Bupe *New Suboxone film * official thread*

[i are spectre]

no, it's not safe.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

so is it safe to iv the films if the mixture is still milky/cloudy looking? I have regular cotton/ q-tips to filter these?

No; you need a micron filter for this to be safe. The sublingual film strips filter clear with a micron filter. You do not want to inject anything cloudy.

for sublingual users...

do you feel that strips and tabs are weight equivalent in their effect?
ie 0.5mg orange tab = 0.5mg film strip (1/16th)

i recall having much better trials with small bits and pieces of the tabs under the tongue than the strips

They are equipotent to me, although I am not dosing sublingually.

 

[JackiePeyton]

They r pretty cool. My doc doesn't count but they did bump up my counseling again, I was off it! It is so annoying cuz he doesn't deal with payment, then u have to chase his recptionists at the other office cuz they deal with billing but don't take visa-so no phone payment-i don't write checks so now I gotta run cash out to the office to schedule another appt! I am too busy for this shit!

 

[Puppy Dogs]

so anyway ill be getting more strips monday and hope to get mostly back on them, i love the energy and the good feeling they give me, i feel great while taking them, lots of energy, GREAT, and i hope to find a new job since the one i have hasnt been working me full time like ive been wanting. ill just go back to taking a quarter strip a day and feel great while doing it. i love working and i cant wait to get back into my routine... anyway guys, just my 2 cents on the suboxone strips, plus some extra info. i like extra info lol so sorry to those it annoys. i like to and tend to ramble and am trying to get more involved in this site, as my 3 years of heavy drug use has given me a lot of knowledge and experience that i think i can really contribute to this site. actually, a lot of what i know i have gotten from this site, in the past 4-5 years!!!!

also i leave the strips under my tongue for about 25-30min, i shoot for 30 but sometimes the spit gets too much, then i grab a coca cola to wash down all the spit. i try to let the spit build up in my cheeks and keep it away from getting under my tongue and dilluting the medicine down. ive thought about spitting it out, as less than 10% is absorbed by your stomach/intestines, but i rethought that as i want to get every little bit into my body that i can.

damn it happened again i tried to finish my post and got automatically logged out and lost it all!!! fuck!!!!

captain.heroin, i love hearing your advice and look at you as a very knowledgable individual. and you have lots of experience and thats how i like to run off of, experience and if someone doesnt have actual experience i question that they even know what they're talking about. anyway.... on to my question

can you tell me HOW and WHY you shoot suboxone? i knew it was safe to shoot subutex...no naloxone. but i cant believe you put straight naloxone into your veins, lol. this is my worst nightmare. im sure if you ONLY use suboxone the buprenorphine isnt really affected by the small doses of naloxone. and im sure you inject rather than use sublingual as to use this expensive and valuable medication sparingly. am i correct? so i would like to know what dose you use. and also, do you ever use any other opiates? and how much of these do you use at a time? and how much in a day? how often do you dose suboxone and how much do you use? you get the idea of the kind of stuff i want to know. also, do you ever go a day or two without dosing anything? i do this on days i am able to lay in bed as to bring my tolerance down and/or keep it down!!! look forward to hearing from you captain.heroin.

 

[comatoserct]

can you tell me HOW and WHY you shoot suboxone? i knew it was safe to shoot subutex...no naloxone. but i cant believe you put straight naloxone into your veins, lol. this is my worst nightmare. im sure if you ONLY use suboxone the buprenorphine isnt really affected by the small doses of naloxone. and im sure you inject rather than use sublingual as to use this expensive and valuable medication sparingly. am i correct? so i would like to know what dose you use. and also, do you ever use any other opiates? and how much of these do you use at a time? and how much in a day? how often do you dose suboxone and how much do you use? you get the idea of the kind of stuff i want to know. also, do you ever go a day or two without dosing anything? i do this on days i am able to lay in bed as to bring my tolerance down and/or keep it down!!! look forward to hearing from you captain.heroin.

As is explained in the first page of the main bupe thread, the naloxone in suboxone doesn't serve a purpose, as buprenorphine is a very powerful opiate that binds to your opiate receptors very tightly. It's binding affinity is higher than that of naloxone, so it never reaches your brain. This is why a buprenorphine overdose cannot be overridden with a narcan shot. The only way the naloxone could possible be effective is when someone takes their initial first shot after being on other opiates. It could perhaps cause worse precipitated withdrawals than if taken sublingual.

