Bupe *New Suboxone film * official thread*

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey allinwithnothing,

Our own Other Drugs forum mod Captain.Acetaminophen shoots his subs and has for quite a while now with no ill side effects that I'm aware of. If you approach it safely with fresh needles, micron filtering, and proper injection technique you can minimize the risk. Obviously it's not ideal and you do take a chance every time you inject as well as the development of chronic issues but it is a viable means of administration and can work for some people.

Some reasons people choose to shoot their subs are dwindling supply (i.e. better bioavailability) and addiction to the shooting routine. You won't ever really get a rush from it and I don't know if I've ever heard of taste as a complaint before but if it gives you hope at kicking your habit then it can't be all bad right

This is the exact reason why I began IVing buprenorphine. I got tired of vomiting before the tablet had dissolved.

Plus, I really cannot stand vomiting. It's an unpleasant experience and ruins how I feel. Furthermore, vomiting frequently is not good for various organs in your body, such as the enamel of your teeth.

However, have you considered taking a lower dosage? If this doesn't help, or you don't "feel" it until you're already vomiting, I would consider at least trying the plugging or snorting ROA to see if you also vomit with these ROA's.

No seriously I can't take the taste. I throw up everytime I take it. It's the saliva that produces when I take the sub. It pools in the bottom of my mouth and Im either forced to swallow it or spit it out. either way I'm loosing almost all of the med. The saliva forms so fast that the sub has no time to absorb into my mouth. therefore I'm not getting any relief from the med.
I have heard plenty of people say that they don't like the taste. I've heard plenty of ppl say that they experience the same results. So I know it's not just me and my head. It's a problem with the med. Maybe if it wasn't some acidic lemon lime flavor mixed with a asprin taste it would be better. I think that cherry or strawberry, maybe even chocolate would probably be a much better substitute for ppl like me.

update. i plugged 2 mg's last night. Got a slight buzz off the dose I took. Im a little leary of taking it this way since I havn't pooped in 2 days and I'm worried that it may make it worse. Guess I'll just continue to take it the way I am now.

There are lots of ways to combat constipation while on buprenorphine, or other opiates.

Have you started searching for some of the tips we have suggested over the years?

I am glad that plugging worked for you.

PS you don't need to mention "SWIM" on here. You can refer to yourself by your user name, or "Me" or "I".

 

[allinwithnothing]

Yeah I've tried other ROA's. I've sniffed the pills but not the strips. Maybe I'll try to sniff a strip mixed up in some water over the next few days. I'm worried that I'll get the same result I did with the pill though. Which is a nasty drip down the back of my throat, that lasts way longer then SL. I've thrown up way harder after sniffing, then I have taking it SL.
Even though I hate the drip from sniffing, I still like the way it effects me when I take it that way. Meaning that I get more relief from it when I sniff it, (I haven't gotten high off Subs in over 9 months, ever since my dope habit went from 3 bags a day to 12). There has been plenty of times that I was in some considerable WD , I sniffed 1 mg, and , and I got a lot of relief from that ROA. The key, trick that I found to work the best was to keep sucking back the shit up your nose and not allowing it to drip, laying down and staying really still also helped with that ROA. Seriously though I don't have a half hour to lay around everyday and wait for suboxone to absorb through my nose.
I do have a few questions for those that inject subs, If any of you would like to answer them or one of them I'd appreciate it.
1. Since this is a direct administration of the drug, are the WD's from this going to be worse then lets say someone who was taking 8 mg's a day SL.
( my dosage while taking it SL, was about 8mg's every 6 hrs, just to feel semi normal, Now I'm doing 1-2mg shots and I feel fine for 12-18 hrs.). It simply amazes me.
2. For those of you that have been injecting for a while, have any of you had any health problems with the ROA. Any precaution I can take to make this as safe as possible would be greatly appreciated. Have any of you had any problems with injection sites, abcesses, clogged veins, veins that just hurt a little bit after a while. pains in your chest, any liver problems, darker urine,??????? I need to know what to look for incase this is doing some damage to my body. I know the typical things to look for like pussing geysers coming out of my arm, but what are some of the little things you notice.
3. How much can someone actually shoot? I've heard that you shouldn't go over 2mg's and I'm fine with that. But lets be honest here, there's this voice in the back of my head that says " take a 8mg shot and lets see if you get a rush and high off it". I can't find anything on the web about injection doses.
This is all I can think of right now. I like how this thread and the people in it are not jumping all over me, with accusations judgements, and posts about how bad this is for me. Obviously sticking a needle in my arm with anthing in it is bad for me. I'm a junky, I'm not stupid. and obviously I'm not feeling any PWD from this ROA, so this ROA is a possibility for me. So thanks to those of you who are replying with their experience and not all that other crap. I'll continue to check back here and see what you guys have to say.
peace.

