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New RCs in the UK Ver. 4: Still disappointed?

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By the sounds of what I've reda thats becuase its a brand name and so vendors are selling different chemicals under the "B2" banner IMO RCs are enough of a risk but if the vendor osnt prepared to name the claimed active substance I wouldnt touch the stuff
 
Headshops are terrible for that, recently went into one who used to be really big for mephedrone. Asked what powders they had any they were able to show some fancy packets but when I asked if they could tell me the contents they couldn't even tell me one ingredient!
 
I had a conversation in a headshop like this
Me- That "China White", is that desmethyltramadol?
Him- No
Me- Do you know what's in it?
Him- Yes
Me- You're not going to tell me though, are you?
Him- No
Me- Would you tell me even if I guessed right?
Him- No
Me- Have I guessed right?
Him- No.

I left.
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Thanks for the info but we don't wanna make it too easy for them to "cover" life's little pleasures!
If they're reading this board, they know what's legal and what people are using. I have given them no information about the law that they could not have gained themselves with 2 minutes and Google (how do you think I got the information?).
 
If they're reading this board, they know what's legal and what people are using. I have given them no information about the law that they could not have gained themselves with 2 minutes and Google (how do you think I got the information?).

fair enough. All I meant was... the less regurgitated information the better!
 
I had a conversation in a headshop like this
Me- That "China White", is that desmethyltramadol?
Him- No
Me- Do you know what's in it?
Him- Yes
Me- You're not going to tell me though, are you?
Him- No
Me- Would you tell me even if I guessed right?
Him- No
Me- Have I guessed right?
Him- No.

I left.
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I believe they can get into a bit of trouble when advising people on "legal highs". Last time I went into one into Paradox, he told me he can not tell me a single thing, not even which sells the best, and then when we decided on something, he said "it makes your nose smell nice does this air freshener." Was pretty jokes, but the stuff had no effect so... What a cunt.
 
fair enough. All I meant was... the less regurgitated information the better!
Sorry mate, didn't mean to bother you with my spewing.
I believe they can get into a bit of trouble when advising people on "legal highs". Last time I went into one into Paradox, he told me he can not tell me a single thing, not even which sells the best, and then when we decided on something, he said "it makes your nose smell nice does this air freshener." Was pretty jokes, but the stuff had no effect so... What a cunt.
These guys have no such concerns, when meph was legal they sold it with the disclaimer "Not for human consumption as this may get you really high". Seriously.
 
Been offered a free sample of camfetamine about 5 months after I asked for it... think i'll leave it given the shoddy reports.
 
Are people here rating b2 then? I was severely disappointed with it when I tried it, but maybe I just didn't dose high enough (sticking to meph type doses). Seemingly it needs 300 - 400mg bombs... I may give it another shot at some point.
 
I found it to be better insufflated, although I never actually tried bombing it. In the name of HR though it might be better to not abuse it too much, 300-400mg bombs are pretty large for an unknown chemical.


Also on the note of the smoking blends discussion, in particular AM-694, I found the thread in ADD about the possible dangers. vecktor who seems to know his stuff says this.

it seems possible that the novel indole cannabinoid AM-694 is finding its way into smoking blends and also because it is being sold as an RC into people.
this is a potentially dangerous development.

220px-AM-694-2D-skeletal.svg.png


this is why.
The metabolism of all indole cannabinoids involves loss of the indole N substituent, in the case of JWH 018 this is a pretty harmless alkyl chain. However in the case of AM-694 the N-substituent is a terminal fluoro alkyl, (omega fluoro pentyl) most terminal alkyl fluorides are exceptionally toxic as they metabolise to fluoroacetic acid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoroacetate

w fluoroalcohols are also highly toxic 4-fluorobutanol has an LD50 in mice of 0.9mg/kg which makes it as toxic as some war gases.

http://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ppv/RPViewDoc?issn=1480-3291&volume=35&issue=2&startPage=141
http://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ppv/RPViewDoc?issn=1480-3291&volume=34&issue=11&startPage=1532

whilst it is highly unlikely that sufficient fluoroacetic acid will be created by the metabolism of AM-694 to kill the consumer but fluoroacetate is dangerous even in sub lethal doses as it interferes with the generation of energy by cells. Fluoroacetate is used to kill vermin. In fact it completely screws up the Krebs cycle. AM-694 would effectively deliver this dose of fluoroacetate to the brain which is the most energy sensitive organ in the body. Repeated sub lethal exposures to fluoroacetate in animals have been linked to increased mortality liver damage, brain damage and damage to the reproductive organs. Fluoroacetate is regarded as a cumulative poison.