Suboxone was created by Reckitt Benckiser as a way to patent bupe and make money off of it. They explained to professionals and doctors that the naloxone would make it abuse proof, and that subutex shouldn't be prescribed unless necessary. Even my sub doctor believes this.

I personally filter my strips with a micron filter in a bacteriostatic vial, which allows me to have a (mostly) safe solution in a sealed device that I can divvy out accurate doses with. I personally IV my suboxone because I have a previous needle habit from heroin and I want to take things one step at a time, as I believe getting off heroin completely is a pretty monumental change for me. I believe that over time I will start taking them sublingually, but for now, I enjoy the fact that IV can give me a precise dose, fast onset, and help me get the most out of my medication, as the bioavailability for IV is 98-100% and sublingual is ~30-40%

 

[mayunholdup]

So, now that the Suboxone Film has been out for a while is there an exact BA chart? I take 1 16MG dose daily and I've been on SM for almost two years now and I still manage to get a little buzz off of my dose. The longer I space it out, the more intense the buzz so I try to space it at least 24 hours, sometimes I skip a day which feels rather nice but I don't like doing that too often. Obviously, I take a rather large dose so I could probably only do two ROA which is sublingual and intrarectal. So, that's why I'm most interested in learning BA's of both methods.

Also, does anyone have any directions on the IR method? I've searched the thread but I haven't found an exact measurement system. From another forum, which I can't seem to find now I want to say they recommended 1CC of water per 8MG strip, does that right? I don't have an oral syringe so I assume an empty enema bottle would work? Also, should I just use regular, room temp water or could I use a room temp saline solution? I want to make sure that I do everything completely correct since I give my girlfriend my prescription every month and she gives me two a day. Since, when I first started sub I was taking them as prescribed, sometimes a little less but after a while, I started doubling up my dose and I couldn't stop, so at the end of the month I would go from 16MG daily all the way down to taking 2MG every other day. Sometimes, I run out 80 hours plus before my doctor's appointment and it just sucked. Sure, when I finally took the subs again it was like magic but I just don't want to go through that again so I just gave her my sub prescription and she gives me my two a day then hides the rest like a super ninja since I've never found them. So, I'm limited to my one dose a day and I don't want to mess that up so detailed instructions would be very much appreciated.

 

[Redd_loves_OC]

So I've got this problem...

The pill 8mg subs used to be one of my fav buzz's out there. Intra nasal 2-4mg at a time

and the high would last better part of 8 hours. Great buzz. Now Ive got these strips. I

just cant seem to find that sweet spot. Ive tried all different ROA's and multiple doses.

And the burning is so much worse up the nose. I mix with various amounts of water in

a modified oral syring, snort, and....almost nada. Yeah, I know they are for

maintianence and all but I WANT my buzz back. Suggestions?

PS. have not tried IV or smoking yet. Everyone says its safe to IV but no one has

commented on the possible euphoria I am looking for

Thanks guys, keep me off the H please!

 

[mayunholdup]

So I've got this problem...

The pill 8mg subs used to be one of my fav buzz's out there. Intra nasal 2-4mg at a time

and the high would last better part of 8 hours. Great buzz. Now Ive got these strips. I

just cant seem to find that sweet spot. Ive tried all different ROA's and multiple doses.

And the burning is so much worse up the nose. I mix with various amounts of water in

a modified oral syring, snort, and....almost nada. Yeah, I know they are for

maintianence and all but I WANT my buzz back. Suggestions?

PS. have not tried IV or smoking yet. Everyone says its safe to IV but no one has

commented on the possible euphoria I am looking for

Thanks guys, keep me off the H please!

First of all, smoking Suboxone would just be about the dumbest thing in the world. Secondly, if you want your buzz back, skip a day of subs. So, at the minimum go 48 hours without subs, the longer you wait it out, the better the sub will feel and it really isn't that hard to do. You can easily go 48 to 60 hours without sub without even feeling any noticeable W/Ds. The best thing to do on the day that you skip sub is keep yourself busy. Get out of the house, watch a movie, work out, chill at a friends house and smoke some weed. Before you know it, it will be time for bed. Your mind will breakdown and tell you that you need sub before your body does. If you start craving smoke another bowl or just try to keep your mind off of it and remind yourself the longer you wait, the much better the reward. I've been on sub maintenance for almost two years. I started off with the pills and took between 24 and 32 MG, got down to 16mg (What I'm still currently taking), then started abusing them and doubling up my dose. So, usually I would run out at least two days or so before my doctor's visit, the longest I went was 86 hours and near the end it started getting pretty close to unbearable. I was at the Doctor's forever, I got stuck in traffic on the way to the pharmacy, then I had to wait at the pharmacy forever. When I finally got my script I already had a dose under my tongue before I was out the door and let me tell you, I was super buzzed. Not nodding off, but a burst of energy, pure euphoria, that warm, fuzzy feeling. If I had a top ten list for best opiate highs, this would certainly make it. It was probably just as good, if not better as railing that first 80 of the day. So, that's it....That is the secret to getting a nice buzz if you're on a reasonably high dose of Suboxone, just skip a day or two.

