RCs New RC-Benzos that Work as Prodrugs for Already Existing Ones (Clonazafone, Diclazafone, etc.)

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

oh wow 100 mg DOx!! One time I took DOM and 2 days later found myself very tired of tripping. 1-3 mg probably! lol

 

[Working_Class]

(2:00 pm) Jumped in to 1 mg of Rilmazafone about 15 mins ago with another 2 mg to add in if I feel like it after the 1H mark.

I haven't eaten anything yet today and had 2 cups of coffee. Just about to smoke my first joint of the day and do house work. Also have a potential buyer for a vehicle I'm selling so it should be a fairly productive day.

First impression is the bitter / odd taste on the blotter, I usually take that as a good sign. Let's see where it goes.

55 mins in, blood pressure is 114/75 RHR 90. Pressure is about 10 pts lower on diastolic and systolic than usual, RHR after blazing is usually closer to 100 / 110 so those are some measurable changes. Feel pretty relaxed and clear headed overall.

(3:00 pm) Redose 1 more mg sublingually and start chores / make meal

(3:51 pm) Finish eating berries and oatmeal, feel like being productive, cleaned kitchen, next odds and soda. Generally very relaxed, ready to encounter the potential buyer. Feel like the last 3 mg should get taken if the experience stays this mellow just to reach the full daily allotment.

I got 100 mg, so 33 doses at 3$ a pop has a nice ring to it. Trying to force it into a recreational sort of zone seems a waste given that this substance is a very geared down anxiolytic. Might as well see how the pro diazepam lends it'self to a little more recreational feel during the next experiment.

Also looking for a few high strength (< 1 mg active threshold) benzos to keep in the collection for posterity and emergencies.

(5:00 pm) Feels about peaked here, noticeable anxiolytic effect, not sloppy, very clear headed. From here it's just paying attention to how things wind down.

( 7:00 pm) Greed and relative comparison to a typical Benzo experience forced my hand. Redose another 2 mg for a total of 5. Head to the gym for mobility / core and sauna day


(9:30 pm, ~7.5 hrs in. Doses 1 mg each hr for 3 hrs + 2 mg at 5 hrs for total of 5 mg over 5 hrs)

The gym was a productive choice. I was feeling lethargic from lack of physical stimulation at home, took care of all the ranges that need work, did the tendon rehab work and finished with copenhaggens and med ball throws with deficit suitcase deadlifts, and one round of sauna for 15 mins.

There's not much to report from here other than the activity was invigorating, med to low energy so not my 100% effort or intensity, but for a mobility focused recovery day, productive and satisfying.

A few more chores and it's off to bed, this will be a test as I have had a fair bit of trouble getting to sleep for the last few days and I have a first aid course in the morning. If I can be sleeping around 11, that would be perfect.


*next day at 6:30 AM (16:28 since first ingestion). I had a good sleep, and waking up was not impossible.

I used the half life calculator to see how much drug should be left in my system and it's approximately the equivalent of 2 mg floating around in my blood at about 16 and a half hrs in.

I feel a little groggy but fine otherwise, it's been a long time since I got up this early. Need practice. All in all, this is gentle landing gear that seems save and versatile enough to be able to stock up without worry of abusing the shit since it's really not that "in your face". Perfect for the landing gear kit

 

[thurston]

Interesting post and the term "pro-drug" which I haven't heard- is appears to seem quite similar to a "precursor" - that when it metabolizes in the body it changes the compound structure. Which may be similar to steroid precursor stuff (muscle building types) Thus, allows us "commoners" to acquire them without the worries of "torture nd prosecution" from our ruling class bastards and bitches.. But back to the OP's post, I'd have to guess things may very in obtaining them in different countries though. And the actual potency in comparison to the ones we already know about - that exist in the Big Pharma Mafia..I mean Industry.

In regards to the benzo family and it's effects, I have tried almost all of the popular ones here in the United States of Slaves...i mean AmeriKa'..and never experienced any real euphoria. My "buzz" from them is really no buzz at all. I'm a hyped up guy, lots of energy, a racy mind. You've probably seen those types of people as they appear to be on speed or some upper. (excuse the term "upper" I'm an old guy, "a stupid boomer" as someone here recently posted that, and btw, thanks man ,<note eye roll>) That's a completely separate discussion though, as I really dislike being put into the "boomer box" and its snarky, disrespectful insinuation.

