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Bupe *New Suboxone film * official thread*

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i took oxy for a few days and it sucked.. I hated it.!! so many ups and downs.. felt like shit...

Subs are way better IMO... :)
 
cire113 said:
i took oxy for a few days and it sucked.. I hated it.!! so many ups and downs.. felt like shit...

Subs are way better IMO... :)
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Yeah man that's what I'm talking about!! =D

I would prefer waking up feeling OK or maybe only somewhat crappy (typically will only happen when I am using d-amp, cannabis, bupe, and even possibly benzos before going to just bupe the next morning/day after sleeping in a long time)... compared to heroin's morning wake up in hell routine. 8( Argh... I could never go through that again willingly. :|

The only reason I would ever use a full agonist opiate again: extreme nerve/bone/tendon pain, although the last time I had full agonists for extreme pain they gave me pathetic shit pre-surgery, but IV midazolam and IV fentanyl together during the surgery really hit the spot. %)

Even if I hit my head on something accidentally (but not severe) I wouldn't ever consider using a full agonist ever again. I hope to never have extreme pain ever again, especially not four months of it.
 
i will post this here as well how do we know that bupe is evenly distributed across the films or even pills? like how can we say a quarter is for sure 2mgs?
 
mayunholdup said:
First of all, smoking Suboxone would just be about the dumbest thing in the world. Secondly, if you want your buzz back, skip a day of subs. So, at the minimum go 48 hours without subs, the longer you wait it out, the better the sub will feel and it really isn't that hard to do. You can easily go 48 to 60 hours without sub without even feeling any noticeable W/Ds. The best thing to do on the day that you skip sub is keep yourself busy. Get out of the house, watch a movie, work out, chill at a friends house and smoke some weed. Before you know it, it will be time for bed. Your mind will breakdown and tell you that you need sub before your body does. If you start craving smoke another bowl or just try to keep your mind off of it and remind yourself the longer you wait, the much better the reward. I've been on sub maintenance for almost two years. I started off with the pills and took between 24 and 32 MG, got down to 16mg (What I'm still currently taking), then started abusing them and doubling up my dose. So, usually I would run out at least two days or so before my doctor's visit, the longest I went was 86 hours and near the end it started getting pretty close to unbearable. I was at the Doctor's forever, I got stuck in traffic on the way to the pharmacy, then I had to wait at the pharmacy forever. When I finally got my script I already had a dose under my tongue before I was out the door and let me tell you, I was super buzzed. Not nodding off, but a burst of energy, pure euphoria, that warm, fuzzy feeling. If I had a top ten list for best opiate highs, this would certainly make it. It was probably just as good, if not better as railing that first 80 of the day. So, that's it....That is the secret to getting a nice buzz if you're on a reasonably high dose of Suboxone, just skip a day or two.

If you want to get an even better buzz going is on the day you skipped double up your dose since you'll have an extra one left over anyways. Trust me, do that and you'll be feeling great all day long.
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It's funny how you talk about what you do when you skip a day of suboxone. I have not been able to do that in over a year, and I feel it mainly is because I don't go out much. It totally is a mind thing though, at least for the first two days. I think I might try to skip tomorrow though, see how it goes. I had been adjusting to 4 mg/day for 3 weeks but last friday I bought a bundle, and after two days of shooting dope, I switched back over to 16 mg of suboxone, and then today 12 mg. I suppose it shouldn't be hard to taper down again, but skipping might make the process more enjoyable (skip suboxone for three days, and then take 4 mg.)

One weird thing I noticed about this last heroin binge, was that I am starting to think I don't like opiates that much anymore and prefer suboxone to heroin. Now when it comes to opana it's a different story, but heroin just doesn't do it for me like it used to. Unfortunately I also love cocaine so it doesn't solve my substance abuse problem, but it is progress.
 
Angry!

So I am a 26 year old single mother of one, I have been on suboxone tablets since 2005, recently my doc left his practice and left me needing a new doctor, got into a place and I guess there policy is only film, I have been on the film now for about two weeks, it gives me horrible headaches and I just feel all around crappy why??? If there exactly the same as the tabs! I don't believe it! Anyways I just wanted to throw my frustration at the people on here who are iving this stuff, or abusing it in any other way! Its not why it was made! You are the reason why my doctor won't put me back on the tablets, I'm going to get a new doctor because I feel like I'm the patient and I can choose what form of medication I want to put in my body, I have been a good girl never abusing or selling my meds and I don't feel it's fair If I feel like crap on these new films why can't I get my tablets back? Is anyone else experiencing these symptoms with the film or do u prefer them? I guess I am just so use to the tablets and was doing so well I haven't felt like using in over 3 years now after the switch it seems to be all I think about:(
 