If you want to get an even better buzz going is on the day you skipped double up your dose since you'll have an extra one left over anyways. Trust me, do that and you'll be feeling great all day long.

 

[sveets]

I would suggest just using a more recreational opiate. Ive been on subs for almost a year and even tho they are a wonder drug for helping me stay clean i would trade em all for a daily dose of oxy or heroin. I dont understad how people can use it strictly for recreational purposes, imo sub have ZERO recreational value. I have never felt high or even a slight buzz ONCE.

So I've got this problem...

The pill 8mg subs used to be one of my fav buzz's out there. Intra nasal 2-4mg at a time

and the high would last better part of 8 hours. Great buzz. Now Ive got these strips. I

just cant seem to find that sweet spot. Ive tried all different ROA's and multiple doses.

And the burning is so much worse up the nose. I mix with various amounts of water in

a modified oral syring, snort, and....almost nada. Yeah, I know they are for

maintianence and all but I WANT my buzz back. Suggestions?

PS. have not tried IV or smoking yet. Everyone says its safe to IV but no one has

commented on the possible euphoria I am looking for

Thanks guys, keep me off the H please!

 

[etard7007]

SERIOUS QUESTION.

I am now on subutex pills because the nolaxone in the suboxone films gave me wicked headaches and awful nausea. However, I was on the sub films for about a month before they switched me.

While on the strips, I started out injecting them. I was using micron filters. I want to be clear on this fact, that I always used a micron filter.

Anyway, I would first cotton filter and then proceed to push the solution through a micron filter.

After shooting so many doses into a vein I noticed that it would COMPLETELY harden and close up... I now have lost the two previously HUGE bulging veins in the crook of my left arm completely.

I have no idea how this has happened, especially since I used micron filters. Has this happened to anyone else?!?! I am noticing now that one of the veins are slowly opening up and getting less hard but still what happened?!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

SERIOUS QUESTION.

I am now on subutex pills because the nolaxone in the suboxone films gave me wicked headaches and awful nausea. However, I was on the sub films for about a month before they switched me.

While on the strips, I started out injecting them. I was using micron filters. I want to be clear on this fact, that I always used a micron filter.

Anyway, I would first cotton filter and then proceed to push the solution through a micron filter.

After shooting so many doses into a vein I noticed that it would COMPLETELY harden and close up... I now have lost the two previously HUGE bulging veins in the crook of my left arm completely.

I have no idea how this has happened, especially since I used micron filters. Has this happened to anyone else?!?! I am noticing now that one of the veins are slowly opening up and getting less hard but still what happened?!

Question:

what happened?!

Answer:

After shooting so many doses into a vein it would harden and close up

My guess is you weren't rotating injection areas correctly and had those as your favorite spot

 

[mayunholdup]

I would suggest just using a more recreational opiate. Ive been on subs for almost a year and even tho they are a wonder drug for helping me stay clean i would trade em all for a daily dose of oxy or heroin. I dont understad how people can use it strictly for recreational purposes, imo sub have ZERO recreational value. I have never felt high or even a slight buzz ONCE.

Everyone just has a different body chemistry I suppose, since I have been on subs for nearly two years and I take 16MG of the sub film once daily and they still give me a nice little buzz. Lately, before I take my subs I put a little bit of mouthwash under my tongue, and clear out the area any food or bacteria, allowing for better absorption. Then, I put one strip under each tongue with a little mouthwash since bupe dissolves wonderfully with alcohol. I also take 900 to 1200MG of St John's worst before my dose as well since I've read online it can increase potency, and It could be, but I also take 20-30MGs of generic IR adderall before my dose as well, I usually will snort half and pop the other half. I know there is no scientefic data supporting it but Adderall and Suboxone really seem to work well together, almost like the adderall prolongs the effects of the bupe. Before I was on full sub maintenance, I would take Subutext/Suboxone for recreation and it would really fuck me up. Yes, obviously oxy and H would hit me really, really hard at first but the sub hit me fairly hard at first too and had a much longer duration period. I would usually take 4-8 MG and one dose would keep me happy all day long. The same with all of my friends since they were fairly cheap...usually between 15-20 for one and one tablet would be good enough to get you high for 2-4 days versus spending the same amount of money on heroin which would be one dose, or hydrocodone which would only be a few 10 MG pills, or a low dose of oxy.