Anyway fkn way, benzos are my magic bullets, esp, clonazapam (sorry, I call them k-pins (short for klonopin, boomer talk ) and 2nd magic bullets are Valiums (us idiot boomers call them V's) They slow my racing mind down and I feel as though I can fiannly take a big sigh and as if a 100 pound weight comes off my shoulders. Bu what I try to tell other people what benzos do for me is that they make me feel "normal." Since they basically just slow me down (and my world) I can think clearer and better and not feel so overwhelmed, over-stimulated with life in general.

Yes, how I am (from a medical diagnosis) falls into a lot of categories as I've been through the ringer of docs, specialist, shrinks, etc. I've had these docs put me all over the place with dx's like, ADD/ADHD, OCD, somewhere on the Autistic/Aspergers spectrum, and more. I'm 66, hitting 67 in June...so I've been this way since my early teenage days, maybe sooner. The other benzos are not helpful for me at all, esp. Xanxax and Ambien which many people seem to love. I hate them, lol. I'll skip the details why i dont like them as this post has dragged on further than I wanted it to. Plus every doc I saw had me try just about any drug known to man in attempts to help me. Final Summary: Clonazapam and Diazapam. That's it. For those who me here (and my story) my doc cut me off my k-pin script as she (out of the blue) decided she no longer wanted to script it as I also take oxycodone (5mg 3x a day) The risk of ODing being the reason why the cut-off. Although the concerns from her and the contraindications involving oxy and benzo is a reality, I get it. BUT! for 6+ years I have been on the same dosages without any problems. I still have y oxy script but I am forced to search elsewhere to get either clonazapam or valium. I'm trying to do it through another doc and just be totally honest and upfront with them. I'm also searching other ways to get them.

Bottom line: I have two drugs that work for me. I've been through a shitload of docs. I tried everything possible, pharma, cannabis, ketamine, microdosing mushrooms, herbs, etc etc. I DON"T WANY ANYTHING ELSE. (maybe that's a part of being a "Boomer"...stubborness) LOL. So my search will continue until I find what I want (K-pins or V's). And I have to careful that I don't get red flagged for doctor hopping or appearing like a junkie. And also have to be careful if I go to the streets or online.

So yes, this "pro-drug" thing- possibly same meaning as "pre-cursor" option may be a good avenue to explore. Thanks to OP for the post, I hope it stays up and we can continue the discussion on it.

I have unending intrusive thoughts and music playing in my head all the time and benzos can turn it off. I have a script for kpins but I limit myself for about 5 a month so I don't get addicted, the rest go in a stash in the cabinet in case I ever get cut off or there are shortages. It's so nice when I can filter all that shit out.

 

[Working_Class]

Anyone come across Mexazolam? Melex is the brand name.
It's a japanese Benzodiazepine.

The Japanese make nice downers.

Etizolam and Ralmazafone, now this thing.

Even Honokiol is a Japanese anxiolytic I'm pretty sure

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Wait do you mean it is the same drug as etizolam -- not correct. You're supplier is being safe; I am not reading that it is a prodrug. (but that is a common theme from japanese benzos). Same metabolites as etizolam?

Question!! I would appreciate if someone answered because what I got is "Still legal" but people seem to be implying otherwise with analogs such as bromazolam (assuming your state didn't ban it). Now my understanding is that it COULD be tried under the analog act as being similar to one of the benzos they made sched 1 --- However (Correct me if the law has changed) the analog act does not pertain to sched 4 drugs (benzos in general); which I feel like is a way more apt placement.

