Bupe *New Suboxone film * official thread*

[Pegasus]

For the record, I recommend using saline instead of water for nasal solutions, as water will irritate the nasal membranes.

 

[slamm freak]

is the white N8 on the sub strips the naloxone? i heard that somewhere was wondering if this is correct? also wondering what the best way to inject sub films 8mg

 

[subox0wned]

is the white N8 on the sub strips the naloxone? i heard that somewhere was wondering if this is correct? also wondering what the best way to inject sub films 8mg

The white N8 is nothing but dye, white ink, it's totally benign. I doubt Reckitt Benckiser would have included the naloxone, which is the main selling point behind their product (albeit ineffective), in such a way that it could be circumvented so easily.

As to your second question, the best way to IV an 8mg suboxone, is to not IV an 8mg suboxone. When injecting buprenorphine, it is wise not to fix up more than 2mg at a time, & hopefully considerably less than that. Only use what you need, bupe is a very potent drug, & the general consensus with it is that less is more, there's several different reasons for this, the most apparent, besides the 100% IV BA, being that when attempting to dilute more than 2mg of a sub strip, the consistency of the solution becomes more and more viscous (syrup-like), & not very friendly on the veins. Doctors heavily over-medicate recovering addicts with bupe, & while I'm not suggesting that some people don't require high doses to hold them, most people do not, and can get by on fractions of an 8mg a day, it only benefits you in the long run when it's time to come off the subs, if you've only been taking what you need, & not jacking your tolerance and dependency up taking 16-32mgs a day.

If you're not on bupe maintenance, & are simply looking to slam the film recreationaly, my first advice would be to look into other methods of administration, as IVing bupe has very few benefits over snorting or taking sublingually as directed. There isn't much of a rush (none if you use on a regular basis) & if you don't have a tolerance, you'll no doubt get just as high taking it as directed or up the nose. If you're absolutely going to shoot it, & there's no buts about it, then it ain't all that different than shooting up anything else, just don't shoot the whole film. If you don't know the basics of IVing, then you shouldn't be going anyware near yourself with a needle. If you know how it's done, give it a shot, no pun intended, read back through this thread, myself & others have thoroughly discussed shooting suboxone, read back through my posts even, the very first one I ever made contained a very detailed breakdown of how I prep my film for injection. Yes, I shoot my sub, have for awhile, not stopping anytime soon, but at the same time it's a high risk, low reward situation that I wouldn't recommend to anyone, I have my reasons, but make sure you consider your own. If you're going to do it, do so as safely as possible, be smart, & know what you're doing before you do it, don't make yourself a guinea pig. Good Luck.

 

[meatysmom]

They more than likely degrade much quicker than the tablets would because there is MUCH less fillers and binders to protect the active chemicals from the elements. The strips dont really have much protecting them from heat, moisture, light, etc....so it would be best to try to "seal" them up in something else(or even back in the same package) in order to prevent any decomp. They were made to be used all at once so I doubt there are any "preservatives" in place to help prevent decompostion once opened.

Just do your best to keep them away from the elements and im sure you will not notice any degredation in the quality of the suboxone.

Since these strips are so new, only time will tell how well they do outside of there packaging for relatively long periods of time.

I take a half film a day, and put the other half back in the packet, and put the packet inside a RX bottle. Actually, I remove all packets from the box the pharmacy gives me and keep them in a large RX bottle. This keeps them in a nice, airtight container, and for the packets that are open, it protects the half of my dose that's left. Sometimes, I will leave one in there for a week or two if I forget it is there and when I finally take it, it's just fine. Besides, the color of the RX bottle protects it from the light, too.

