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Bupe *New Suboxone film * official thread*
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Micron filters are what you deffinately need. Cigg filters aren't the way I would suggest. But the captain should give you a reply soon and any advice he has is accurate. Please listen and take heed to what he says, seriously. Good luck.
ErgicMergic
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They're the new 4mg Suboxone Strips, as the x variable in the Nx imprint stands for the mg amount of buprenorphine, not naloxone.
They have two new Suboxone film strip strengths now, 4mg bupe/1mg naloxone, and 12mg bupe/3mg naloxone.
They have two new Suboxone film strip strengths now, 4mg bupe/1mg naloxone, and 12mg bupe/3mg naloxone.
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Mr.Scagnattie
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I wish they would make lower dosed strips.. not higher ones..
How about some to actually aid in the tapering process and not just help put people on huge doses? Some .05mg strips would be pretty damn cool.
How about some to actually aid in the tapering process and not just help put people on huge doses? Some .05mg strips would be pretty damn cool.
I have always used SUBOXONE Under the tongue,i did try snorting the pills
a few times and the result was not as good.
For me the film seems to be the most effective,easiest to use.
for those that hate the flavor i think the pills have more of a noticeable flavor.
Ps, Dont up your dose,try to stay on the lowest amount of mg's as possible
like 2mg's or under.
BUPE is a strange drug that works better with less mg's. it is nothing like the regular opaiates
where the more you take the more you feel. There is info on this all over this forum that i wish i would have read before i made the mistake of taking more and more mg's.
i made the mistake of up'ing my dose and after 11 months
the SUBOXONE no longer worked.
a few times and the result was not as good.
For me the film seems to be the most effective,easiest to use.
for those that hate the flavor i think the pills have more of a noticeable flavor.
Ps, Dont up your dose,try to stay on the lowest amount of mg's as possible
like 2mg's or under.
BUPE is a strange drug that works better with less mg's. it is nothing like the regular opaiates
where the more you take the more you feel. There is info on this all over this forum that i wish i would have read before i made the mistake of taking more and more mg's.
i made the mistake of up'ing my dose and after 11 months
the SUBOXONE no longer worked.
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bwanajzj
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I would just like to clarify something that has come up early in this discussion and I didn't find a direct response to something quite vital - so I don't know if it has been answered as I don't have time to go through the whole thread the coming week, but white ink or white colour used for pills and other medicine (hell, even toothpaste, basically anything that needs to be white) is for the most part pure TiO2 derived from titanium ore or heavy metal sedimentary deposits, originating from the mineral rutile (TiO2 in pure form or other titanium bearing minerals as ilmenite (FeTiO3). So it is essentially something the body can handle, so long as it is not taken in large amounts. It is insoluble in water. Each particle is small enough (μm range), but they do coagulate and larger particles usually form in a solution. But this still means that cottons usually won't remove it. Micron filters do (0.2μm) however remove the titanium dioxide. Nonetheless, it is one of the less harmful substances found in any pill or strip, so should be the least of your worries other than absorbic acid (also in small amounts) which is also usually one of the least harmful ingredients as far as I know.
bwanajzj
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^At the top of the page, under the title and page numbers in the blue pane, click the button in the right side that says 'Thread Tools' and then from the menu choose to 'Subscribe to this Thread.' 'cause posting doesn't make it much easier to follow... But then again, you probably have your way. My way, your way, just avoid the highway.
Znegative
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I didn't check the link, but I have to reply to this post. If you have never injected any drug intravenously before, why would you start now (for one) and secondly, why would you decide that suboxone was the drug you want to IV? I don't mean to act like 'well, if you were going to shoot some dilaudid, THEN it would be worth it', but suboxone is just such a pointless drug to inject when you've never used that ROA... You're just going to wind up wanting to shoot other opiates, and your addiction is going to increase three fold.
If you want a similar experience to injecting .5mg of bupe, plug about 1mg, you'll get just as quick of an onset, and just as much of a rush. The only difference is it will last about 2.5x longer and you won't be shooting binders into your veins and embarking on a road to eventual and almost definite self destruction.
I am all for that but want to add that i also wish the doctors(at least mine!) would inform their patients what is needed to know about being on Bupe for a year or more!
I learned here about Less is more with bupe but unfortunately that was after i had been on a 8mg or more a day routine for almost a year.
For me the bupe stopped working at the higher dose and i really am convinced it could have been prevented had i been informed
by the doctor that this drug is not conventional like a regular opiate and needs to be tapered down to the individuals sweet spot, which i am reading here is 2mg's or less.