So lets say phenazolam/bromazolam kind of a grey area still? Is that True, did I miss something? Anyone (that can be cited or anectdotal) ever get hit with the analog act ordering an unscheduled benzo to the US that is legal to possess. (That wasn't puttin it into bars or selling it around etc)

just based on the order? (as I get older I am willing to take less risks, wahh)

 

[pcplease]

does it have any activity before metabolization??

it may also be something like that Rx med derived from, 3-oh-phenazepam, which is 100% a prodrug- just not *entirely* a prodrug. for whatever reason, th rapidly released it and caused little-no disruption in REM sleep vs 3-oh-phenazepam itself.

diazepam is a prodrug for sooo many benzos in varying amounts, and would seem crazy to label that one a "prodrug". it is just part of such a long acting benzo. diclaz i believe major metabolite was delorazepam and lorazepam, hopefully this one is as therapeutic

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

No it is not the same drug as Etizolam. I meant I bought Etizolam thinking it was Etizolam but I got no effects from them no matter how many pills I took.

I found on one website that Mexazolam is metabolized to the active metabolites chloronordiazepam and chloroxazepam.

I asked my supplier if mexazolam is a prodrug and he said no but according to that website it is a prodrug.

it is neither an analog or RC, it is a Benzodiazepine.

I see it is Sched 4 in CA on the mexazolam wiki but not sched 4 US? That would mean legal to order and possess but not consume correct?

*edit* I understand you are not a lawyer and nothing you say is legal advice and I am totally liable for any decisions I make. (just to be clear)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

You don't consume it! You use it for research. Find a kids pill in they room and you run them both through re-agent to find out what kind of madness your child is into. It is all for the children of course!

Personally I just throw mine away -- the research is to see if the vendor is legit or not. Reagent test -- Flush. That is what I am sticking too. Personally I don't like getting them in pill form as that implies consumption immediately.

So they would have to literally catch you ingesting it or selling it is my understanding? Or stretch things as far as saying "that is an analog of one of the 'big five'.

Sounds to me like a decent lawyer would be able to argue that it was totally legal to possess and unless caught ingesting or selling -- why you have it is not really there beeswax Get it sent anonymously that is like 3 degrees of problems for prosecution I would think they would consider heavily before pushing.

I know in the old days having it labeled and the words "not for human consumption" went along ways idk about anymore.

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

You don't consume it! You use it for research. Find a kids pill in they room and you run them both through re-agent to find out what kind of madness your child is into. It is all for the children of course!

Personally I just throw mine away -- the research is to see if the vendor is legit or not. Reagent test -- Flush. That is what I am sticking too. Personally I don't like getting them in pill form as that implies consumption immediately.

So they would have to literally catch you ingesting it or selling it is my understanding? Or stretch things as far as saying "that is an analog of one of the 'big five'.

Sounds to me like a decent lawyer would be able to argue that it was totally legal to possess and unless caught ingesting or selling -- why you have it is not really there beeswax Get it sent anonymously that is like 3 degrees of problems for prosecution I would think they would consider heavily before pushing.

I know in the old days having it labeled and the words "not for human consumption" went along ways idk about anymore.

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

it is not legal to consume. If you choose to not listen and someone sees you consuming or worse selling; is illegal af again.

how about it is legal until you get caught consuming it. Legal to possess, not consume. basically dont buy a pill press sell em off and expect to go 'its legal' at court.

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

it is not legal to consume. If you choose to not listen and someone sees you consuming or worse selling; is illegal af again.

how about it is legal until you get caught consuming it. Legal to possess, not consume. basically dont buy a pill press sell em off and expect to go 'its legal' at court.

I see.
How much for a pill press though? In the hundred thousands?

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

Edit: not sure what happened

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I would have no idea as that is how you get arrested --- Do not do that is what I was saying. I am not sure what you are misunderstanding but I choose to disengage and recommend against you playing around with such compounds until you have a thorough understanding of everything.

 

[Esperighanto]

I see.
How much for a pill press though? In the hundred thousands?

Not only is it outside of anyone's financial reach reasonably, but it's incredibly difficult to do successfully in the first place, let alone safely in any way. Check out some textbooks on the topic of "pharmaceuticaul compounding" and try to get licensed in sterile compounding if you want to figure out how to really approach this in a safe and reasonable way.

BL is also not the place to discuss these things.