 

[ralph1221]

I have a feeling that by 7-8 units of water, the OP meant 70-80, since I cannot feasibly imagine even a quarter of a strip, or anything for that matter, dissolving in 7 or 8 units. As for the heat, I understand your point, & maybe it isn't the most intelligent way to prep these, but I too have been shooting these for months, and always add some heat for sanitary reasons, also because it appears to clarify the solution, & causes some of the inactives to dry in a ring around the outside of the liquid which I can avoid drawing up, and presumably avoid putting in my veins. perhaps I should cease doing that, but I tend to think it doesn't make a huge difference either way, and personally feel more comfortable heating it. Regardless, I have been doing this for quite some time, & have never had an adverse reaction to a shot, even when heating. I'm stumped by some of the reactions people claim to have when they IV these, most of which I would chalk up to an allergy to one of the inactive ingredients, i.e dyes ect. Let's face it, heat or no heat, unless you micron filter, you're not going to get a shot of pure bupe either way, & even then you'll never be able to remove the dyes.

Yeah sorry if I confused anyone -- I clearly meant 70-80 units. I don't think it's possible to dissolve any size strip in 7-8 units, let alone get it up into your rig.

As for adding the heat: Since I was admittedly nervous about IV'ing suboxone for the first time, I was sure to read all 20-some-odd pages of this thread and a couple others, and I am positive that at least one poster said that although they dissolved fine on their own, adding a little heat would help/speed up the process. Since the first couple times though, I have just skipped the heat altogether and let it dissolve on its own while stirring.

At the same time, although it sounds like a possibility, I don't think it was the heat that caused the bad reaction. As I mentioned, I used a candle/lighter a couple more times after that with no post-shot effect. My guess is that the adverse reaction was just your standard dirty shot/cotton fever, as I did not have access to a micron filter and had to use a cotton. It certainly felt similar to cotton fever (although WAY worse than any I've had before). But either way, there's no point to heating it anyways so I'd skip it just to be safe.

Finally, apart from it taking effect immediately and the 97-100% BA (and thus getting more use out of your scrip), I'm not seeing any tangible benefits to IV as an ROA. Especially if you're chasing some kind of high -- as I admit, I kind of was -- it's just not going to happen unless you are on a very tiny dose and/or have very little tolerance for it. I'm about to go back to sublingual in the next couple days, I just needed to get a little bit of needle-fetish out of my system without relapsing.

 

[faeriegurrl]

BAD reaction to shooting strips. HELP??

Hi guys. I just joined, and I read several pages of this thread but it's possible someone already answered my question and I just missed it. If so, please forgive me.

I have been on Suboxone for over a year now, following a very bad opiate addiction. Sub has saved my life... REALLY. I was in a very bad place when I was shooting Dilauded and Morphine, and I'm sure many of you know what it's like so I won't go into details.

I am certainly not proud of shooting my Suboxone, but as someone else mentioned in the thread, I'm addicted to the ritual of shooting up. I would like to get off of it soon though, and have been trying to do this for months. It's just that the withdrawal isn't great, and since my husband doesn't know I'm taking the Suboxone, I don't want him to know I'm going through withdrawl. I started on 1 1/4 pill (10 mg) per day. I'm down to about 1/2 pill (4 mg) per day after about 14 months of use. I only have a few pills left and a friend gave me a couple of the strips to try. My goal is to NOT go back to the Dr and get another script, and so I think I'll need to use the strips too to help me get through the detox part.

I read some threads & ppl r saying the strips r safe to shoot (well, as safe as the tabs r), but I also read somewhere that you should rub off the white ink, kind of like you'd soak off the coating on a pill if u were going to shoot it. Here's how I've been taking my Suboxone tabs: break tab in 6 parts and use 1 part each time, do this three times per day (1/2 tab per day total). I use 1/6 of the tablet at a time w/ abt 100 units of water in a syringe. That lasts me about 5 hours (well, it could last up to 8, but since I shoot when I'm stressed, I tend to do it about every 4 or 5 hours). With the strip, I cut it into 6 pieces and diluted 1/6 of the strip in water then filled the syringe w/ the solution (which I did not find to be thick at all). No, I don't use a filter and, yes, I do know how bad that is. Anyway, I was nervous about it so I injected it very slowly. I had about 10 units in my bloodstream (1/60 of the strip! mind u), and I started feeling real strange. At first I thought I was actually getting high from it, so I started panicking a little. But then I realized something bad was happening. I stopped injecting and put away all of my stuff b/c I was scared I was going to pass out or have a heart attack or something. At first, it was like shooting Dilauded b/c my heart started pounding and blood was rushing to my head. But then I looked in the mirror and my whole face and neck were BRIGHT red. My skin has never been that red even with a bad sunburn. It was so frightening. I went outside to get some cold, fresh air and the effects went away in about five minutes, but it's one of the scariest things that ever happened to me. I was so afraid I was going to die or something.