Can anyone explain why bupe is blocking IV heroin for such a long time? A couple of weeks ago, I took 5.5 mg of suboxone and 24 hours later shot some heroin and got extremely high. More recently though, I took 16 mg of subs on Tuesday and 8 mg wednesday, so the last dose was 72 hours ago and I STILL can't get high. Why is this happening? Is it because I took the 16 mg and it built up in my system or something? I just dont understand how I was able to get high after 24 hours when I had taken 5.5 mg but now after 72 hours I still cant get high.
bwanajzj
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Check the graph on the first post of this thread. It shows you how, due to the long half-life of buprenorphine and metabolites, that it will accumulate when taken on a daily basis, so the 8mg you took Wednesday simply compensated for eliminated buprenorphine taken Tuesday. In total, you probably had around 20mg active bupe on wednesday and 72 hours later close to 2-4mg, depending on your metabolism - maybe you had none (but even with the documented half-life schemes of bupe, my experience is that it lingers for a while longer than stated). But yeah, with the time frame you present, bupe is likely not present in high doses in your system, but the mere fact that you took such a high dose will also lead to tolerance building up fast and also the blocking effect can become stronger with higher doses due to the immense affinity for opiate receptors that bupe has (the case may be that all receptors are saturated and keep getting saturated as the bupe travels around in the bloodstream through the course of the nights and days). People tend to be able to break through doses of 8mg and under (like your 5.5mg), but above that effects become minimal. Even when breaking through a low sub dose, the rush is barely felt and the only thing worthwhile the heroin dose is the nod. Other than that it is a waste of money and effort to take bupe and then heroin. Expect it to take a while for full effects of heroin, even after the bupe has left your system. Took me 2 weeks when I stopped taking buprenorphine the previous year to be able to get a decent heroin rush.
EDIT: Depending on your ROA, my numbers might be off, as I assumed that you took the bupe IV. If not, then just calculate estimated active bupe in system by checking the bioavailabilities noted in the same post as the graph i mentioned on page 1.
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Znegative
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My experience with suboxone and its blocking effects is that its incredibly unpredictable when you've only take buprenorphine for one or two days, even at high dosages. For instance, my girlfriend took 8mg one day and shot dope 12 hours later and was as high as she'd usually get. More recently she took 4mg, and couldn't get properly high for about 36 hours.
Shit, even when I was taking suboxone for maintenance, it still didn't seem to make sense-I mean, at a dose above 4mg taken daily, the bupe would normally always block the heroin for a long time. But every once in a while, I would shoot dope the same day, and get a cerified rush and a REAL heroin high that wasn't just sedation but also euphoria.
Shit, even when I was taking suboxone for maintenance, it still didn't seem to make sense-I mean, at a dose above 4mg taken daily, the bupe would normally always block the heroin for a long time. But every once in a while, I would shoot dope the same day, and get a cerified rush and a REAL heroin high that wasn't just sedation but also euphoria.
STMandragora
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One of the reasons they switch patients to the strips is because if someone has them in possession and are not prescribed the medication, law enforcers can easily get the information of who the strip belonged to, what doctor prescribed it, and the place where it was prescribed can easily be scanned with all the bar codes and serial numbers on the back of the package. This helps stop people from selling it on the street resulting in possible overdoses to whom the person sold there script to etc.
STMandragora
Greenlighter
I was in outpatient on the Suboxone program back in 2011. My doctor gave me many chances. He would always get extremely upset if i failed my piss test for benzos, but didn't mind if I failed for opiates. Of course it's because benzos and Suboxone is a dangerous mix. I still use Suboxone and Subutex in 2mg doses after being an opiate addict for 11 years and a heavy iv user. I've iv'ed the strips many times and decided to stop iv'ing due to an abcess I developed on my left arm. Anyway earlier today my friend got back on the program and showed me a picture of the new Suboxone film strip which now contains 12mg of bupe and 3mg's of Naloxone I find this very interesting, I figure they will probably continue to up the Naloxone in the strips over time though.
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twotoomany
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8/2 and 12/3 is the same ratio. Nothing surprising there. It's 4:1. Makes sense, in that regard anyway.
mixinvixen
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My experience was my insurance would cover the pills, but not the film. Hate the pills. I had to appeal with documentation from my MD to get the strips. I jumped off @ 3-8/2MG strips 3 weeks ago. My doc gave me opiates and benzos and other goodies, but the withdrawal symptoms are horrid! I'm quite familiar with horrid. I had to do a benzo w/drawl that made me nutzo and almost killed me. In fact I was told by so many docs that I was crazy I checked myself into a mental hospital who dumped me with nada after my insurance ran out. I went from 180# to 108# in 3 months. I wanted to die. Kinda feelin it now trying to get off the subs. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TY. mixin vixen
mixinvixen
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I used 3-8/2mg strips for several months. I quit 3 weeks ago with the aide of opiates and valium. I'm now on morphine, percs and lorazepam + diazepam, clonedine etc. I feel like dying. Can't eat, sleep, watch TV, listen to music or take a walk I'm so shaky! When will it start to get better? I'm new to the site. Any advice on how to interact w/members would be greatly appreciated. I'm technologically challenged. Lets just say I am challenged period
mixinvixen
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who would WANT this shit? I wish I never would have tried it. I'm in a living hell trying to get off! In the beginning I thought I'd found my wonder drug. After 2 years and high doses I regret ever starting.
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