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

Not only is it outside of anyone's financial reach reasonably, but it's incredibly difficult to do successfully in the first place, let alone safely in any way. Check out some textbooks on the topic of "pharmaceuticaul compounding" and try to get licensed in sterile compounding if you want to figure out how to really approach this in a safe and reasonable way.

BL is also not the place to discuss these things.

I know BL is not the place to discuss these things iwas just wondering sorry if I broke any rules

 

[Esperighanto]

I know BL is not the place to discuss these things iwas just wondering sorry if I broke any rules

It's all good, we just try to keep BL a place that won't get targeted by law enforcement, the whole goal here is harm reduction. I appreciate your acknowledgement that it's unwise to talk about pressing things here, my biggest concern honestly is an unwitting 16 year old trying to press things and accidentally leading ot an overdose, personally. I can't imagine the guilt that would put on somebody, accidentally distributing a hot pressie and leading to injury or death, you know?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Not only is it outside of anyone's financial reach reasonably, but it's incredibly difficult to do successfully in the first place, let alone safely in any way. Check out some textbooks on the topic of "pharmaceuticaul compounding" and try to get licensed in sterile compounding if you want to figure out how to really approach this in a safe and reasonable way.

BL is also not the place to discuss these things.

thank you for explaining why I disengaged I felt like a dick lol--- I honestly have never heard of mexazolam but if it is legal to possess and order than it is legal to possess and order. What you do past that point none of us want to know. (I mean leave a trip report if you want but we aren't trying to help cause you a legal problem)

Lets play this out -- Hypothetically you get a pill press -- I dont know what you would play this off as but etizolam, sched 1 uffed so don't do that. Once you put them in a pill press it is pretty tough to argue M&D at least consumption was not the intent. (Kind of why I don't feel comfortable ordering LEGAL TALBLETS and prefer powder; lots of powders you don't consume (logically) not so many tablets). So you get this mexazolam and press it into pills, now your town is flooded with w/e you say it is suppose to be -- someone gets popped that pill gets analyzed (If they get a lawyer worth a damn) and they find out SOMEONE is supplying mexazolam. I hope you good with computers and covered your hypothetical ass or this sounds like big trouble.

Even if you nailed it order wise --- how long you thing the fiends are gunna hold out before flippin your name for a fix under the table. (Suprise cops brea laws too!)

If you were to order such a powder you tell noone put it deep a drawer and make sure you have a good mg scale and real good self disclipline with your research so it affects NOONE ELSE.

 

[Dextro .45]

Diclazepam (2-Chloro Diazepam) was synthasized by the same polish chemist Leo who made Librium, Valium, Klonopin etc.

Diclazepam has 3 active benzodiazepine metabolites that are licensed …the main being Delorazepam licensed in Italy and Lorazepam (Ativan)

Diclazepam >Delorazepam>>Lorazepam (Ativan) Amazing Loooong acting anxiolytic benzodiazepines


Avizafone (Pro-Diazepam) is simply AMAZING. A water soluble, rapid acting prodrug compound once IM injection into the bloodstream frees the active API ….genuine Diazepam (Valium)

Diazepam (Valium) 10mg = Avizafone 22.5mg

Avizafone reaching C-Max in 0.7h —— Diazepam reaching C-Max in 1.5h …..similar AUC although Avizafone has slightly higher levels in bloodstream much faster.

I take Avizafone 60mg (light yellow powder with characteristic odour) in small glass vial with aluminum screw cap…..add 1/4 ml of hot water to dissolve, shake and draw up in 1ml syringe…..IM injection into shoulder and onset creeps in rapidly in 10-15min …..in 30-45min I melt into the couch with a pleasant warm muscle relaxant effect with robust anxiolytic properties

Simply AMAZING compound. Avizafone (Pro-Diazepam). Simply AMAZING water soluble rapid acting Valium

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

melt into the couch

Fuk yea

 

[pcplease]

has anyone tried IN?? i may get a little to see for myself. i worry about (re)introducing needles into my habits for the obvious reasons. i have a few recreational novel ones on hand but diazepam is excellent. with its relatively high dose, if IN works could be done reasonably safely. +-5mg of this compound with my permatolerance would not be catastrophic