Can someone PLEASE tell me what happened to me? Was it that I wiped off the white ink? (Someone in a forum said that's part of the drug? The naxolone or whatever you call it, and that you should wipe it off...) Has this ever happened to anyone else? Maybe I"m just allergic to one of the fillers or something? I don't want to try injecting it again, but I want to be able to take the strips orally & I"m scared that the same thing will happen again. Do u think it was just from injection b/c it's more immediate and intense generally? I'm afraid that if I take it orally the bad effects won't be as bad but they'll last longer. Just scared in general. Can anyone offer an opinion, theory or insight?

I know I'm a little clueless abt drugs & some ppl might think I've been dumb about this, but I'm asking here b/c I don't want to die or severely injure myself. I also read a lot of posts here and appreciate that ppl don't seem to harshly judge others often here. Thanks so much.

 

[amapola]

Hi faeriegurrl,

You really need to micron filter your shots. What likely happened is your body reacted to the large amount of insoluble foreign material in the blood stream and had something akin to an acute allergic reaction almost like temporary blood poisoning (septicemia). The fact that you have been shooting pills for years without filtering is not good either as the accumulation of binders and fillers in your blood stream is doing chronic damage which you won't notice until your lungs start filling up with fluid or you damage the valves of your heart.

I doubt you will get the same reaction by taking the drugs orally/sublingually and think it is a good option until you get some micron filters.

 

[ejnjgrl822]

yeah it sounds like alot of people either A. arent filtering properly or B. having allergic reactions to the inactives found in the strips. When i was IVing the strips i had no complications whatsoever and all i did was use about 50-70 units of water for about 1/4 of the strip and filter with a cotton and it works perfectly fine

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hi faeriegurrl,

You really need to micron filter your shots. What likely happened is your body reacted to the large amount of insoluble foreign material in the blood stream and had something akin to an acute allergic reaction almost like temporary blood poisoning (septicemia). The fact that you have been shooting pills for years without filtering is not good either as the accumulation of binders and fillers in your blood stream is doing chronic damage which you won't notice until your lungs start filling up with fluid or you damage the valves of your heart.

I doubt you will get the same reaction by taking the drugs orally/sublingually and think it is a good option until you get some micron filters.

This is the answer.

I am going to post more about this later, stay tuned.

 

[opiakitty]

i dont think u can shoot it honestly i believe it woud gell up. but, shooting suboxone i believe just isnt a good idea and i have tried it u dont get much of a trip from it. but yes they taste better, easy to cut up one strip can keep me from being sick for days. but im a real trooper i can hack out some of the sweats maybe the constant need to strech as well. but its easy when u dont have a choice. ican only get the subs when im able to. i used to see a dr. in fear of a bad piss test i cancelled an apt. then made my parents believe i didnt need them but made sure i had two more scripts in the pharmacy after making them over prescribe me. screw payn 300 a wk for them to fill out a paper and say "yep u still fucked up heres ur scripts and thanks for the money" ha

yeah it sounds like alot of people either A. arent filtering properly or B. having allergic reactions to the inactives found in the strips. When i was IVing the strips i had no complications whatsoever and all i did was use about 50-70 units of water for about 1/4 of the strip and filter with a cotton and it works perfectly fine

what do u feel from shooting the strip???/ because i feel nothing.....seriously it just teases me badly.

mod note: please just edit your post if you have something to add right after instead of posting again.