oh yeah one more ? I've read somewhere that 91% alcohol can be thrown into the prepping of the shot, has anyone tried or know what thats all about. I have used 91% alch. for opanas and other pills as an extraction method, I wonder if it's the same with sub. Will the alcohol extract the bupe and seperate it from the naltrexone, or is it just a waste of time and subs.

 

[ScaredInfectionsH]

I have been prescribed to Suboxone 12mg sublingually 3 times per day. This was to replace my Methadone prescription of 60 mg 2 10mg tabs 3 times per day. This is all to get me off of banging H which put me into hospital bc I got leukemia and with low white cell count I got really bad infections. I really do not like Suboxone compared to Methadone. I know that everyone is different, but with me Methadone seemed like a wonder drug. When I needed energy from it, I got energy, when I was tired, it would help me sleep. Also, Methadone made it so I did not think about getting hi as much because I did not get depressed or I am sure there is a better scientific explanation. Now that I am on Suboxone I feel like a lifeless lethargic depressed withdrawaling individual. I think about bangin H all the time, except for the fact that I know that Suboxone will not let me enjoy that activity. Again, I know everyone is different, but this is my story. Btw, the taste of Suboxone is not that bad especially if one is use to sniffing any significant amount of oxy.

 

[C_mc1]

I just got 5 of the 8mg films. If I want to break these into smaller doses to do a quick taper how long does it take for them to start degrating?

For the first few days I plan on takin 4mg then 2mg for awhile then 1mg ect ect. So towards the end of my taper the package will have been opened for awhile before I am using the last of that film.

I am putting remaining doses back in the original packaging and placing it in a ziplock bag. Will this be sufficient?

 

[happydaze21]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this but because the strips dissolve so fast and the bupe is absorbed
more rapidly I think they may be more addictive then the pills which dissolve slowly? Am I the only one who
thinks so?

 

[faeriegurrl]

Thanks

Thanks for the replies. I'm not sure why I'd react to the strips when I didn't react to the tabs, but I understand that there are diff fillers/binders.

I have used cotton in the past to filter morphine or dilauded, but i've never filtered the tabs. yes, i know it's not good for me. however, i'm hoping to be off everything within the next week.

at this point, i'm just terrified of the withdrawal. maybe that makes me a candy a$$ but I hate going through it and it's always real bad. the last one lasted 7 days. I missed a few days of work b/c i had to keep changing shirts. yuck. but i know i will get through it.

i was thinking about saving one tab and taking very very small doses every time i just can't stand the withdrawal anymore. do that until the one tab is gone.

Has anyone had experience with coming off Sub? Did you try what I'm thinking of trying? I just want to get off it without being completely miserable b/c I can't miss work and, like I said before, my husband doesn't know i'm on it so i can't be dog sick.

Thanks guys!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^i just cold turkeyed it and was 100% done w/d's in a week, and they weren't too bad but that is me..
you might not get well as fast as i did, i have a bunch of other meds that i have to take (thanks bipolar) so they might have helped a lot.
I also w/d off benzos a month after being off opiates and the benzo w/d's sucked but not as bad as i thought they would be.. may be weird, but the benzo w/d felt more like opiate w/d than the suboxone w/d did. very hard to describe differences.. that is why i never answer peoples questions about what benzo w/d will feel like because all i would say is it feels like opiate w/d's lol.