Do not ingest this AM-694 compound,

Until proper toxicological studies are available, it should be used as a research ligand for in- vitro use only.
 
^If you read the next post in that thread, an alkyl fluoride chain with an even number of carbon atoms is metabolised to the fluoracetic nasty, but one with an odd number (such as the one on the compound we're talking about), will be metabolised to a much less toxic compound. But, as has been said, you take your life in your hands with these things.
 
^If you read the next post in that thread, an alkyl fluoride chain with an even number of carbon atoms is metabolised to the fluoracetic nasty, but one with an odd number (such as the one on the compound we're talking about), will be metabolised to a much less toxic compound. But, as has been said, you take your life in your hands with these things.

The exact wording is
vecktor said:
substantially non toxic
but yes, still guinea pig material.
 
I never once ingested a synthetic cannabinoid and I've been doing RCs of all types heavily for the past six years, why bother when you can grow so main strains of cannabis, which is natural and relatively harmless, hell if there was a ketamine tree you know I'd have that in my garden
 
I never once ingested a synthetic cannabinoid and I've been doing RCs of all types heavily for the past six years, why bother when you can grow so main strains of cannabis, which is natural and relatively harmless, hell if there was a ketamine tree you know I'd have that in my garden

All good if you have the "safe" environment and skills, equipment etc to grow yer own. Ideal really, but we all don't do it for many, many reasons to boringly list here.

Anyhoo toying with synthetic cannaboids is interesting, especially if your in a mood to compare / contrast. Knowt wrong with a lil experimation eh. Personally, to date I've found all the synthetics I've tried cold and somewhat lacking - fine enough if all you want is to get stonned / fucked up, but sadly lacking in all those warm, loving, emotive, organic stonner benefits us tokers all love lol
 
Are people here rating b2 then? I was severely disappointed with it when I tried it, but maybe I just didn't dose high enough (sticking to meph type doses). Seemingly it needs 300 - 400mg bombs... I may give it another shot at some point.

The various batches are pumping out various responses. I had never tried it until their latest batch (10/2011), and was doing small amounts to slowly get to grips with it; 2 small lines and I could feel it coming on nicely, so I racked up and sniffed 2 larger lines (maybe 50mg each), and this shit comes on slow... Fuck me, I was wankered, and it kept going. Definitely feels like 'that old mistress'. 9/10 from me.

After being awake two days and drinking nothing but energy drinks & 2g B2, I thought it would be a cool idea to plant down 2 125/150mg lines and inhale them like I was drowning and they were gasps of fresh air. A couple of short minutes later I thought I was OD'ing, everything just seemed 'wrong', couldn't think, couldn't remember, no idea of 'self', vision blurred, strong as fuck nystagmus, ket-like body high, vicious bruxism, & so I just rolled onto my side so if I passed out and vomited I wouldn't choke on it. Was a deserved slap in the face not to fuck about lacking any due care with RC's, or drugs altogether for that matter.
 
All good if you have the "safe" environment and skills, equipment etc to grow yer own. Ideal really, but we all don't do it for many, many reasons to boringly list here.

Anyhoo toying with synthetic cannaboids is interesting, especially if your in a mood to compare / contrast. Knowt wrong with a lil experimation eh. Personally, to date I've found all the synthetics I've tried cold and somewhat lacking - fine enough if all you want is to get stonned / fucked up, but sadly lacking in all those warm, loving, emotive, organic stonner benefits us tokers all love lol

Hey don't get me wrong I wasn't judging, I'm no position to do so, I've been guinea pigging myself with pretty much every RC stims and psychs I can get my hands on. For instance I like 4-Ho-Met a lot better than a mushroom experience and I can't be bothered growing the shrooms, so really I made a stupid comment before. zorry
 
^That's like the only thing missing. It shits all over other replacements & street meph.

I was on it for a big stretch the other night, and when it gets to the mental fatigue headfuck state, shit is hilarious - obviously not at the time. I was being attacked by a spider hanging from the middle of my ceiling... I was frantically scouring my room for something to kill this beast with, then I moved closer to my wall and it vanished! I was panicking thinking it was under my covers waiting to yank my sack off, then started looking around on my bed for it, then there it was again, hanging in the same place! Motherfucker! ...After several minutes of this, I realise it's only disappearing at an angle... This 'spider' is a fucking small hole in my wall. How I saw this as a spider in the middle of my room, in my face, I just don't know.

Then when I decided to go to sleep, I thought I was in my living room, and started having a full on conscious conversation with someone in the kitchen... It's like 2am and I'm alone in my bed, in the dark.

Shadow people sat on my bed trying to get my attention to stop me from fapping an shit. Top quality humour.
 
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