 

[ejnjgrl822]

theres a very subtle rush if anything. it doesnt do much. i do it because i have a limited amount of suboxone and have to get the most i can out of it. i did get a decent nod when i shot .5-1mg of suboxone but it took a while til i could feel it. id say IV'ing it is not worth the risk you take when you do it unless you have a small supply and need to get the most out of it or if you really have "needle fever"
but shooting the strips is no different than the pills "rush" or "high" wise. its the same bupe/nalo and as long as you dont dissolve the whole strip at once there is no gelling whatsoever. make sure to use no more than 2-4mg AT MOST

 

[DeLee]

This is my first time posting here, though I have used the site on a number of occassions over the years for informative purposes. My only intent here is to share my experience with IVing the sub film last night. I have been shooting suboxone (2mg or less at a time) for over a year now since i stopped doing heroin. It's nothing I'm proud of, but I am far better off than I was on dope.. I've never had a problem with it once. I am sure not to miss and I try to be as clean as I can about it. Hopefully I'll be stopping soon. So last night was the first time I had received the new film version of suboxone. I checked bluelight and someo ther sources and it seemed safe enough to shoot (as safe as pills anyways) so I followed the instructions I saw and gave it a shot. I scraped the white N8 off and cut out a quarter or a strip. I used a full syringe and it mixed up just fine in that much water. I put it in and could taste the lemon lime in my mouth a bit as per usual. All went well. I thought the film was going to be just great. Well about 3 mins after the shot I felt my blood pressure rising and rising. I went to the bathroom and looked in the mirror and my face was bright red and my eyes were getting red as well. Before long I felt real hot and like I was going to explode. I was about to go get someone to bring my to the hospital or something when it stopped rising.... it still held steady for a few mins. I was splashing cold water on my face to cool down. I stuck it out for 5 mins or so and eventually the flushing went away and pressure dropped. At this point I got very nausous. I kept spitting in the sink feeling like I was going to vomit. Another few minutes and I felt good enought o exit the bathroom and I went and layed down. I continued to feel sick for another hour and a half or so. After a few hours i felt much better, but not like I normally do after my sub. When I woke up this morning I was fine. I'm not the type of person that gets sick off a lot of things. I never vomit from opiates or lack of opiates, i never even feel real sick in my stomache when I'm dope sick. This was not typical of me. My brother came over a few hours after episode and he had shot part of a strip the night before. He told me that same thing happened to him minus the blood pressure/flushing/hotness. He is prone to throwing up on opiates and when withdrawing and he told me he got very sick after shooting the strips. He was throwing up a lot. It's normal for him to react that way, but not for me. It seems that lots of people are having good luck with IV sub film, I just wanted to share my experience in case it might help any of you in your decision making. I shoot subs because they make me gag. I hate the taste more than anything because I associate it with being super dope sick i think. That being said I dont think I will ever try shooting the film again. Thats how bad it was. Thank god I didn't have to be at work or out with someone or anything... anyways thanks for letting me share and thanks for having this site to help people do what they're gonna do with as much knowledge as they can get. peace.

Maybe someone already answered but to me it kind of sounds like you were trown into acute withdrawal of some sort. Like the naloxone somehow got very active and pulled your buprenorphine away from your receptors.
Or that you got some bacteria or dirt into the shot.

Why it came to mind was that i felt almost exactly when I by misstake administred a shot of Suboxone when I still had Heroin in my system.

3-5mins after I had shot up my bloodpressure went up, i started sweating, got very nausseus and shaky.
The bad thing about it was that I shot up at a public bathroom so I had to carry myself home where I fell asleep and woke up a couple of hours later feeling OK again.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

theres a very subtle rush if anything. it doesnt do much. i do it because i have a limited amount of suboxone and have to get the most i can out of it. i did get a decent nod when i shot .5-1mg of suboxone but it took a while til i could feel it. id say IV'ing it is not worth the risk you take when you do it unless you have a small supply and need to get the most out of it or if you really have "needle fever"
but shooting the strips is no different than the pills "rush" or "high" wise. its the same bupe/nalo and as long as you dont dissolve the whole strip at once there is no gelling whatsoever. make sure to use no more than 2-4mg AT MOST

There is also no difference between buprenorphine by itself, and buprenorphine with naloxone.

