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New RCs in the UK Ver. 4: Still disappointed?

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knockando said:
Without getting into vendor talk, there is a statement "out there" that the dopamine transporter binding affinity (my terminology is likely off) of ethylphenidate is a fraction of that of methylphenidate, yet the numbers on wikipedia suggest to me that the opposite is the case. But I don't know how to interpret these numbers. Bigger affinity values mean "lower affinity"?
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I've also found this Ethylphenidate thread, which has equally mixed anecdotal reports ranging from 'pretty darn good' to 'pretty darn shit'. There seems to be a general concurrence that either way, the comedown will be very unpleasant if you push it. A lot of comparing to cocaine as well.

Aside from the comedown (which really shouldn't be a surprise/big deal for any seasoned user), I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I'll be posting my experience with ethylphenidate once it comes into my possession.
 
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rockstar 69 said:
I've just seen the results of a batch of B2 being tested. The contents were around 90% 4-MMC and some possible NRG-1 in there. Explains why people are enjoying it, aswell as the psychosis horror stories.
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Where did you get these results? One of my mates was gonna get a GCMS but not sure if he's got the results back yet.
 
Thanks Vader.

JSPete said:
I've also found this Ethylphenidate thread, which has equally mixed anecdotal reports ranging from 'pretty darn good' to 'pretty darn shit'. There seems to be a general concurrence that either way, the comedown will be very unpleasant if you push it. A lot of comparing to cocaine as well.

Aside from the comedown (which really shouldn't be a surprise/big deal for any seasoned user), I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I'll be posting my experience with ethylphenidate once it comes into my possession.
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It's weird, from my layman's reading, on paper it just sounds like a less potent Methylphenidate but is apparently more euphoric, I don't really understand that. Anyway I have some on the way so will report too as soon as I get a chance.
 
Where did you get these results? One of my mates was gonna get a GCMS but not sure if he's got the results back yet.
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From a friend who sells it online. Seems pretty sketchy, 4-MMC is bad enough for the paranoia/psychosis, nevermind mixing it with that poison.
 
So B2 basically consists of two class B drugs, one of which (naphyrone) is a suspected carcinogen. Why would anyone put naphyrone in anything? The people who make the stuff must have had a large, unsellable quantity sitting around from nearly two years ago when naphyrone first appeared as a mephedrone replacement. Good old shady legal high scene...
 
rockstar 69 said:
Can anyone tell me what is this; hydroxylimine (for which one of the synonyms is 2-Chlorophenyl-1-hydroxy-1-cyclopentyl N-methyl ketamine? I thought at first it's the same thing as N-ethylnorketamine but after reading it it's not. Anyone have any idea on what it would be like?
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I researched this one a while back. It's a precursor for ketamine. I think it requires being boiled in activated charcoal but i can't quite remember the exact conditions. Its a rather neat way around smuggling it around the world i think!

As for B2

I really don't think B2 is mephedrone. There is already a massive black market for that. Far more likely its 4-mec and napthyrone. It feels like there is a hint of something like PV in there. Horrible, edgy energy at the end of a sesh.

Take something like 4-MEC which lacks the dopaminergic push of 4-MMC and add a dopamine reuptake inhibitor like MDPV (or in this case napthyrone). Better living through biochemistry... or something like that. AFAIK the recent analysis show only a 90% match to 4-MMC.
 
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I received a gram of Ethylphenidate today. It has a very strange consistency, almost slushy, like snow. Here's a photo (sorry for the blurriness):

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Anyway I insufflated 30mg just before 2pm, just to test the waters and have a little perk up since I've got a busy evening ahead of me.

I noticed the effects instantly. Sharpening of senses, quickening of thoughts etc. It felt good, and the good feelings continued to build. By 2.05pm I was really bouncing off the walls. This stuff is definitely euphoric for me. Just insufflated a further 30mg, ohh what a lovely surprise this is. Reminds me of mephedrone in many ways - The burn in the nose, the instant perk up, the steady build of stimulant euphoria. I'm sure the crash will be much like mephedrone as well.

