing water and powder before filtering. Didn't seem to make any difference really. Other than making it a bit more fiddly to get it all into the filter cos it tended to stick to the sides of the pot I mixed 'em in so needed to swill it out a coupla times to get it all in. To be honest, it actually tasted like more paracetamol ended up in the end product to me. Quite possibly just need to work on me technique but unless there is a clear reason to use that method over what I was doing before I'm tempted to stick with what I know, to be honest. Is the recommended technique recommended for safety, practicality, convenience or some other reason?
 
if more paracetamol got through it's likely that more codeine got through also and your filter just isn't good enough.
 
Hmm... was also my first attempt using kitchen roll. Maybe it was shitty roll? Dunno what brand it was cos I just got a few sheets from somebody's kitchen. Was pretty thick quilted stuff though and used three sheets, I think. Maybe need to use more sheets or even invest in some coffee filters next week.

Also, didn't feel like any more codeine than usual got through. Probably just down to tolerance but I felt very little from a dose that'd usually have me lunging for the antihistamines :\
 
it's hard to understand how you would have got less codeine and more paracetamol, maybe your original method is fine for the 30/500s? It just really wouldn't work when using 64 8/500s which is my reference for the procedure.
 
Yeah, it makes no sense that I could actually have ended up with less codeine and more paracetamol. I'm pretty sure that must be purely a tolerance issue but didn't like being able to taste the paracetamol even though the solution didn't look cloudy. Water was ice-cold from the freezer too so I really don't know quite what happened. Can't have been too much paracetamol cos it was still a clear solution but didn't taste right at all to me. Could well be all down to just not having done it this way before and making some schoolboy errors somewhere along the line.

I'm still wondering why that technique is the recommended one though. Seems to be more a matter of preference than safety or efficacy on the surface of it but if it really is safer and/or more effective then obviously it makes sense for me to get some more practice in.

Having said that, I can see where you're coming from regarding 8/500s. Would be a hell of a lotta powder and probably rather unwieldy to use the method I've been using. That does make sense to me.
 
Lordy, the levels to which we're reduced. Home baking your msts to get a nice immediate morphine hit I can understand, but turning your kitchen into a paracetemol dump site to get your dope-hungry paws on a lil codeine phosphate? Come on.

Save your coffee filters for making a decent cup of coffee. Head for your GP and demand the medication you must need or else you wouldn't engage in such extraordinary endeavours. If he puts you out, throw your paracetemol grinds in his face. Tell the prison doctor on arrival you've an awful headache.
 
Hehe. Not as easy as that for all sadly, Charlie ;)

I am hoping to get my treatment transferred to a specialist pain clinic though which seems a far better option for me. I do <3 me opi's but also actually need them for a chronic pain condition and codeine (even with the tramadol kicker) doesn't even come close to cutting it :\

I am somewhat surprised at how hard it is to get a straight codeine script (I get mostly straight codeine pills topped up with a box of co-cosand a fuckload of tramadol each month) but unless you have a legit reason for needing analgesics I can't see many docs prescribing any opiates just to help folks' day pass in itchylazy comfort ;)

PS: One more quick CWE question - would I be right in thinking that it's best for the solution to be filtered faster rather than slower? Seems to make sense to me and it definitely goes through kitchen roll far quicker than it does cotton.
 
So whats the verdict, cwe on straight codeine or on dhc?

I mean,which has the more euphoric high? i mean all this is subjective to the individual but hey ho thought id ask
 
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