Strips versus pills, there is a difference in the inactive ingredients which can make one seem better than the other; overall I would say they are both identical, minus inactive ingredients.

However I am interested by the results I have had with working with both and will have to post results soon.

 

[ejnjgrl822]

ive noticed with the pill i feel like i get more nods but its probably just my dosing because the actives are the same but i dont really know

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Results of micron filtering Suboxone film strips. Pictures included.

 

[allinwithnothing]

Ok so I hate suboxone. I hate it because of the taste. The taste is so bad that everytime I take it I throw up. It's so bad for me that it's led me to use longer then I have ever wanted to. there has been plenty of times over the last 2 years where the consequences pile up so fast, or I just get sick and tired of this dope game that I make plans to kick. I'd get some subs, come up with a tapper plan, start it, and back out of it cause I spent more time sic then I did str8. I will wait and wait and wait to take Subs because I can't stand the taste. So therefore I'd be sic for alot more of the kick, then I would be str8. Also I'd only take 1-2 mg's because it's a smaller dose and the taste wasn't as overwhelming. once again. I'd be sic more then str8 and even if I was str8, the sicness would never b completley gone. ( I have a 10 bag a day habit), so 1-2mg's is never enough. It's just enough to keep it at bay for a few hrs.
Anyways. So i got these strips from a doc this week. I finally went to a doctor and counseling and got back on a maint. program. ( i had been on one for 14 months a few years ago).. I thought that since I got the strips that the taste and effect would be a lot different. I actually excpected a high off a 8 mg strip. But it hasn't been any different. Actually I don't think they are any different then the pills. the taste is just as bad. It makes me throw up just as much. And it disgusts me just as much. My stomach is churning just thinking about it.
I have taken this med every way that I can think of, just short of plugging and IVing it, and yet I still have the same result. I throw up, I'm never str8, and until this morning I was starting to think about going back on dope.

today was the last straw for me. I have never IVed sub simply because of the horrible side effect that can happen from it. But this morning I was nice and sic. It was about 16 hrs since my last shot of dope. I was deffinitley in WD. So I fixed up a shot, and took the plunge. I excpected 1 of 2 things happen to be thrown into horrible WD. or get a nice buzz for the next 12 hrs. NADA neither one happened. I did get str8 though. For the first time I took subs, and I got str8. So to say the least I am happy with this ROA.

I shot suboxone and nothing happened to me. I think that this happened for a few reasons.
1. I was in withdrawl allready, and it had been more then 12 hrs since my last full antagonist.
2. I only shot .5mgs the first time ( I have increased it by .5mgs each time after that). I have done it 3 times today.
Honestly I know that this is crazy. There's no way I can continue to shoot subs and not have any ill effects. Either I'll get caught by my doc, or my girl, and I'll have to stop or get kicked out of the program. I could get an abcess, my veins could get clogged. There are so many things that could go wrong with this. But on another note. For the first time in a really long time I am starting to think that I could actuallly kick dope, and get my self off this shit. And it's kinda inspirational. I know thats crazy considering how I have to take it. LOL I have some hope right now. I think I'm going to wait and get sic again and try to plug it to see if I get the same result. As long as I don't have to taste this crap, I'll use it to get myself thru the kick. I wish I had tried this months ago. Mayb I wouldn't be 1400$ in debt and about to get kicked out of my house. Mayb I would have been able to get through a kick and keep one of the 3 jobs I've started and lost because of dope. Mayb things would be different. IDK.