EDIT: But for you, if you can't be seen in w/d i'm not too good at helping with that (maybe tell your husband you have the flu? and CT it and be better from the "flu" in a week?), because i tell everyone around me when i am going to be w/ding so they don't think somethings up and that way they know i am completely honest with them about my drug use (even though it was RX'd) but it makes them think i am honest about more than just drug use also. get what i am saying?
So im sorry i can't be of more help, but the method of CT is the fastest way to w/d off anything. But also the most brutal. Good luck.

BTW i came of the bupe at the end of Jan. so was better in Feb. if i remember right, and i just finished benzo w/d's maybe a week ago (time lines are all screwed up in my head from the benzo w/d, i dont even remember what day it is unless i look on my computer). My benzo taper was over a year long. It ended a month (or two??) ago so it took me about a month to w/d off benzo's which i think is good for the amount i was using and how long i was using.
But for bupe i was on it for 4 years: 2years @ 16mg/day, 2years @ 1-2mg/day and at almost exactly at 4 years i CT'd.

/rant

 

[Neeoon23]

I just got the suboxone film and I'm not sure if I did it right.. I kept it under my tongue but I can't not swallow so I think I pretty much swallowed all of the meds instead of letting it absorb into my blood vessels in my mouth. So is it gonna be ineffective?

 

[Larson0]

i imagine it got in. it sticks to my tongue so much that its almost impossible to swallow it. i try to get a lot of spit down there to wet it and sometimes i think it wont work because some came loose but it usually dissolves and works fine.
the strips i've been getting from the pharmacy are always cracked and broken. makes it a real pain in the ass to get even mg when i cut them.

 

[ScaredInfectionsH]

I shot the strips a couple of times, it was a different opiate experience for me, almost like a subtle weed hi. Way more effective than sublingually, I was energetic and did not get a headache. I like shooting the strips to try and avoid the naloxone. I believe that I am doing so bc I shot about 1/4 g of H approx. 10 hours after my last shot of Suboxone and got a decent nod. From the stories I have read on this site, one is suppose to wait around 36 hours after taking Suboxone before taking any other opiate if they want a satisfactory result. I am suprised at how many people despise the taste of Suboxone. I imagine that a fair number of people who get their hands on Suboxone are probably familiar with sniffing oxy's at some point, which is a much worse drain than a dissolving 'cough syrup' in your mouth, imo. Also, the stories of Suboxone being bad for veins seem to be true, I missed the smallest fraction of my dose and it left a nasty mark worse than the ones from my rookie days of bangn. I hope my experience can give someone insight into their studies of Suboxone.

Disclaimer: Of course everyone is different and reacts differently to drugs and I never recommend my lifestyle or choices to anyone, this is just another story from another ADDICT.

 

[kmatrixg]

I'm honestly very surprised nobody has complained about the effects of the films underneath the tongue during prolonged use. I've had the films since they were introduced and the under part of my tongue is utterly torn apart. Cuts, sores, etc. that stay because of the film suboxone. It's disgusting and it hurts like hell - I can't even stick my tongue out anymore! Only here

 

[joepep]

awesome

after reading all 12 pages. I was ready to jump right in and go ahead some of my suboxone film.....There have been some real horror stories as well as many highly anticipated results. I took one of my 8mg films, cut it in half folded that cut again and one more fold, giving me 8 1mg squares, I filled my 1ml insulin syringe about 3/4 of the way(it's so old theres no #'s on it) threw 1 square into the spoon and shot the water on it. Now it did not immediately dissolve....but with a little manipulation with the plunger I had a relatively clear solution. Now i have been an IV drug user for many years and the only filter I ever use is a bit off my marlboro filter. The solution totally came back and was a little cloudy. I have an awesome vien I use only for special occasions.(as my arms are a mess from an 8 ball of meth over the last 7 hrs or so) Inserted pin...got immediate return...and smooth as silk. The rush was equivalent to a roxy 30. To think I have been wasting this expensive medicine by putting 8mg at a time under my tongue. I want to thank all you BLers out there for sharing your experience and advice.....Joe