Regardless of whether people abused there sub's or not makes no difference it is the exact same drug same contents and supposidly just as abuseable. That said its the safer alternative even if there wasn't a problem with abuse because it prevents it from bein abused at least that's what doctors think. But its likely you are experiencing a placebo in my opinion because I have been on both tab's and films and prefer the strips.
I think there is a definate difference in subutex and suboxone but not suboxone films to tabs and blaming other people because your doctor retired isn't right IMO
 
I wasn't blaming any body for my doctor getting a new practice, I was simply saying I am so frustrated that this drug manufactured to help people that are SERIOUS about their recovery is being abused in such away that they have to take the time to make up this film (and it is the main reason why it was made-to prevent ABUSE!) very aggravating to not beable to have a choice on what i put in my body and its all because of the abuse of these things, how will you feel if they totally stop making suboxone because abusers always find away to abuse the medication?? Wouldnt be fair for people who do really good with there matienance and are serious about staying clean! Also I was on subutex when I was pregnant, I find that to be the best! I was on the tablets for five years and did really well, now I am on the films an with all due respect I prefer the tabs much better, the doctor said it could just be my body adjusting to the change, because I get really bad headaches and withdrawal comes on much faster I am on the same dose maybe it needs to be adjusted I am not alone in feeling the strips cons VS. it's pros. Everyone is different! I should beable to vent my frustration with people abusing this medication that works really well to help keep me clean & sober, you think it's ok for people to do this? They should actually stop abusing and find that being clean and sober is a really wonderful thing if you give it a chance!
 
Plus I know its just as abusable & tried to tell my doctor that, she just shrugged it off and sticks to the myth that they are less abused which is a joke in my opinion, I just wish I had a choice in what I prefer to take and I don't, so does everyone prefer the film over the tabs? Or is there anybody here that feels the way I do, I don't think they are as strong as the tabs or seem to wear off faster plus the headaches, never been the type to get headaches now it's my dose of suboxone + ibuprofen on a daily basis, my stomach is probably bleeding as I type!
 
Krys said:
I wasn't blaming any body for my doctor getting a new practice, I was simply saying I am so frustrated that this drug manufactured to help people that are SERIOUS about their recovery is being abused in such away that they have to take the time to make up this film (and it is the main reason why it was made-to prevent ABUSE!) very aggravating to not beable to have a choice on what i put in my body and its all because of the abuse of these things, how will you feel if they totally stop making suboxone because abusers always find away to abuse the medication?? Wouldnt be fair for people who do really good with there matienance and are serious about staying clean! Also I was on subutex when I was pregnant, I find that to be the best! I was on the tablets for five years and did really well, now I am on the films an with all due respect I prefer the tabs much better, the doctor said it could just be my body adjusting to the change, because I get really bad headaches and withdrawal comes on much faster I am on the same dose maybe it needs to be adjusted I am not alone in feeling the strips cons VS. it's pros. Everyone is different! I should beable to vent my frustration with people abusing this medication that works really well to help keep me clean & sober, you think it's ok for people to do this? They should actually stop abusing and find that being clean and sober is a really wonderful thing if you give it a chance!
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^ you are on the wrong site if you are complaining about drug use/misuse
 
tablets suck films are way better in every respect; better absorption stronger lasts longer.. i dont know what these ppl are talking about.. I love my strips
 
Krys said:
So I am a 26 year old single mother of one, I have been on suboxone tablets since 2005, recently my doc left his practice and left me needing a new doctor, got into a place and I guess there policy is only film, I have been on the film now for about two weeks, it gives me horrible headaches and I just feel all around crappy why??? If there exactly the same as the tabs! I don't believe it! Anyways I just wanted to throw my frustration at the people on here who are iving this stuff, or abusing it in any other way! Its not why it was made! You are the reason why my doctor won't put me back on the tablets, I'm going to get a new doctor because I feel like I'm the patient and I can choose what form of medication I want to put in my body, I have been a good girl never abusing or selling my meds and I don't feel it's fair If I feel like crap on these new films why can't I get my tablets back? Is anyone else experiencing these symptoms with the film or do u prefer them? I guess I am just so use to the tablets and was doing so well I haven't felt like using in over 3 years now after the switch it seems to be all I think about:(
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There are generic subutex tablets on the market; they would be more ideal if you get headaches from Suboxone.