If I can ask, how many MGs are you on, what is your preferred ROA, what form do you take it in? Do you take sub tablets or film? Or do you take subutext?


@Redd_loves_OC

Sorry, I kind of misread your post. I thought you were on sub for maintenance and looking for a way to catch the occasional buzz.

 

[mayunholdup]

SERIOUS QUESTION.

I am now on subutex pills because the nolaxone in the suboxone films gave me wicked headaches and awful nausea. However, I was on the sub films for about a month before they switched me.

While on the strips, I started out injecting them. I was using micron filters. I want to be clear on this fact, that I always used a micron filter.

Anyway, I would first cotton filter and then proceed to push the solution through a micron filter.

After shooting so many doses into a vein I noticed that it would COMPLETELY harden and close up... I now have lost the two previously HUGE bulging veins in the crook of my left arm completely.

I have no idea how this has happened, especially since I used micron filters. Has this happened to anyone else?!?! I am noticing now that one of the veins are slowly opening up and getting less hard but still what happened?!

Exactly how much of it were you shooting up? I've read more than a few times online that you should never shoot up more than 2MG of the film at once, otherwise the water gets very viscous so the veins have a very hard time transporting it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

So, now that the Suboxone Film has been out for a while is there an exact BA chart? I take 1 16MG dose daily and I've been on SM for almost two years now and I still manage to get a little buzz off of my dose. The longer I space it out, the more intense the buzz so I try to space it at least 24 hours, sometimes I skip a day which feels rather nice but I don't like doing that too often. Obviously, I take a rather large dose so I could probably only do two ROA which is sublingual and intrarectal. So, that's why I'm most interested in learning BA's of both methods.

Also, does anyone have any directions on the IR method? I've searched the thread but I haven't found an exact measurement system. From another forum, which I can't seem to find now I want to say they recommended 1CC of water per 8MG strip, does that right? I don't have an oral syringe so I assume an empty enema bottle would work? Also, should I just use regular, room temp water or could I use a room temp saline solution? I want to make sure that I do everything completely correct since I give my girlfriend my prescription every month and she gives me two a day. Since, when I first started sub I was taking them as prescribed, sometimes a little less but after a while, I started doubling up my dose and I couldn't stop, so at the end of the month I would go from 16MG daily all the way down to taking 2MG every other day. Sometimes, I run out 80 hours plus before my doctor's appointment and it just sucked. Sure, when I finally took the subs again it was like magic but I just don't want to go through that again so I just gave her my sub prescription and she gives me my two a day then hides the rest like a super ninja since I've never found them. So, I'm limited to my one dose a day and I don't want to mess that up so detailed instructions would be very much appreciated.

The bioavailability stays the same no matter what the form of the medication is.

Have you read through the last link in my signature?​

 

[Captain.Heroin]

SERIOUS QUESTION.

I am now on subutex pills because the nolaxone in the suboxone films gave me wicked headaches and awful nausea. However, I was on the sub films for about a month before they switched me.

While on the strips, I started out injecting them. I was using micron filters. I want to be clear on this fact, that I always used a micron filter.

Anyway, I would first cotton filter and then proceed to push the solution through a micron filter.

After shooting so many doses into a vein I noticed that it would COMPLETELY harden and close up... I now have lost the two previously HUGE bulging veins in the crook of my left arm completely.

I have no idea how this has happened, especially since I used micron filters. Has this happened to anyone else?!?! I am noticing now that one of the veins are slowly opening up and getting less hard but still what happened?!

How many shots were you doing per day? Were you cycling your injection sites?

 

[etard7007]

^^ We'll the strange thing is... I've been injecting opiates, mainly oxymorphone, for a little over a year now and this never happened until I injected the sub film strips.

And the veins I used for the sub strips I had basically never shot into...