I'm not telling all of you this because I condone shooting this shit. I dont, I wish I didn't have to. I'm telling all of you this because I want to share my experience. Nothing more. I fucking hate everything that goes with opiates now. i don't wish any of this on anyone. It's a horrible way for me to live. And I just don't want anything to do with any of it any more.
peace and goodluck to everyone. Please do not take what I say as concrete evidence that shooting sub is not harmful.
Honestly I think that this drug effects everyone differently. In the past I have been able to take subs, wait 4-6 hrs and shoot 5 bags of dope and get ripped off it, where as someone else may go into WD or wastes the dope because it's been blocked. Also I have used dope and then 5-6 hrs later taken a sub and not have any ill effects. where as most ppl can't do that. I have also stopped taking sub abruptly and not gone through any WD. And I have deffinitly heard opposite from other ppl. To each his own i guess. Like I said you hear a lot of stories about what to do and what not to do with this drug. And it's never a constant. It always varies. So please read with caution. Don't jump into something you havn't thought of, and please be safe..

sincerley yours.
swim.
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Thank you to everyone who reads and replys to my post. It took me a while to type it. So I know it took u a minute or 2 to read it. Hopefully it's easy enough for you to read and I wrote it well enough you'll want to finish it.

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[amapola]

Hey allinwithnothing,

Our own Other Drugs forum mod Captain.Acetaminophen shoots his subs and has for quite a while now with no ill side effects that I'm aware of. If you approach it safely with fresh needles, micron filtering, and proper injection technique you can minimize the risk. Obviously it's not ideal and you do take a chance every time you inject as well as the development of chronic issues but it is a viable means of administration and can work for some people.

Some reasons people choose to shoot their subs are dwindling supply (i.e. better bioavailability) and addiction to the shooting routine. You won't ever really get a rush from it and I don't know if I've ever heard of taste as a complaint before but if it gives you hope at kicking your habit then it can't be all bad right

 

[CodeineGateKepper]

Hey allinwithnothing, I don't know if I've ever heard of taste as a complaint before but if it gives you hope at kicking your habit then it can't be all bad right

i have heard a few people saying they hated the taste and it made them sick which i personally cannot see best tasting pill or strip or pretty much any type of medicine i have ever used LOL i personally don't have a prescription but my opiate abuse was getting so bad that i was spending way to much money on the damn things and i was very addicted a friend of mine got an rx for the subs a lil over a year ago told me to try a lil and ever since it has been a life saver saves me money and helps me kick the other drugs today was my first time using the strips and him as well but i have to say we were both pleasently surprised at how taking them sublingualy was able to give us a small euphoric effect i am personally pleased with these strips and would recommend them to anyone using bupe at the moment

 

[DeLee]

Hate the taste

I didn't quote your whole post since it had to much text.
Anyway you never said where you live, but isn't it possible for you to talk to your doc and switch you over to a Buprenorphine med that doesn't have that lemon taste?

Like Subutex or Buprenotex.

Im not a fan of that lemon taste either but you have it in your mouth for such a short moment and afterwards you can try different drink to rinse your mouth to get rid of the aftertaste.
I know a lot of people hate the taste of Suboxone but nobody throws up so come on man.. it can't be THAT bad - im sure you can stand the taste for a short while without puking.

Nice guide Captain.Heroin!

 

[allinwithnothing]

No seriously I can't take the taste. I throw up everytime I take it. It's the saliva that produces when I take the sub. It pools in the bottom of my mouth and Im either forced to swallow it or spit it out. either way I'm loosing almost all of the med. The saliva forms so fast that the sub has no time to absorb into my mouth. therefore I'm not getting any relief from the med.
I have heard plenty of people say that they don't like the taste. I've heard plenty of ppl say that they experience the same results. So I know it's not just me and my head. It's a problem with the med. Maybe if it wasn't some acidic lemon lime flavor mixed with a asprin taste it would be better. I think that cherry or strawberry, maybe even chocolate would probably be a much better substitute for ppl like me.

update. i plugged 2 mg's last night. Got a slight buzz off the dose I took. Im a little leary of taking it this way since I havn't pooped in 2 days and I'm worried that it may make it worse. Guess I'll just continue to take it the way I am now.