People abuse all sorts of pills, that doesn't mean that is why you are stuck with the film strips. Blame R&B wanting a monopoly on buprenorphine ORT products.

I hope you can get the tablets though as they are the same thing and can both be used with any ROA.
 
Krys said:
So I am a 26 year old single mother of one, I have been on suboxone tablets since 2005, recently my doc left his practice and left me needing a new doctor, got into a place and I guess there policy is only film, I have been on the film now for about two weeks, it gives me horrible headaches and I just feel all around crappy why??? If there exactly the same as the tabs! I don't believe it! Anyways I just wanted to throw my frustration at the people on here who are iving this stuff, or abusing it in any other way! Its not why it was made! You are the reason why my doctor won't put me back on the tablets, I'm going to get a new doctor because I feel like I'm the patient and I can choose what form of medication I want to put in my body, I have been a good girl never abusing or selling my meds and I don't feel it's fair If I feel like crap on these new films why can't I get my tablets back? Is anyone else experiencing these symptoms with the film or do u prefer them? I guess I am just so use to the tablets and was doing so well I haven't felt like using in over 3 years now after the switch it seems to be all I think about:(
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That's real weird that they wont put you back on the tablet. I mean, all in all, the point of it being I.V'able is negated since you can shoot an even safer solution using the film than when you had to put corn starch in your veins. I would just point that out. I feel for you though, i think that suboxone really has got some good potential, but the drug companies, psychiatrists, and the patients need to know all the facts, something that the folks who make suboxone have been hiding for a long time.

In fact I think that suboxone should just lose its stupid patent or that doctors should just prescribe subutex, that way, those who are not under an insurance policy that covers suboxone, doesn't have to feel guilty for pushing out 600 dollars a month from his family so that he feels comfortable, and doesn't go out and shoot dope.

Anyway, thats my rant. I guess I find it more the people in charges fault rather than the people that abuse(d) it's fault, because they should be the ones that know what they're putting out on the market as it is. In response to your question, I actually feel like the strips are a little less potent than the tabs (which seems to not be the common case) but I don't find it dramatically different. are you giving it time to dissolve? I find it's best to let it sit in there for at least ten minutes before talking or even moving your tongue and then when it's gone, I swish the saliva in my mouth around to cover more surface area. It works good for me. You could also try nasal or rectal administration, but it sounds like your not down for other ROA, which I get, but if it really is that bad, nasally and rectally you'd just be absorbing so much more buprenorphine.
good luck!
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I have to agree the whole naloxone thing is retarded.. how can the dea and FDA be so ignorant ?

the worst are the fucking dr's.. My dr says if i mention subutex to him one more time he wont see me anymore its bull shit; ive mentioned it twice in 6 months and he charges me 140$ a month for a 10 min visit to refill my script...

When correct me if im wrong but you can get refills for suboxone cause its schedule 3?
 
yeah, suboxone doctors from my experience understand suboxone way less than your average regular person. The last time I practically begged my dr for subutex just for one script of it because my familly litterally COULD NOT AFFORD the suboxone script in whole. My argument was flawless in my oppinion (I basically told her that I had shot up my suboxone for half a year, which she had known previously, but had returned to SL usage of suboxone, which was proveable based on the condition of my arms) which made it even more enraging when she came up with a new reason for why she can't ethically prescribe subutex. "because subutex is basically a full agonist compared to suboxone. subutex will continue to get me higher and higher the more I dose whereas suboxone won't because of god's gift to addicts, a wonderfully rendered useless and expensive chemical called naloxone."

Yep she tried to feed me that shit, which reflecting on it now, I'm almost offended but realize that she probably was just trying to come up with any other excuse no matter how implaussible it was because she really just didn't want to give me subutex..
 
^^ first off we dont use 'SWIM' We know its you hun and using that wont protect you from any legal ramifications that might occur BTW .. read the rules of the board... secondly 4mg dose is dumb; You shouldnt be iving any dose higher than 2mg; third if your not using a micron filter even you'll probably start feeling adverse effects real soon from iving the film; My suggestion:

your 28 i would probalby stop iving fim if you care about your health...

I iv'ed the film once or twice it sucked..

I liked sublingual much better.. also because im trying to avoid destructive addict behavoir like IV..

On a side note how come nobody evenr talks about doing sublingual adminstration with 90% proof alcohol any more;; supposed to really up the absorption rate ridculously .. 6/7 wrote a thread about it but it seems nobody really talks about it
 
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