I have serious nerve compression damage in my right arm, which initially left it mostly paralyzed... after over a year of PT it is finally almost back to full functionality... because of this I could never inject into my left arm because my right hand was pretty much useless. This injury is what began my prescriptions to dilaudid and fentanyl and then opana IR and opana ER... for an entire year I always shot into my right arm and occasionally my ankles... because my right arm was so weak most of my veins on that arm were pretty much impossible to hit so I continuously shot into the same vein in the crook of my right arm... I know i should have rotated sites, although for an entire year that one vein never collapsed and always was easy to hit (I never reuse needles and have good technique)...

Anyway, after over a year of shooting pills (with micron filtering for the last 1/4 time) that vein never hardened or collapsed...

however, after only shooting basically 2 times into a vein with the strips the vein completely hardened up. the only times I ever shot into my left crook was RARELY when i was using with my friend and he hit it for me... right about the time I got on suboxone my right hand was strong enough to use for injection (although it is still difficult)... so my first dose of suboxone that i decided to inject i shot into a vein i hadn't touched in who knows how long... i shot into the other vein in my left crook, back into the first one and later i realized that they were both hardened and closed up.

this is really confusing me... so i should really advise that people reconsider injecting these strips, especially without micron filters...

 

[mayunholdup]

The bioavailability stays the same no matter what the form of the medication is.

Have you read through the last link in my signature?​

No, I didn't take a look at it till I read your reply since being and IV user just doesn't interest me anymore due to the fact I have literally the most hidden veins in the history of mankind. I've gotten lucky a few times and gotten them in only or two jabs but there have been other instances where I've really messed myself up. Even Medical Professionals have a hard time finding my veins. They almost never get it on the first attempt, usually between the second and third, sometimes even more than that so IVINg just isn't worth the hassle anymore...Unless I got my hands on some tar but I've clean for two years now so I'm not going back down that road.

I just wanted to know how much liquid I should use per a 8mg film so I can plug it. I've never tried it before and I'm very anxious to try a different method. I've read countless posts of people plugging the tablets but never one for the film.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^^ We'll the strange thing is... I've been injecting opiates, mainly oxymorphone, for a little over a year now and this never happened until I injected the sub film strips.

And the veins I used for the sub strips I had basically never shot into...

I have serious nerve compression damage in my right arm, which initially left it mostly paralyzed... after over a year of PT it is finally almost back to full functionality... because of this I could never inject into my left arm because my right hand was pretty much useless. This injury is what began my prescriptions to dilaudid and fentanyl and then opana IR and opana ER... for an entire year I always shot into my right arm and occasionally my ankles... because my right arm was so weak most of my veins on that arm were pretty much impossible to hit so I continuously shot into the same vein in the crook of my right arm... I know i should have rotated sites, although for an entire year that one vein never collapsed and always was easy to hit (I never reuse needles and have good technique)...

Anyway, after over a year of shooting pills (with micron filtering for the last 1/4 time) that vein never hardened or collapsed...

however, after only shooting basically 2 times into a vein with the strips the vein completely hardened up. the only times I ever shot into my left crook was RARELY when i was using with my friend and he hit it for me... right about the time I got on suboxone my right hand was strong enough to use for injection (although it is still difficult)... so my first dose of suboxone that i decided to inject i shot into a vein i hadn't touched in who knows how long... i shot into the other vein in my left crook, back into the first one and later i realized that they were both hardened and closed up.

this is really confusing me... so i should really advise that people reconsider injecting these strips, especially without micron filters...

It's a good idea to advise people not IV the film strips without micron filtersm as that is all around good advice.

I understand your concern; as I know what it is like to be unable to use an arm for IVing due to an injury. I think if you switch to micron filtering for IM use, and give your veins a break, it will help out considerably in healing your veins.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

No, I didn't take a look at it till I read your reply since being and IV user just doesn't interest me anymore due to the fact I have literally the most hidden veins in the history of mankind. I've gotten lucky a few times and gotten them in only or two jabs but there have been other instances where I've really messed myself up. Even Medical Professionals have a hard time finding my veins. They almost never get it on the first attempt, usually between the second and third, sometimes even more than that so IVINg just isn't worth the hassle anymore...Unless I got my hands on some tar but I've clean for two years now so I'm not going back down that road.

I just wanted to know how much liquid I should use per a 8mg film so I can plug it. I've never tried it before and I'm very anxious to try a different method. I've read countless posts of people plugging the tablets but never one for the film.

I would try plugging 2mg or less at first to gauge your tolerance.

You can easily fit 8mg into 1mL of water (maximum solubility is around 18mg/ml).

 

[DeLee]

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