Edit: I've plateaued. Overall the euphoria is altogether less pronounced and giddy than mephedrone. I'm not sure where I'd place this one. A bit like methiopropamine but much cleaner. Not a lot like camfetamine...I'd say it's more reminiscent of MDPV. I've read of others likening it to cocaine and amphetamine. This is definitely a new type of high for me. High abuse potential for sure, especially since it's relatively inexpensive & accessible.
 
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From what I can gather, the peak effects from insufflation seem to last about 30-60 minutes. The initial euphoria is impressive and strong, but it is fleeting. Within an hour it subsides into a pleasant, and noticeably altered, state of mind. Stimulation pushing on nicely. The usual characteristics of stimulants, such as fast heartbeat (resting heart rate is 135bpm), dry mouth, perspiration, increase in frequancy of motor tics (although I'm naturally twitchy) and easy distraction are all present. There's quite a persuasive urge to redose to revisit the strength of the initial euphoria. I'm holding back for now since I have to attend an exhibition in an hour, but I'm looking forwards to coming back and having some more. Exhibition finishes at 8pm, so I'll keep a note of when the effects wear off and how severe the crash is from 60mg insufflated.

I'm wondering, insufflation is by no means the most effective ROA (in fact it's usually pretty ineffective). I hear people get better results from oral and sublingual administration. Plugging, smoking and IVing must be more effective still. If I'm finding insufflation rushy and moreish, I can only imagine the intensity of the rush/redose cycle for more effective/shorter acting ROAs. Ethylphenidate might be a candidate for the 'just don't go there' class of stimulants.

Edit: Ran out of Ethylphenidate after 24 hours. Oh how I crashed. Feeling a lot perkier now that I've had plenty to eat, but man, this drug is hopelessly fiendish. It's too good...I'm certainly not planning on buying it again for a while.
 
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Mailmonkey said:
A 90% match means it's probably not mephedrone.
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With ther other 10% most likely being the difference between 4-MMC & 4-MEC.
So judging by above posts, B2 is 4-MEC + Naphyrone. A nastier, more psychotic version of my 2009 D.O.C., MDPV + 4-MMC, or as Treacle or Evad aptly named it "homeless addict powder".
 
rockstar 69 said:
From a friend who sells it online. Seems pretty sketchy, 4-MMC is bad enough for the paranoia/psychosis, nevermind mixing it with that poison.
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Was this a **snippity**? If we're talking about the same person (and even if we're not), I had been told it was 70% MMC and the rest a mixture of 4 different drugs. Even so, I don't think he had got a proper analysis done yet.
 
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slopoke said:
I'm all goo thanks bare_head. Bit out of the loop these days and busy with work etc/ Just trying to find out what the deal is with these new Rc's as i'm planning a crimbo mad one!
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ahhhh good man, same with me i been away from the scene/loop/madness for a long time now just grinding poker really, aint heard of pentedrone tbh but be careful as some saying as low as 7-15mg is enough and only few are saying its near the 100mg mark :\ have a good one :)
 
Thanks for the info on Ethylphenidate JSPete. You make it sound a hell of a lot better & more interesting than the website i saw it on did ! I took the website blurb to mean that Ethylphenidate is about 1/4 to 1/3 'as good as' Ritalin, which didnt sound all that impressive tbh and as it seemed like it was just another camfetamine/mpa i wasnt much interested. But might at least try a small sample now....
 
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Thanks for the info on Ethylphenidate JSPete. You make it sound a hell of a lot better & more interesting than the website i saw it on did ! I took the website blurb to mean that Ethylphenidate is about 1/4 to 1/3 'as good as' Ritalin, which didnt sound all that impressive tbh and as it seemed like it was just another camfetamine/mpa i wasnt much interested. But might at least try a small sample now....
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There's a very good report here.
Very, very interested in this now, would love it if anyone who's tried it were to shoot me a wee PM fer a chat :)
 
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