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I shot the strips a couple of times, it was a different opiate experience for me, almost like a subtle weed hi. Way more effective than sublingually, I was energetic and did not get a headache. I like shooting the strips to try and avoid the naloxone. I believe that I am doing so bc I shot about 1/4 g of H approx. 10 hours after my last shot of Suboxone and got a decent nod. From the stories I have read on this site, one is suppose to wait around 36 hours after taking Suboxone before taking any other opiate if they want a satisfactory result. I am suprised at how many people despise the taste of Suboxone. I imagine that a fair number of people who get their hands on Suboxone are probably familiar with sniffing oxy's at some point, which is a much worse drain than a dissolving 'cough syrup' in your mouth, imo. Also, the stories of Suboxone being bad for veins seem to be true, I missed the smallest fraction of my dose and it left a nasty mark worse than the ones from my rookie days of bangn. I hope my experience can give someone insight into their studies of Suboxone.

Disclaimer: Of course everyone is different and reacts differently to drugs and I never recommend my lifestyle or choices to anyone, this is just another story from another ADDICT.

Suboxone is bad for your veins if you do not micron filter, see the last link in my signature.

With micron filtering, it's relatively safe and not that bad on your veins.

after reading all 12 pages. I was ready to jump right in and go ahead some of my suboxone film.....There have been some real horror stories as well as many highly anticipated results. I took one of my 8mg films, cut it in half folded that cut again and one more fold, giving me 8 1mg squares, I filled my 1ml insulin syringe about 3/4 of the way(it's so old theres no #'s on it) threw 1 square into the spoon and shot the water on it. Now it did not immediately dissolve....but with a little manipulation with the plunger I had a relatively clear solution. Now i have been an IV drug user for many years and the only filter I ever use is a bit off my marlboro filter. The solution totally came back and was a little cloudy. I have an awesome vien I use only for special occasions.(as my arms are a mess from an 8 ball of meth over the last 7 hrs or so) Inserted pin...got immediate return...and smooth as silk. The rush was equivalent to a roxy 30. To think I have been wasting this expensive medicine by putting 8mg at a time under my tongue. I want to thank all you BLers out there for sharing your experience and advice.....Joe

Please don't re-use needles, this is going to be horrible for your veins.

And as always, you want to micron filter these.

 

[kanyeknievel]

I would think this is basically the same since your gonna sublingually take the film, same wit the pill. But my question is... how the hell do you guys all take it sublingually? I end up taking like only 2mg or so sublingually in the morning and i crush it up and spread it around under my tongue, cheeks, etc. for my surface area for it to absorb through.. and every single time my mouth just gets like half full with saliva so then I have to keep that in there for like 10 minutes swishing it around looking like an idiot just because there is probably suboxone in the saliva that needs to be absorbed still and if i swallow it, i will lose a lot of it....
How do you all deal with this with minimum amounts of saliva

 

[ro0ga]

^ The key is to place it under your tongue and ONLY under your tongue. It will not absorb from the side of your cheeks or gums, the only point of absorption is from the large veins underneath your tongue. Spreading it around your mouth will probably cause you to have larger amounts of saliva that will dilute the drug and cause less than optimal absorption. The other key is once it's under your tongue, do not move your tongue or your mouth at all. Ignore the saliva that builds up, and just keep your mouth closed and tongue still...don't swish the spit around (not until you're ready to swallow). Doing this should yield better results.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ The key is to place it under your tongue and ONLY under your tongue. It will not absorb from the side of your cheeks or gums, the only point of absorption is from the large veins underneath your tongue. Spreading it around your mouth will probably cause you to have larger amounts of saliva that will dilute the drug and cause less than optimal absorption. The other key is once it's under your tongue, do not move your tongue or your mouth at all. Ignore the saliva that builds up, and just keep your mouth closed and tongue still...don't swish the spit around (not until you're ready to swallow). Doing this should yield better results.

It will absorb on the sides of your gums. There are many blood vessels that can absorb drugs with buccal absorption. You may want to keep the Suboxone sublingual film strip underneath the tongue because it may require saliva to fully disintegrate properly; but this doesn't mean you couldn't allow the dissolved strip to also be spread on the gums.

 

[ro0ga]

I shouldn't have said "the only point of absorption is the veins under your tongue"...it will absorb in other places, CH is right. Though it does have maximal absorption under the tongue compared to other places.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I shouldn't have said "the only point of absorption is the veins under your tongue"...it will absorb in other places, CH is right. Though it does have maximal absorption under the tongue compared to other places.

It probably varies per drug but for buprenorphine you are right, I believe sublingual BA beats the buccal one. I haven't done a lot of research into this though.

 

[kanyeknievel]

Well I've read that it is much better to spread it around not just under your tongue but other spots around the mouth for better absorption. Since if u keep it in one spot under your tongue you are losing a lot but keeping it only there and not a lot is being absorbed in that one spot, as apposed to around your mouth. No?

 

[shahab6]

HAHA...i think you need to read a little bit more of these threads before you start posting like that. You would have known that I go without my suboxone all the time and my previous record was 15 days, except I am now currently off of my suboxone and its been about 22-23 days and I still feel no ill effects at all.
It all has to do with my maintanence techniques and tapering methods that I have posted about a million times on here. I reccommend you look into that before you start talking about my suboxone use again. No offense or anything it just gets old having to repeat myself overand over again.

When I WAS taking suboxone I would only take 0.5mg doses and I had been on that dose for several months and because that low dose allowed for the norbupernorphine metabolite(a full agonist) to bind to my receptors, I actually got a high off of my suboxone everyday for months and it also acted as an anti-depressant and gave me energy.

*ANd also....plugging suboxone is the most euphoric way of doing it in my experience and I can keep getting that euphoria no matter how long I am using it(allthough I usually IV it, but I also snort, SL, and plug). It all has to do with maintaining on very tiny doses. If you do a search im sure you will be able to find out all the info you need on that as you seem to be a bit confused on exactly how suboxone works. Yes, people who take high doses of suboxone are not gonna be able to get all of these beneficial effects once they have maintaned on there dose, but if you stay on a dose under 1mg you will find suboxone acts like a completely different drug.

And FYI im not addicted to my suboxone in any way. I can stop taking any time I want with no ill effects, I have proven I can go for long periods of time(several weeks) without dosing on sub or any other drugs opiates or not, and im sure I can completely stop taking my suboxone forever with no ill effects, its just I have only gone about 22 days at the most so far so its kind of hard to prove without a doubt that that is true...but anyone with even the slightest bit of common sense will figure out that if I have no problems whatsoever going several weeks without my suboxone, then I will have no problem quitting alltogether. And I plan on staying off of my subs for several more weeks, maybe more just to prove this. The only reason I keep taking my subs(whenever I do) is because of the positive effects it has on my life, it by no means is addicting to me and my life is just as productive and happy when I am on it as when I am off it. I also would not be able to stop using it all the time if I were addicted to it. I have yet to feel any withdrawal effects from my subs.....and I hope others follow my methods and are able to enjoy suboxone the way I have.

Did you ever have high tolerence to opiates before? Because most people I know who will take .5mh of sub will go through WD.

The less iv ever take was 2mg at a time twice a day, I thought I will get a high but nothing. But I did notice a lot less side effect, I had more energy. but after 3-4 days, I got craving again, so I went back to 8mg again, for 1-2 days and again back to 4mg. So it slike 4-5 days I take 4mg a day, and 1-2 days 8gm.
I will try that .5mg and ill get back to you..